On 15/10/2011 7:45 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Drifter" wrote in message
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On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

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Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
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Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks, businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum
.... have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Fleabaggers don't have enough rationality to figure it out. They think
first with envy and their own personal greed.

Pretty easy to figure out why government can't fix the economic
troubles, they are the problem and not the solution. Too much
corruption, Bernanke thinks money for Obama debt spend is "free". The
stupid fleabagger government can't see the inflationary money print
means peoples incomes buy less goods, and less goods is less jobs and
less government income.

Government is like a snake eating its own tail.

But fleabagger s worship the very cause of their grief. Insanely stupid.

Government can't fix it, because they are the problem that caused it.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 15/10/2011 10:36 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political
spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone
else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

I can't agree with you more .... and I *do* get it. I just didn't
emphasize the
Big Business/Wall Street collaboration with the pols enough. The corrupt,
career office holders in DC are the enablers of the so called corporate
greed.
Put some honest people in to replace them and we'll start solving the
problems.

The pols may be bought, but *we* elect them. There are a few on my short
list,
but since it exists on both sides of the fence .... Dems and Republicans
.... I'll
refrain from getting into a debate about specific individuals. Suffice
to say,
the whole Congress needs a major cleanup.

But someone else with money picks the supporters that will elect their
choices to the ballot.

The ruse of democracy and party politics, the game is rigged, the house
always wins.

People are conditioned to vote for a party starting grade one. G12
brainwashes Democrats and Republicans are the only choices. So the
corrupt can influence government by supporting their man on the inside,
1/2 the corrupt work the democrats, the other half the republicans.

It is why the house always wins and the people always loose. Can't even
recall Obama, he is a 4 year term dictator.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 15/10/2011 11:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/15/11 12:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------



Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are
also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political
spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone
else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

I can't agree with you more .... and I *do* get it. I just didn't
emphasize the
Big Business/Wall Street collaboration with the pols enough. The corrupt,
career office holders in DC are the enablers of the so called corporate
greed.
Put some honest people in to replace them and we'll start solving the
problems.

The pols may be bought, but *we* elect them. There are a few on my short
list,
but since it exists on both sides of the fence .... Dems and Republicans
.... I'll
refrain from getting into a debate about specific individuals. Suffice
to say,
the whole Congress needs a major cleanup.


50 or so indictments and trials of Wall Street brokerage crooks, banking
crooks, et al, the *big* fish, would have sent out a message.

Yep, all the big fleabagger fish and corrupt got the message, they have
control. Toss some low level types to the wolves letting the real big
criminals slide.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 15/10/2011 12:14 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:36:46 -0400,
wrote:


"Boating All wrote in message
...
In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum
....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

I can't agree with you more .... and I *do* get it. I just didn't
emphasize the
Big Business/Wall Street collaboration with the pols enough. The corrupt,
career office holders in DC are the enablers of the so called corporate
greed.
Put some honest people in to replace them and we'll start solving the
problems.

The pols may be bought, but *we* elect them. There are a few on my short
list,
but since it exists on both sides of the fence .... Dems and Republicans
.... I'll
refrain from getting into a debate about specific individuals. Suffice to
say,
the whole Congress needs a major cleanup.

It takes money to get elected. That's the problem.

Maybe the people need to vote with money. First $100 of taxes to the
governmetn are political coupon money.

Corporations and non-coupon money is deemed corruption there after and
you vote each year.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Drifter" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Just maybe this uprising will help push the idea of campaign finance
and lobbying reform forward. We have a bought congress and they serve
at the beck and call of their supporters.

Wall Street is one of the main players at the table, along with a
number of the largest corporate players. Time for Washington DC to
return to doing the people's business instead of whoring for financial
services who want to bend the rules to suit their bottom line.

-------------------------------

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business. Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

Eisboch

On 15/10/2011 3:21 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum
....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Just maybe this uprising will help push the idea of campaign finance
and lobbying reform forward. We have a bought congress and they serve
at the beck and call of their supporters.

Wall Street is one of the main players at the table, along with a
number of the largest corporate players. Time for Washington DC to
return to doing the people's business instead of whoring for financial
services who want to bend the rules to suit their bottom line.

-------------------------------

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except
those Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of
course. They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big
Business. Blame them for what? For being in compliance with the rules
that they, the Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

Eisboch

Agreed. Because in reality the problem is government and why government
can't fix the problem. Government is the problem, too much fraud money
print and toxic to business crap.

But like pre-WW II Germany, blame the rich and companies, even
confiscate a few like GM. Driven by envy, greed and the "national
socialist" party, later known as Adolph and the Nazi.

Fact is rich would love to invest, but that doesn't mean loose money to
lethargic entitled lazy workers and tax greedy civic/state/fed
government sin a depreciating economy.

Be like workers going to work for no profit/pay or to loose money.

Fact is unscrupulous evil politicians are using it as a scape goat,
blame deflection from the real causes. After all the real cause sits
right in the Whitehouse. A bully, pushing on others to blame deflect
his inadequacies. A common trait of dads abandoning their kids is the
bull mentality, and 0bama has it.

Fact is 0bama is now a real problem for the survival of the USA. He
can't be allowed to continue, the economical, social and political
damage 0bama has done is not good at all. USA might have a bigger WW II
armed forces than the other top 25 nations combined including Russia and
China, but the economic underbelly is about to fall out.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

In article ,
says...

On 15/10/2011 7:25 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?

You will hear 20 different speakers all claiming to represent them.
Fleabaggers are a disorganized bunch. Anderson 360 will pick one to
talk from all.

Last I looked, 49% were more like Tea Party types, but media likes to
sideline this.

Best to just call this the rally of the discontent. Surprised we
haven't seen more of this so far. Greece is rolling up on US shores.
Too much debt, corruption and fraud from DC to stop it now.

It is interesting that these "rallies" get more press time than the
anti- IMF, WB and other semi-regular events. These might become
permanent eye-sores in sympathetic cities.

On 15/10/2011 3:57 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 15/10/2011 7:25 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?

You will hear 20 different speakers all claiming to represent them.
Fleabaggers are a disorganized bunch. Anderson 360 will pick one to
talk from all.

Last I looked, 49% were more like Tea Party types, but media likes to
sideline this.

Best to just call this the rally of the discontent. Surprised we
haven't seen more of this so far. Greece is rolling up on US shores.
Too much debt, corruption and fraud from DC to stop it now.

It is interesting that these "rallies" get more press time than the
anti- IMF, WB and other semi-regular events. These might become
permanent eye-sores in sympathetic cities.


Look at who owns much of Candas media and propaganda machines? Or buys
space as a customer?

CBC and CTV might as well be government propaganda departments.

Doesn't mater be it IMF, Canada bailing out other corrupt entities
including African banks and the UN/IMF/NATO US-Euro Bank Regime. We are
a managed herd.

See the tag line as to governments position. But I suspect the good
news is that with so few supporters, not that many are buying the
government propaganda of blame the rich.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business. Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business.
Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

-------------

No question, but as you know that would be harder to pass as a
Constitutional Amendment than increasing the debt ceiling or health care
reform.
The pols argue that it takes them several terms to develop the political
clout to "make things happen".

How can we possibly trust a group that votes themselves automatic pay raises
every year that only a special vote can prevent.
How can we possibly trust a group that gets the best health care programs
available to anyone on the face of the earth while
the people they represent are going broke trying to pay for theirs?
How can possibly trust a group that has fat pension plans for life simply
because they make promises and deliver nothing?
Anyone with a job evaluation report like theirs' in the real world would be
canned in a nanosecond.

A simpler solution is for voters to invoke De facto term limits by not
reelecting them term after term after term. Shake it up and
prevent long term deals and alliances to special interests to develop.