Snowleopard wrote:
: It would be hard to find a WORSE boat. Too short, too wide, an absolute
: barge to paddle that will fill easily with water. IMHO, Old Town has never
: been able to design a decent boat. Look at Mad River Canoes if you want to
: paddle flat water; for whitewater, Mohawk's Probe-12 can't be beat. The
: Pack boat also has very little room for FEET - your feet, that is. Try
: kneeling against the seat and see what I mean!

Not sure how old this post is... but... I pulled the seat and put in a foam
saddle in our 119k (I bought a few different ones to play with in my Dagger
Caption and this was what I chose not to mount there). Much more comfortable
and puts the weight on the bottom instead of the gunnels. It is short and
wide (that's the point of the boat), but really isn't hard to paddle. I would
call it high initial stability, low secondary stability... the opposite of
the Caption.

First 2 pics are 2 kids and I in my 119k, last is my wife and son;
* http://www.chicagopaddling.org/mat.jpg (Kankakee River)
* http://www.chicagopaddling.org/ka3.jpg (Kankakee River)
* http://www.chicagopaddling.org/im3.jpg (I&M Canal)

I don't know if I'd like it to be my only boat, but it's a ok member of
the fleet (5 kayaks, 3 canoes).


: Rainy from Roosevelt
: "Chicago Paddling-Fishing" wrote in message
: ...
: CanoePam wrote:
: : I've had one for 7-8 years. Nice little canoe for getting in tight
: places.
: : It isn't fast and it isn't sleek, but it is wonderfully light and works
: : great with a double-bladed paddle. I find the seat a little high, and
: I've
: : been saying for years I'll lower it an inch or two. It feels "tippy" to
: : inexperienced paddlers at first, and I've had people tip it over the
: first
: : time they've been in it. I've never had a problem though.
:
: Yep, I agree.... one of our boats is a discovery 119k (similar size but
: about
: 10 pounds more). It's no problem with me in it, and we've carried small
: kids
: in it too...



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