On 10/16/2011 8:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
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"Drifter" wrote in message
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On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
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Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Yeah, all of them are stupid because they don't wear the same blinders
you do... snerk

On 16/10/2011 6:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleyeGdneHVTc32EwTTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews. com,
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"Drifter" wrote in message
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On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

You don't get it. They are protesting the "system."
Part of the system is the Wall Street bought pols getting re-elected.
Where do you get the idea they don't despise the current politicians?
And do you really think most of these people have a CPA, or have enough
income to worry about tax dodges?

What they have is debt and no prospects for a good job.
The protesters have avoided having a political agenda.
That's a good move. Nearly all the pols are bought, so will turn
against them with a vengeance.
For example, 3 new free trade bills just passed Congress a few days ago.
Those trade bills will cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Who lobbied most for these bills?
Citibank, big pharma, and big agriculture. Wall Street.
Who voted for the bills?
Democrats and Republicans.
The so-called "socialist" President, Obama, will sign them into law.
So we'll soon have Hyundais and other Korean products for sale here that
are produced by North Korean slave labor of Kim Jong-il.
Panama, a premier tax shelter haven, will be able to tax shelter more
U.S. corporations and other wealth with added treaty protections.
The system is broken.

Here's what's going to happen in the not distant future.
As joblessness, despair for a decent future, and wealth disparity become
even more pronounced, the protests will grow.
There will be violence. Blood will flow. Heads will be put on pikes.
It's going to get very nasty.
EVERYBODY in the U.S. is covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Firebombs are easy to construct.
Most people will have to take a side, if they can't just lay low and
keeps their mouths shut.



You are correct. And really, I don't think all right wingers are so
stupid that they don't get it, it's just that they choose to not get it,
put blinders on, so to speak, so that they can continue to denigrate the
protesters.

Hey, lefty liberal fleabaggers want to discard conservative values of
rationality, logic and integrity but bitch when reality smacks them in
the face. Reality always wins, even if they are fleabaggers.

Fact is those with discipline, drive, self motivations go-getters are
going to get ahead and the lazy undisciplined nothing to offer types
larders are going to fall behind.

The gap is going to get worse as fleabaggers worship and vote for big
fat pandering expensive government. Fleabaggers are in denial of the
raw fact, government can solve the problem because government is the
problem. Fleabaggers are so stupid, they worship what causes their grief.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Drifter" wrote in message
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On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals, banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Just maybe this uprising will help push the idea of campaign finance
and lobbying reform forward. We have a bought congress and they serve
at the beck and call of their supporters.

Wall Street is one of the main players at the table, along with a
number of the largest corporate players. Time for Washington DC to
return to doing the people's business instead of whoring for financial
services who want to bend the rules to suit their bottom line.

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Drifter" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum ....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Just maybe this uprising will help push the idea of campaign finance
and lobbying reform forward. We have a bought congress and they serve
at the beck and call of their supporters.

Wall Street is one of the main players at the table, along with a
number of the largest corporate players. Time for Washington DC to
return to doing the people's business instead of whoring for financial
services who want to bend the rules to suit their bottom line.

-------------------------------

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business. Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

Eisboch

On 15/10/2011 3:21 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined
by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks,
businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum
....
have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other
than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Just maybe this uprising will help push the idea of campaign finance
and lobbying reform forward. We have a bought congress and they serve
at the beck and call of their supporters.

Wall Street is one of the main players at the table, along with a
number of the largest corporate players. Time for Washington DC to
return to doing the people's business instead of whoring for financial
services who want to bend the rules to suit their bottom line.

-------------------------------

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and
many he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except
those Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of
course. They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big
Business. Blame them for what? For being in compliance with the rules
that they, the Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

Eisboch

Agreed. Because in reality the problem is government and why government
can't fix the problem. Government is the problem, too much fraud money
print and toxic to business crap.

But like pre-WW II Germany, blame the rich and companies, even
confiscate a few like GM. Driven by envy, greed and the "national
socialist" party, later known as Adolph and the Nazi.

Fact is rich would love to invest, but that doesn't mean loose money to
lethargic entitled lazy workers and tax greedy civic/state/fed
government sin a depreciating economy.

Be like workers going to work for no profit/pay or to loose money.

Fact is unscrupulous evil politicians are using it as a scape goat,
blame deflection from the real causes. After all the real cause sits
right in the Whitehouse. A bully, pushing on others to blame deflect
his inadequacies. A common trait of dads abandoning their kids is the
bull mentality, and 0bama has it.

Fact is 0bama is now a real problem for the survival of the USA. He
can't be allowed to continue, the economical, social and political
damage 0bama has done is not good at all. USA might have a bigger WW II
armed forces than the other top 25 nations combined including Russia and
China, but the economic underbelly is about to fall out.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:21:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Agreed 100%

It's interesting to watch the likes of Chris Mathews (who I respect) and
other liberal minded political commentators tiptoe around this issue.
Officially, the talk is "Wall Street or Big Business Greed", yet he and many
he interviews concede that Congress is basically bought .... except those
Representatives or Senators that he happens to have on his show of course.
They just blame someone else or finger Wall Street or Big Business. Blame
them for what? For being in compliance with the rules that they, the
Congress, are responsible for putting into law?

Give 'em all their pink slips.

=======

Maybe the answer is term limits so they only have to be concerned
about re-election once or twice. The real problem is campaign
finance of course.

On 15/10/2011 7:45 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com...

On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Venting frustration. Understandable, but totally ineffective.
Here's why, IMO:

They are protesting the wrong people and groups. Think about it.
Your CPA or tax return preparer will advise you to take every legal
deduction available to you on your individual tax returns.
Those legal deductions (and legal loopholes) are legislated and
determined by ...... guess who?

Business tax returns and rules governing Wall Street operations are also
subject to legal deductions and loopholes,
legislated and determined by ...... guess who?

The protesters are targeting the wrong groups. The group that should be
protested and voted out of office are the career
politicians in DC who determine and write the rules that individuals,
banks, businesses and Wall Street are subject to.
These corrupt politicians .... on both sides of the political spectrum
.... have established too many IOU's over their "careers"
and have muddied the waters with BS to cast the blame on everyone else
other than themselves.

And we are stupid enough to believe them and continue to re-elect them.

Fleabaggers don't have enough rationality to figure it out. They think
first with envy and their own personal greed.

Pretty easy to figure out why government can't fix the economic
troubles, they are the problem and not the solution. Too much
corruption, Bernanke thinks money for Obama debt spend is "free". The
stupid fleabagger government can't see the inflationary money print
means peoples incomes buy less goods, and less goods is less jobs and
less government income.

Government is like a snake eating its own tail.

But fleabagger s worship the very cause of their grief. Insanely stupid.

Government can't fix it, because they are the problem that caused it.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 15/10/2011 7:25 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?

You will hear 20 different speakers all claiming to represent them.
Fleabaggers are a disorganized bunch. Anderson 360 will pick one to
talk from all.

Last I looked, 49% were more like Tea Party types, but media likes to
sideline this.

Best to just call this the rally of the discontent. Surprised we
haven't seen more of this so far. Greece is rolling up on US shores.
Too much debt, corruption and fraud from DC to stop it now.


--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

In article ,
says...

On 15/10/2011 7:25 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?

You will hear 20 different speakers all claiming to represent them.
Fleabaggers are a disorganized bunch. Anderson 360 will pick one to
talk from all.

Last I looked, 49% were more like Tea Party types, but media likes to
sideline this.

Best to just call this the rally of the discontent. Surprised we
haven't seen more of this so far. Greece is rolling up on US shores.
Too much debt, corruption and fraud from DC to stop it now.

It is interesting that these "rallies" get more press time than the
anti- IMF, WB and other semi-regular events. These might become
permanent eye-sores in sympathetic cities.

On 15/10/2011 3:57 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 15/10/2011 7:25 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/14/2011 7:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:

C&P From his favorite news source A.B.


Anyone seen a mission statment from these protesters?

You will hear 20 different speakers all claiming to represent them.
Fleabaggers are a disorganized bunch. Anderson 360 will pick one to
talk from all.

Last I looked, 49% were more like Tea Party types, but media likes to
sideline this.

Best to just call this the rally of the discontent. Surprised we
haven't seen more of this so far. Greece is rolling up on US shores.
Too much debt, corruption and fraud from DC to stop it now.

It is interesting that these "rallies" get more press time than the
anti- IMF, WB and other semi-regular events. These might become
permanent eye-sores in sympathetic cities.


Look at who owns much of Candas media and propaganda machines? Or buys
space as a customer?

CBC and CTV might as well be government propaganda departments.

Doesn't mater be it IMF, Canada bailing out other corrupt entities
including African banks and the UN/IMF/NATO US-Euro Bank Regime. We are
a managed herd.

See the tag line as to governments position. But I suspect the good
news is that with so few supporters, not that many are buying the
government propaganda of blame the rich.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude