On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

In article 7405c7ce-23d4-4947-ba66-
,
says...

On Oct 14, 10:32*pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/14/11 9:06 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:

Yes, I said it: Obama is a racist. As the white, conservative mother
of black/Mexican/white children, I know a racist when I hear one.

You had a sex change operation?

*snerk


Sure explains a lot!

I wish there was a way to explain your cowardice.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
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On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do... snerk

In article ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do... snerk

Sorry, unlike you, I see good and bad on both sides of the fence.

On 10/16/2011 9:41 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do...snerk

Sorry, unlike you, I see good and bad on both sides of the fence.

Right.. rotflmao!

On 10/16/2011 2:09 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

So JPS throws his hands up and casts his vote for status quo.

In article ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 9:41 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do...snerk

Sorry, unlike you, I see good and bad on both sides of the fence.

Right.. rotflmao!

Prove me wrong.

On 10/16/2011 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 9:41 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do...snerk

Sorry, unlike you, I see good and bad on both sides of the fence.

Right.. rotflmao!

Prove me wrong.

Why, I am a liar, remember?

On 16/10/2011 6:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Hey, lefty liberal fleabaggers want to discard conservative values of
rationality, logic and integrity but bitch when reality smacks them in
the face. Reality always wins, even if they are fleabaggers.

Fact is those with discipline, drive, self motivations go-getters are
going to get ahead and the lazy undisciplined nothing to offer types
larders are going to fall behind.

The gap is going to get worse as fleabaggers worship and vote for big
fat pandering expensive government. Fleabaggers are in denial of the
raw fact, government can solve the problem because government is the
problem. Fleabaggers are so stupid, they worship what causes their grief.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude