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says... On 9/12/11 9:14 PM, wrote: Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. The "fun people" aren't smokers. Smokers smell bad, they pollute the air with their stench, their smoke ruins the taste of food, the smoke sticks to your hair and your clothes *and* it is not healthy. Anything that can be done to discourage smoking should be done. YOU smell bad, pollute the air with your stench. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 8:03 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! You are just like the people at my church who don't like gambling. They went to the parish pastor and told him that Bingo was gambling and that it was a sin and that they wanted the Friday night Bingo stopped. The pastor, a wise Catholic priest, said to them that he would be happy to shut down Bingo every Friday night if they would write a $10,000 check to the church each month. Bingo is still played every Friday night. Alcohol is just as bad as tobacco why not make both illegal? Then you and your buddies who think the same way can then write big fat checks to the local, state and federal governments to cover the lost tax revenue. There are worlds of difference between gambling and smoking and even drinking. You can gamble in moderation, you can drink in moderation, and if you are careful, you aren't going to kill yourself or others. Smoking in moderation will still lead to cancer. It MIGHT lead to cancer, some people smoke most of their lives with little complication. Your moderate gambling and your moderate drinking (that means, of course, no drinking and driving) aren't going to have any impact on me. Your smoking does...it offends my senses and if I am exposed to enough second-hand smoke, it also presents a health hazard and, of course, once you contract one of the smoking-related cancers, it's going to increase my medical insurance costs. What about cancers from other things? Should we ban everything that causes or may cause cancer? Air? Auto pollution? The sun? Because of my union business, I have to go to Las Vegas frequently. I don't gamble, but I'm not offended by the acres of slot machines and card games in every casino. I walk right by them without giving up a quarter. Well, that's not entirely true. I might drop a single quarter in a slot machine, usually at the bloody awful Las Vegas airport. I am pleased that smoking in restaurants in Maryland has been banned. It's pleasant to enjoy a meal without having to inhale the stench of cigarettes or cigars. |
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On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 8:00 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 7:56 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:06:43 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:18:52 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:54:35 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:10:37 -0400, wrote: We were not talking about malls, we were talking about bars and restaurants. If a person wants to have a "smoking allowed" restaurant on a separate lot, you have no reason to be there if smoke bothers you. I bet you don't spend a lot of time in strip joints either, no matter how good the food is.. So, you're now claiming that there are no restaurants or bars in malls? Restaurants are by nature public. There's no Fed ban. These are local and state issued bans. Too bad if you don't like what your state has done. The law applies equally to a restaurant in a mall and one out on a lonely dead end road. Are you saying that if it was away from the mall it could allow smoking. Otherwise you are trying to change the subject again. Take a limiting case... Imagine driving down a highway in the middle of nowhere. You need to use the toilet and finally you come across the only restaurant for miles. Unfortunately, it's a smoking establishment and you're allergic to cig smoke. So, that's why it applies equally That is bull****. You really had to stretch for that one. You can always be a bear and **** in the woods. Fortunately, the bans against cigarette smoking continue to spread. Pussy! |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 8:29 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 8:03 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! You are just like the people at my church who don't like gambling. They went to the parish pastor and told him that Bingo was gambling and that it was a sin and that they wanted the Friday night Bingo stopped. The pastor, a wise Catholic priest, said to them that he would be happy to shut down Bingo every Friday night if they would write a $10,000 check to the church each month. Bingo is still played every Friday night. Alcohol is just as bad as tobacco why not make both illegal? Then you and your buddies who think the same way can then write big fat checks to the local, state and federal governments to cover the lost tax revenue. There are worlds of difference between gambling and smoking and even drinking. You can gamble in moderation, you can drink in moderation, and if you are careful, you aren't going to kill yourself or others. Smoking in moderation will still lead to cancer. Your moderate gambling and your moderate drinking (that means, of course, no drinking and driving) aren't going to have any impact on me. Your smoking does...it offends my senses and if I am exposed to enough second-hand smoke, it also presents a health hazard and, of course, once you contract one of the smoking-related cancers, it's going to increase my medical insurance costs. Because of my union business, I have to go to Las Vegas frequently. I don't gamble, but I'm not offended by the acres of slot machines and card games in every casino. I walk right by them without giving up a quarter. Well, that's not entirely true. I might drop a single quarter in a slot machine, usually at the bloody awful Las Vegas airport. I am pleased that smoking in restaurants in Maryland has been banned. It's pleasant to enjoy a meal without having to inhale the stench of cigarettes or cigars. You spend too much time in restaurants You should learn moderation in your eating habits. Pussy! |
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On 9/13/2011 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:01:24 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:20:31 -0400, wrote: That was proposed by many bar and restaurant owners here who wanted to maintain their smoking customer base. They wanted smoking and non smoking restaurants, in the same chain with exactly the same menu. Nope, it was ALL or nothing. I'm sure their business was hurt terribly. I guess they're out of business. Good news? The particular restaurant that they wanted to make the "smoking" one did close shortly after the no smoking law was passed. Well, I guess the market forces spoke. Isn't that what you want? No the market was not allowed to speak, They made the restaurant no smoking, without allowing the market to decide how many people would choose the smoking location over a no smoking location about a mile away Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. Since it's not "a necessary component" there's no action that OSHA can take. Try again. What? The letter basically said OSHA does not have a standard for cigarette smoke. Yes, they don't have a standard. They just say there are tons of carcinogens in it, but it's not part of manufacturing processes. They do have a standard for all of the chemicals in question. It just would not be low enough to bar casual smoking. According to you. It would depend on several factors, like concentration and proximity, for example. Exactly, but that is not what you want. In reality it is the concentration in PPM usually taken at a couple locations on the site.. So, when someone is puffing their cigar in my face, I'm betting the PPM count is pretty high. But if they are at the other end of the bar, in a smoking section with the air going out that end, it will be too low to measure under your nose. Thanks for making my point. So, now you're going to have the barkeep prevent people who are smoking, perhaps drunk people, walking in to the other area. Thanks for making MY point. Why not? The bar keep has lots of rules they enforce. I managed one bar and worked another when I was younger that did just that... Smoking areas in another room. It even had a smoke eater in one corner snapping away all night long in the room... They imply that if they use the same standard they use for manufacturing it would not achieve the result desired by the administration and they should just deal with this with legislation. If they use the same standard for the listed pollutants that they use for manufacturing facilities you probably would not be able to get enough smokers in a room to exceed it and still be within the occupancy code. According to you. Nothing in the report claims the smoke is without risk. The letter from OSHA is basically begging off, telling the administration that this should be handled by separate legislation and getting them out of it.. And, it should be. So, what's your point? So this is simply legislation based on people being offended not any science confirming the hazard. (What OSHA does) Really? OSHA is the only one who thinks about hazards like this? Nope. OSHA is the government agency that sets the standards, They are also the ones who certify the labs. (AKA NRTLs) Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They, like other agencies, need legislation to do their jobs. This is an example of that. Sorry if that bothers you! They already have legislation to regulate HAZARDOUS concentrations of airborne chemicals. They said they do not have a standard that would apply to the minuscule amounts in a typical concentration of cigarette smoke. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:07:36 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/13/11 1:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? A guy who smokes cigars? :) LOL |
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On 9/13/11 3:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun Smelling as bad as they do, I suppose any offers they get are accepted. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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On 9/13/11 3:21 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
In article ,
says... On 9/13/11 3:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun Smelling as bad as they do, I suppose any offers they get are accepted. Exactly the same as you, coward. |
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In article ,
says... Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. Pretty funny example of The Politically Correct Mind. At your age you grew up around smokers. About half the population smoked until the '70's. In the trades there are plenty of smokers. So it's all old hat. The new part is Politically Correct. Suddenly smoking is the scourge of mankind. Like plume, you're a martinet. The smell of cigarette smoke gets all your Politically Correct brain synapses firing. You can't help it. I'm not saying that smoking is a good thing. Like being fat, burning leaves, or polluting the neighborhood with fireplace smoke. there's downsides to many things. But man, you anti-smokers are in a class by yourself. Anybody can say blech about any number of odors. I didn't smoke for a while, and I could smell smoke on smokers. Big deal. There's nothing offensive about cigarette smoke that isn't programmed into your mind by the need to be politically correct. Many colognes and perfumes are much more offensive to me. Not as offensive as you, but bad enough. I have no problem with reasonable anti-smoking laws. In fact I don't like eating near active smokers or being in smoke filled rooms. But I'll never be in the category of you and plume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-to...n_Nazi_Germany Yep. You're nazis, and don't even know it. Most of the time it happens that way. Propaganda works best on weak minds. Homosexuality is bad. Fat people are bad. Smokers are bad. And so it goes for those living with a stick up their ass. |
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On 9/13/2011 3:25 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 3:21 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. Do they smell as bad as Bob The Cat. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
In article ,
says... In article , says... Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. Pretty funny example of The Politically Correct Mind. At your age you grew up around smokers. About half the population smoked until the '70's. In the trades there are plenty of smokers. So it's all old hat. The new part is Politically Correct. Suddenly smoking is the scourge of mankind. Like plume, you're a martinet. The smell of cigarette smoke gets all your Politically Correct brain synapses firing. You can't help it. I'm not saying that smoking is a good thing. Like being fat, burning leaves, or polluting the neighborhood with fireplace smoke. there's downsides to many things. But man, you anti-smokers are in a class by yourself. Anybody can say blech about any number of odors. I didn't smoke for a while, and I could smell smoke on smokers. Big deal. There's nothing offensive about cigarette smoke that isn't programmed into your mind by the need to be politically correct. Many colognes and perfumes are much more offensive to me. Not as offensive as you, but bad enough. I have no problem with reasonable anti-smoking laws. In fact I don't like eating near active smokers or being in smoke filled rooms. But I'll never be in the category of you and plume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-to...n_Nazi_Germany Yep. You're nazis, and don't even know it. Most of the time it happens that way. Propaganda works best on weak minds. Homosexuality is bad. Fat people are bad. Smokers are bad. And so it goes for those living with a stick up their ass. I've seen TV game shows from the fifties that were sponsored by cigarette companies and the MC and everyone else smoked, had ashtrays, etc. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:21:26 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker I didn't realize ashtrays were smokers. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:25:12 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/13/11 3:21 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. I cannot drive in a car of a smoker. It seems to permeate everything and gets on my clothes. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:21:06 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:27 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:45:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. I'm betting that the "hottest" women regret that they smoked. Every cig takes about 12 minutes off your life. They may regret it in 40 years but these are young hot women. It's almost a certainty. Even ex-smokers, people who stopped 40 years ago, are much more likely to have health problems. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:20:19 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:18:20 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:22:04 -0400, wrote: Harry, I appreciate your honesty. You just do not like the smell. You are not making outlandish "health" claims that you will die if you smell a little smoke. They are not outlandish. Sounds like the same argument made against human cause global climate change. The vast, vast majority of climate scientists agree, but the right wing doesn't. Ah changing the subject again. Oh give me a break. It's an example. Feel free to deliver some more of your false equivalent bs. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:28:49 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:21:51 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:01:24 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:20:31 -0400, wrote: That was proposed by many bar and restaurant owners here who wanted to maintain their smoking customer base. They wanted smoking and non smoking restaurants, in the same chain with exactly the same menu. Nope, it was ALL or nothing. I'm sure their business was hurt terribly. I guess they're out of business. Good news? The particular restaurant that they wanted to make the "smoking" one did close shortly after the no smoking law was passed. Well, I guess the market forces spoke. Isn't that what you want? No the market was not allowed to speak, They made the restaurant no smoking, without allowing the market to decide how many people would choose the smoking location over a no smoking location about a mile away Sounds like the market spoke to me. You just don't like what it said. I will say this again. The market never had a chance to speak because the heavy hand of the government stopped the experiment. You can say it as many times as you like, but that doesn't make it more true. You continually assert correlation without causation. If they had allowed this location to stay open as a smoking restaurant and the one down the road as a non-smoking restaurant, then the market would have been able to speak. I think the anti smoking fascists did not want to hear the answer. Since the owner did his own market research and knew more than half of his customers in that location, smoked, he had the answer. So, now you're going to have the barkeep prevent people who are smoking, perhaps drunk people, walking in to the other area. Thanks for making MY point. Why not? The bar keep has lots of rules they enforce. Feel free to talk to the bartender. I am sure I know more bartenders than you do. My wife employs about a dozen at the country club. They are the bar cops. So, feel free to talk to them. They imply that if they use the same standard they use for manufacturing it would not achieve the result desired by the administration and they should just deal with this with legislation. If they use the same standard for the listed pollutants that they use for manufacturing facilities you probably would not be able to get enough smokers in a room to exceed it and still be within the occupancy code. According to you. Nothing in the report claims the smoke is without risk. The letter from OSHA is basically begging off, telling the administration that this should be handled by separate legislation and getting them out of it.. And, it should be. So, what's your point? So this is simply legislation based on people being offended not any science confirming the hazard. (What OSHA does) Really? OSHA is the only one who thinks about hazards like this? Nope. OSHA is the government agency that sets the standards, They are also the ones who certify the labs. (AKA NRTLs) Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They, like other agencies, need legislation to do their jobs. This is an example of that. Sorry if that bothers you! They already have legislation to regulate HAZARDOUS concentrations of airborne chemicals. They said they do not have a standard that would apply to the minuscule amounts in a typical concentration of cigarette smoke. They never used the word minuscule. Not having a standard is not the same as believing the airborne chemicals are safe. Nice try. OSHA standards do not say any chemical is safe, they just establish a safe TLV for them. Unfortunately for your case, that is not zero. Yet you claimed they do claim that it's safe. There is no safe level of cigarette smoking. |
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On 9/13/11 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:25:12 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 3:21 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. I cannot drive in a car of a smoker. It seems to permeate everything and gets on my clothes. The smell of cigarettes makes me nauseous, cigars less so, though I don't like the smell of cigars. None of my friends or associates are smokers. A few are "former" smokers (I nagged them for years, as did others). Cigarette stench really is overwhelming. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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On 9/13/2011 5:07 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 5:01 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:25:12 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 3:21 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:53 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Who would want to kiss an ashtray? Another smoker Blech. Everything about women who smoke smells bad...their breath, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bed linens, their homes, their cars. I cannot drive in a car of a smoker. It seems to permeate everything and gets on my clothes. The smell of cigarettes makes me nauseous, cigars less so, though I don't like the smell of cigars. None of my friends or associates are smokers. A few are "former" smokers (I nagged them for years, as did others). Cigarette stench really is overwhelming. You two should get together . You have so much in common. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 5:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. Having fun is doing something that is fun to do. Hope this helps. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:21:06 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:19:27 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:45:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. I'm betting that the "hottest" women regret that they smoked. Every cig takes about 12 minutes off your life. They may regret it in 40 years but these are young hot women. It's almost a certainty. Even ex-smokers, people who stopped 40 years ago, are much more likely to have health problems. You really do have a stick up your ass. You should interview for a job with Jeff Dunham. Tell him I sent you. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/11 7:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Smoking isn't fun. It's a dirty, filthy, smelly addiction. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:08:48 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Ah, so back to the insults. I get it. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:10:12 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/13/11 7:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Smoking isn't fun. It's a dirty, filthy, smelly addiction. Along with lip, throat, and lung cancer, not to mention all the other great diseases that come up. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:07:02 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:06:01 -0700, wrote: So, now you're going to have the barkeep prevent people who are smoking, perhaps drunk people, walking in to the other area. Thanks for making MY point. Why not? The bar keep has lots of rules they enforce. Feel free to talk to the bartender. I am sure I know more bartenders than you do. My wife employs about a dozen at the country club. They are the bar cops. So, feel free to talk to them. \ OK so you were full of ****. BTW who do you think is there to enforce the smoking ban? Same drunks, same cigarettes, the only difference is, instead of having them move back to the smoking section you have to throw them out. Great for business huh? So, you're claiming that the bartenders are going to start enforcing a ban on smokers ranging all over the place? There have been very few problems enforcing smoking bans in restaurants and public buildings. I suppose that in your mind it's bad for business when someone is ejected for disruptive or dangerous behavior? |
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On 9/13/11 7:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:10:12 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 7:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Smoking isn't fun. It's a dirty, filthy, smelly addiction. Along with lip, throat, and lung cancer, not to mention all the other great diseases that come up. I really thought I'd never see another apologetica for smoking. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. Gotta love the rationalizations of the simple-minded. I watched my great-grandmother sit in a chair in my grandmother's living room for 15 years. She watched TV, ate and slept. I don't think she was doing much more five years before we moved back east. So, for 20 years she watched TV all day long and didn't do much else. Is that how you want to spend your years from 80 to 100? |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
In article om,
says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 8:03 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! You are just like the people at my church who don't like gambling. They went to the parish pastor and told him that Bingo was gambling and that it was a sin and that they wanted the Friday night Bingo stopped. The pastor, a wise Catholic priest, said to them that he would be happy to shut down Bingo every Friday night if they would write a $10,000 check to the church each month. Bingo is still played every Friday night. Alcohol is just as bad as tobacco why not make both illegal? Then you and your buddies who think the same way can then write big fat checks to the local, state and federal governments to cover the lost tax revenue. There are worlds of difference between gambling and smoking and even drinking. You can gamble in moderation, you can drink in moderation, and if you are careful, you aren't going to kill yourself or others. Smoking in moderation will still lead to cancer. Many of my relatives had their lives cut short. They died at an early age, usually in their mid to late 80's instead of into their 90's. Most of them smoked for 50 or 60 years and they drank to excess too. Birth leads to death. The only question is when will death come and how will it come. Your moderate gambling and your moderate drinking (that means, of course, no drinking and driving) aren't going to have any impact on me. Your smoking does...it offends my senses and if I am exposed to enough second-hand smoke, it also presents a health hazard and, of course, once you contract one of the smoking-related cancers, it's going to increase my medical insurance costs. If you do not want to be offended by others you have the choice to stay on your property for your entire life. Because of my union business, I have to go to Las Vegas frequently. I don't gamble, but I'm not offended by the acres of slot machines and card games in every casino. I walk right by them without giving up a quarter. Well, that's not entirely true. I might drop a single quarter in a slot machine, usually at the bloody awful Las Vegas airport. I really don't care about what you like to do and what you don't like to do. I am pleased that smoking in restaurants in Maryland has been banned. It's pleasant to enjoy a meal without having to inhale the stench of cigarettes or cigars. You still miss the point. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 12:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:42:01 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 11:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:22:35 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 9:14 PM, wrote: Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. The "fun people" aren't smokers. Smokers smell bad, they pollute the air with their stench, their smoke ruins the taste of food, the smoke sticks to your hair and your clothes *and* it is not healthy. Then why is it so important that you go into a bar that allows smoking? Nobody said allowing a bar owner to allow smoking meant ANY of them have to. Let the bar owner decide who he wants to cater to. 1. It's not important that I go into a bar that allows smoking. I don't go into bars, usually. Many of the restaurants we frequent, however, have bars as part of their facilities. 2. I'm grateful that in Maryland and DC, restaurants and other public facilities and office buildings do not allow smoking. Because of that I don't have to smell the stench of tobacco smoke. Smokers, especially cigarette smokers, smell bad and their residue smells bad. 3. The regs are a bit less stringent in Virginia, but I believe most restaurants do not allow smoking. About the only Virginia restaurants we frequent are in Virginia Beach, and I haven't noticed the stench of tobacco smoke in the restaurants down there for some time. 4. I'd like to see the local sheriffs enforce the anti-litter laws against smokers who toss their cigarette/cigar butts out the windows of their cars, or empty their ashtrays on the street when they are stopped for traffic lights. I see that sort of irresponsible behavior frequently. A few hundred $500 fines assessed every week might help force decent behavior on smokers. I know the sheriffs stop and ticket motorists who toss fast food wrappers and cups out the window. 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! Harry, I appreciate your honesty. You just do not like the smell. You are not making outlandish "health" claims that you will die if you smell a little smoke. I only worked at one place where the number of smokers was significant, but that was at the Kansas City Star, and the city room was enormous and well ventilated. I do appreciate though that constant exposure to second hand smoke is a health problem. You can appreciate whatever you want, however, there is no data to prove that second hand smoke causes cancer. If it did my sisters and I would have died from second hand smoke before we reached adulthood. As you point out (and as I did), for me, the problem is...the stench. Taste is a personal choice. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:17:57 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/13/11 7:13 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:10:12 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 7:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Smoking isn't fun. It's a dirty, filthy, smelly addiction. Along with lip, throat, and lung cancer, not to mention all the other great diseases that come up. I really thought I'd never see another apologetica for smoking. Me either... strange stuff is generated these days from the right wing about "individual" rights and freedoms. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:58:06 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 9/13/11 12:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:42:01 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 11:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:22:35 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 9:14 PM, wrote: Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. The "fun people" aren't smokers. Smokers smell bad, they pollute the air with their stench, their smoke ruins the taste of food, the smoke sticks to your hair and your clothes *and* it is not healthy. Then why is it so important that you go into a bar that allows smoking? Nobody said allowing a bar owner to allow smoking meant ANY of them have to. Let the bar owner decide who he wants to cater to. 1. It's not important that I go into a bar that allows smoking. I don't go into bars, usually. Many of the restaurants we frequent, however, have bars as part of their facilities. 2. I'm grateful that in Maryland and DC, restaurants and other public facilities and office buildings do not allow smoking. Because of that I don't have to smell the stench of tobacco smoke. Smokers, especially cigarette smokers, smell bad and their residue smells bad. 3. The regs are a bit less stringent in Virginia, but I believe most restaurants do not allow smoking. About the only Virginia restaurants we frequent are in Virginia Beach, and I haven't noticed the stench of tobacco smoke in the restaurants down there for some time. 4. I'd like to see the local sheriffs enforce the anti-litter laws against smokers who toss their cigarette/cigar butts out the windows of their cars, or empty their ashtrays on the street when they are stopped for traffic lights. I see that sort of irresponsible behavior frequently. A few hundred $500 fines assessed every week might help force decent behavior on smokers. I know the sheriffs stop and ticket motorists who toss fast food wrappers and cups out the window. 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! Harry, I appreciate your honesty. You just do not like the smell. You are not making outlandish "health" claims that you will die if you smell a little smoke. I only worked at one place where the number of smokers was significant, but that was at the Kansas City Star, and the city room was enormous and well ventilated. I do appreciate though that constant exposure to second hand smoke is a health problem. You can appreciate whatever you want, however, there is no data to prove that second hand smoke causes cancer. If it did my sisters and I would have died from second hand smoke before we reached adulthood. As you point out (and as I did), for me, the problem is...the stench. Taste is a personal choice. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...et/Tobacco/ETS http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/s...oke.html#cat22 Of course, these are GOVERNMENT institutions, so according to the teabaggers, wrong or suspect and part of an Obama plot to take over their brains (as if they had any to be worried about). |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article om, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/11 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. 29 years of smoking probably means his wife will be a widow before her time. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/11 7:46 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleR5GdnR9K0vwK2PLTnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, says... On 9/13/11 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. Gotta love the rationalizations of the simple-minded. I watched my great-grandmother sit in a chair in my grandmother's living room for 15 years. She watched TV, ate and slept. I don't think she was doing much more five years before we moved back east. So, for 20 years she watched TV all day long and didn't do much else. Is that how you want to spend your years from 80 to 100? There's no reason to believe your familial experience is *the* pattern for all older people. I know a few guys well into their 80's who are actively involved in intellectually complicated "mover and shaker" tasks that would be beyond the abilities of many half their age. Neither of them are "smokers." I had a relative who died at 99 after a long, healthy, active life, and she was sharp as a tack until the very end. Hey, it's perfectly ok with me if you prefer to die young. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 8:43 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 8:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. 29 years of smoking probably means his wife will be a widow before her time. Like yours. Maybe they can compare notes |
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