On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

On 10/16/2011 2:09 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

So JPS throws his hands up and casts his vote for status quo.

On 16/10/2011 12:09 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.


Yep, we reward deception, using taxes for theft, worship crooked
politicians and persecute the productive, the fleabagger way.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

Politicians don't want to change it, too much back door money and favors
come their way. Lobby group is about government supported bribery.

On way is to make lobby groups illegal. Then replace the funding via
the tax cost. The first $100 in taxes, you vote to a politician.
Government holds the money and politicians can get the money on receipts
of legitimate campaigning. Wants some hookers, booze party isn't going
to float.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/16/2011 6:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/10/2011 12:09 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:15:25 -0400, wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect)
and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except
those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of
course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay
raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care
programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life
simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world
would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.

But everyone hails the politician who brings the pork home. Everyone
wants to feed from the trough, no one wants to pay for the feed.


Yep, we reward deception, using taxes for theft, worship crooked
politicians and persecute the productive, the fleabagger way.

Campaign finance and lobbying reform would do the trick but it'd take
an act of God for those who've invested so much in the present system
to dissolve it.

Politicians don't want to change it, too much back door money and favors
come their way. Lobby group is about government supported bribery.

On way is to make lobby groups illegal. Then replace the funding via the
tax cost. The first $100 in taxes, you vote to a politician. Government
holds the money and politicians can get the money on receipts of
legitimate campaigning. Wants some hookers, booze party isn't going to
float.

Wasn't one of O/bama's first broken promises "iam gonna run dem lobyists
outa Washington. There will be no lobying, period." I'm paraphrasing but
that was the gist of his promise.