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a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could
disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat |
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On Aug 27, 9:05*am, wf3h wrote:
a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. |
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On 8/27/11 8:05 AM, wf3h wrote:
a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat Good luck. We're beginning to see a little wind, and radar shows a lot of rain incoming shortly. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:20:38 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote: The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Let me get this straight: You left a sail on the rig during a hurricane. Talk about a no-brainer. Wind equivalent of arson, almost. Do you hand Ming vases to toddlers? To digress slightly, here in Iowa we get tornados and there is very little warning. We just had most of a town destroyed. More than a hundred dead. Casady |
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On 8/27/11 12:07 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:20:38 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Let me get this straight: You left a sail on the rig during a hurricane. Talk about a no-brainer. Wind equivalent of arson, almost. Do you hand Ming vases to toddlers? To digress slightly, here in Iowa we get tornados and there is very little warning. We just had most of a town destroyed. More than a hundred dead. Casady You live in Iowa in the middle of tornado alley? Talk about a no-brainer. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. |
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On 8/27/11 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You just have to love it when the self-proclaimed "perfect" pipe up. They're perfect, all right...perfect assholes. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:20:38 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Let me get this straight: You left a sail on the rig during a hurricane. Talk about a no-brainer. Wind equivalent of arson, almost. Do you hand Ming vases to toddlers? To digress slightly, here in Iowa we get tornados and there is very little warning. We just had most of a town destroyed. More than a hundred dead. Casady He's a crazy *******! -HB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message
m... On 8/27/11 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You just have to love it when the self-proclaimed "perfect" pipe up. They're perfect, all right...perfect assholes. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of Don. Reply: Well you are a damn near perfect asshole. Why should insurance cover a screw up like that. Sort of like leaving the dining room table outside in the rain and claiming an insurance moment. .. |
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On Aug 27, 5:25*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. *I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. *Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:26:31 -0400, iBoatMore wrote:
In article , says... On 8/27/11 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You just have to love it when the self-proclaimed "perfect" pipe up. They're perfect, all right...perfect assholes. Yeah, we know, you favor rewarding those who are lazy and careless. funny...i haven't seen him sing the praises of wall street. |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. You pay extra for that coverage. Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? Yup, you would. |
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On Aug 28, 4:43*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message .... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. *I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. *Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! *You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. *Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. *You pay extra for that coverage. *Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. *I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. * You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? *Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Aug 28, 4:43 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. You pay extra for that coverage. Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y Reply: Dip****, you can not afford a major pot to **** in. I can afford vacations. Fact is I have been on a couple already this year. Camping the North Coast of Calif. 10 days in Kona. A week long range fishing trip out of San Diego. Plus an upcoming 10 day trip to San Diego for some surfing and fishing. A weekend Kayak derby in Shelter Cove, CA. Now you, if you stopped buying so much booze for you and your kid, you could at least afford a weekend with the wife at a cheap B&B. But your life is to kiss Harry's ass it seems. |
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On Aug 28, 10:54*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 4:43 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message .... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. *I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail.. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. *Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! *You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. *Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence.. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. *You pay extra for that coverage. *Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. *I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. * You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? *Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! * *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y Reply: Dip****, you can not afford a major pot to **** in. *I can afford vacations. Fact is I have been on a couple already this year. *Camping the North Coast of Calif. *10 days in Kona. *A week long range fishing trip out of San Diego. *Plus an upcoming 10 day trip to San Diego for some surfing and fishing. *A weekend Kayak derby in Shelter Cove, CA. * Now you, if you stopped buying so much booze for you and your kid, you could at least afford a weekend with the wife at a cheap B&B. * But your life is to kiss Harry's ass it seems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take my offer...please! |
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On Aug 29, 9:54*am, iBoatMore wrote:
In article 38526db4-bccd-4ef0-921b-a17b7ed5cd15 @a14g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 28, 4:43*pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message .... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. *I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. *Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! *You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. *Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. *You pay extra for that coverage. *Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. *I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. * You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? *Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! * *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y You can't afford a little wager let alone a vacation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who says I can't afford a wager or vacation?? I'm trying to spare the entire group your crying & moaning if I took your life savings on something as foolish as a wager. |
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In article 62992a43-cb60-44f6-9af1-6146f4bff6f8
@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 29, 9:54*am, iBoatMore wrote: In article 38526db4-bccd-4ef0-921b-a17b7ed5cd15 @a14g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 28, 4:43*pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. *I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. *Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! *You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. *Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. *You pay extra for that coverage. *Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. *I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. * You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? *Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! * *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y You can't afford a little wager let alone a vacation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who says I can't afford a wager or vacation?? I'm trying to spare the entire group your crying & moaning if I took your life savings on something as foolish as a wager. Try me, Don. You're almost as good as Harry at squirming out of something you've said. Yep, the Cowardly Duo! |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Aug 28, 10:54 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 4:43 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wf3h wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. You pay extra for that coverage. Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y Reply: Dip****, you can not afford a major pot to **** in. I can afford vacations. Fact is I have been on a couple already this year. Camping the North Coast of Calif. 10 days in Kona. A week long range fishing trip out of San Diego. Plus an upcoming 10 day trip to San Diego for some surfing and fishing. A weekend Kayak derby in Shelter Cove, CA. Now you, if you stopped buying so much booze for you and your kid, you could at least afford a weekend with the wife at a cheap B&B. But your life is to kiss Harry's ass it seems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take my offer...please! Reply: it is both an offer you can not afford, and to say idiotic at best. |
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North Star wrote:
On Aug 29, 9:54 am, wrote: In article38526db4-bccd-4ef0-921b-a17b7ed5cd15 @a14g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 28, 4:43 pm, wrote: "North Star" wrote in message .... On Aug 27, 5:25 pm, wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:05 am, wrote: a little late....called the marina this morning to see if they could disconnect the shore power line but long beach island has been evacuated and the marina is closed. calling for 60mph winds today...the little boat's on its own! have a friend whose son lives on their boat...he's evacuated but will be back on the island when they reopen it...will let me know if i still have a boat There's always something ... When Juan passed through here in September of 2003, we doubled all the lines connecting the Mirage 33 sailboat to it's slip... but forgot to add extra line to wrap around the genoa... in fact we should have taken it down. The sail was blown out and ripped to shreds..... an $1800.00 loss. I believe the owners insurance covered it. Reply: Insurance should not cover an error by the owner like the ripped sail. Laziness and carelessness should not be rewarded. Just ups the rates for the rest of us. You drinking again Swill?? If you were right, insurance companies would refuse to payout on half the automobile accidents... especially in the US. Reply: You dumb ****!!! You're a drinker and you made statements about your alcoholic son and you accuse others of drinking. Why the hell should insurance pay for something like a ripped sail due to your incompetence. Not like driving down the street and wrecking the car. You pay extra for that coverage. Make it a rider on the policy for coverage of your own screw-ups. I guess you want the insurance company to pay for the clean up of your yard after the windstorm as you and your family are too drunk to handle that chore. You want insurance to cover that sail that ripped during a race? Yup, you would.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hey Swill.. I bought you a ticket for your much needed vacation. Bon voyage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y You can't afford a little wager let alone a vacation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who says I can't afford a wager or vacation?? I'm trying to spare the entire group your crying& moaning if I took your life savings on something as foolish as a wager. What a bitch! That spin is just stupid! -HB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg |
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