On 9/5/11 6:34 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/5/2011 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:59:39 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:54:42 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:


The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those
charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry
picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up
13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only
use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to
produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was
included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but
there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you
haven't
been very successful in doing so.


Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.


Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Look at this. It shows that Latinos employment ratio is the highest.
Even with the lack of new housing starts.
http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709


That is because they will go for those "Green Jobs". The houses may
get foreclosed on but that grass keeps on growing and the county makes
the bank mow it.

The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Well they did put you out of work at the car wash.


A mop and a bucket retired you from the navy.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

Companies like GE, IBM, John Deere, Caterpillar, Honeywell, Johnson
Controls, Beckman Instruments, Boeing, United Technologies, etc., are
all manufacturing and exporting like crazy, but you can't export what
the world doesn't need. The technology and product have to be unique,
and the price has to be right. Our best and brightest are studying to
be lawyers and investment bankers however, my kids included.
Engineers and scientists have not been rewarded in proportion to their
education, skills and contribution and that is taking a toll.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:32:49 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 05/09/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:

Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Liable to get worse too. Bernanke will print more money, creating more
hidden inflation, people will acquire less stuff, so fewer jobs are
needed. Pretty good chance like Japan's lost decades this will continue
for the foreseeable future.

I hope you are wrong but I am having a hard time seeing what is going
to make this better. Building roads and bridges will put a few people
to work but we are buying machines from Asia to do it and we will have
to print the money to pay the operators.
We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

I do understand there are orders coming in for the F-35 JSF already.

If we were not selling weapons we would be in worse shape than we are
but I am not sure that is the best thing to do in the long run. They
seem to get aimed at us more often than we would like. I hope we are
at least putting a trojan horse in the software so we can crash them
if we need to.

I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the
year before. As usual, you're just paranoid.

On Sep 5, 8:02*pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/5/11 6:34 PM, BeachBum wrote:





On 9/5/2011 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:59:39 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:54:42 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:

The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those
charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry
picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up
13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only
use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to
produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was
included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but
there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you
haven't
been very successful in doing so.

Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.

Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Look at this. It shows that Latinos employment ratio is the highest.
Even with the lack of new housing starts.
http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

That is because they will go for those "Green Jobs". The houses may
get foreclosed on but that grass keeps on growing and the county makes
the bank mow it.

The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Well they did put you out of work at the car wash.

A mop and a bucket retired you from the navy.



.... and none too soon, from what I hear.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:24:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:46:40 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:58:59 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 03/09/2011 11:41 AM, wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142

Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George
W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama.

Look closer at the chart fleabagger. It was 2007 once the democrat 2006
congress debt lovers and Bernanke money print took right off. Also
right about the time unemployment rose with government debt and
overspending. DC has been running on bull**** and fraud ever since.
And Obama shovels more debt and bull**** than all before him.

Fact is ass holes like you vote for fleabaggers that has ruined the USA.

Did Bush have a veto?

Over continuing resolutions?

Which ones?

Any.

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@m38g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, says...

On Sep 5, 8:02*pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/5/11 6:34 PM, BeachBum wrote:





On 9/5/2011 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:59:39 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:54:42 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:

The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those
charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry
picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up
13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only
use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to
produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was
included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but
there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you
haven't
been very successful in doing so.

Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.

Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Look at this. It shows that Latinos employment ratio is the highest.
Even with the lack of new housing starts.
http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

That is because they will go for those "Green Jobs". The houses may
get foreclosed on but that grass keeps on growing and the county makes
the bank mow it.

The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Well they did put you out of work at the car wash.

A mop and a bucket retired you from the navy.



... and none too soon, from what I hear.

What did you "hear" about it, and from whom?

On 9/6/2011 8:53 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:24:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:46:40 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:58:59 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/09/2011 11:41 AM, wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142

Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George
W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama.

Look closer at the chart fleabagger. It was 2007 once the democrat 2006
congress debt lovers and Bernanke money print took right off. Also
right about the time unemployment rose with government debt and
overspending. DC has been running on bull**** and fraud ever since.
And Obama shovels more debt and bull**** than all before him.

Fact is ass holes like you vote for fleabaggers that has ruined the USA.

Did Bush have a veto?

Over continuing resolutions?

Which ones?

Any.
John, play fair. How can she make an argument out of that?

On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:09:36 -0700, wrote:


I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the
year before. As usual, you're just paranoid.


... and we imported $2.5T

Always found it odd how people don't look at balance of trade charts.
They'll pick something like Boeing to show manufacturing is alive and
well.
How many of us buy a 757?
Or Apple, which uses foreign labor to produce their products.
People spend a good deal of their money on electronics, tools, and
household appliances, then fluff. It's nearly all foreign labor.
What's so hard at looking at the label on what you buy?
Not saying that should guide your decision.
In most cases you don't have a choice.