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Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! By Stacy Curtin | Daily Ticker The day has arrived. Today is the deadline for the U.S. to fully approve an increase to the country's $14.3 trillion debt-ceiling. The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bi-partisan deal Monday to increase the country's spending limit through the end of 2012, and the Senate is set to take up the legislation today. The compromise, which includes $2.4 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade, came together in the final moments Sunday evening at the White House after weeks of bitter debate. But for all congressional haranguing and behaving like children (See: AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE: U.S. Debt Talks Hijacked By Gang Of Angry Children), it might do some good to take a step back and ask how we got here in the first place. In The Real State of America Atlas: Mapping the Myths and Truths of the United States, authors Cynthia Enloe and Joni Seager, did just that. In the section "Money Comes, Money Goes" they provide a detailed picture of where the U.S. government collects money and spends money using a series of charts and graphics. 2010 U.S. Government Revenues For the fiscal year 2010, the U.S. government collected $2.2 trillion: 40% of revenues came from social insurances taxes, 43% from individual taxes, 7% in corporate and other taxes, and a tiny 3% in excise taxes. 2010 U.S. Government Spending For the same fiscal year, the U.S. spent $3.6 trillion: 21% went to Medicare and Medicaid benefits; 20% to Social Security benefits; 20% to defense and security-related activities (like the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan); another 20% to program areas such as education, transportation and the environment; 16% to social safety-net spending like food stamps, home heating insurance and supplemental social security insurance; and finally 6% went to pay all the interest on the U.S. national debt. When Enloe and Seager looked at these numbers in context of the current debt and budget debate, two things jump out at them: 1) How yearly budget deficits have ballooned in such a short amount of time. In 1995, the U.S. had a deficit of $164 billion. In 2000, under President Bill Clinton, the U.S. budget deficit was actually in the green at $236 billion. And today, the country is project to have a deficit of $1.6 trillion by year-end. 2) Where the money is coming from and that corporate America pays a lot less in taxes than one might imagine. According to the Government Accountability Office, 57% of U.S. companies doing business in the U.S. paid no federal income taxes for at least one year from 1998 to 2005. For example, in 2009 GE, Bank of America, Citigroup and Valero did not pay any taxes on income. (See: GE Paid Less in Taxes Than You Last Year, Says The New York Times) On top of that the authors found it "quite astonishing" to learn that 83 of the largest 100 U.S. companies have overseas tax havens. In 2007, Citigroup had 427 subsidiaries in foreign tax havens, Morgan Stanley had 273, New Corps had 152, Bank of America had 115, and Procter & Gamble 83. And get this, there is one single address in the Cayman Islands that is home to 19,000 corporations as their home address -- tiny P.O. boxes! Big Payday for CEOs While corporate profits remain high, the good times continue to roll in for some of the wealthiest people in corporate America. In the book, the authors also focus on the incredible disparity between workers' pay and the big paydays awarded to some of the country's top CEOs. Check out this comparison! In 2009, the Oracle CEO Larry Ellison received total compensation of $57 billion dollars. The equivalent of the combined salary of 1,772 average workers or 3,767 minimum-wage earners! |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
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Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. Yes they do. However, if they had their way, they would employ fewer. Corp. American (specifically big business) don't care about employees. They care about CEO pay and shareholder profit. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:52:33 -0400, LilAbner wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Not really, I know corporations pay zero in taxes, The taxes are all paid by their customers and corporations make profit on the tax. It is just another line item on their ledger and they price the product accordingly.. The government likes taxing at the corporate level because people do not see that tax. That is the allure of the VAT tax. Things just get more expensive but people do not realize how much of that is tax. Reply: Well said. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/3/2011 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. Yes they do. However, if they had their way, they would employ fewer. Corp. American (specifically big business) don't care about employees. They care about CEO pay and shareholder profit. CEO is employee. You is rag lady. You don't get paid to worry about big business. So don't worry be happy. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/4/2011 1:42 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. Speaking of airport subsidies, Repubs aren't the only ones stealing your money. Watch and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OEkg0XeD8 |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:02:30 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:52:33 -0400, LilAbner wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Not really, I know corporations pay zero in taxes, The taxes are all paid by their customers and corporations make profit on the tax. It is just another line item on their ledger and they price the product accordingly.. The government likes taxing at the corporate level because people do not see that tax. That is the allure of the VAT tax. Things just get more expensive but people do not realize how much of that is tax. Reply: Well said. What a bunch of bs. Corps. pay the lowest real tax in the 1st World. The ship jobs overseas with no penalty. They get all kinds of subsidies, but throwing real people out of work is the Republican thing. VAT would make sense, except the transition to a VAT economy is not in the cards. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 03/08/2011 9:55 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. All Americans are stock holders. Money is a currency stock. Print twice as much of it and each share is 1/2 the value. Money is stock, a stock of common trade between two or more trading partners. I know, most people don't see it that way but it is materially correct. Money is a common stock in the economy behind it. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 04/08/2011 5:57 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/4/2011 1:42 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. Speaking of airport subsidies, Repubs aren't the only ones stealing your money. Watch and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OEkg0XeD8 Fleabaggers want a do nothing but stagnation democrat government. Democrats refused to pass the bill....becuase it had changes in the same old stupid democratic ways. Pretty obvious the Tea Party is trying to make changes and democrats want the same old corrupt Washington DC. So every turn of change, the democrats become sticks in the mud. Lets hope in 2012, that any politicians in DC for more than 3 terms gets the boot. Demographically, it seems like in enough time, DC corrupts absolutely. So the solution is as follows: Politicians are like diapers, once on too long they all begin to stink ao change often. As USA problems are not going to be solved by old political turf waring old frat democrats and republicans. Need more less corrupted Tea Party to put C on the move to progress and not just the same **** that is bringing USA o its knees. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 04/08/2011 4:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Some have the mis-belief that their pension funds are stuffed into mattresses rather than invested in the various markets. Pretty safe bet to say everyone ultimately suffers for this. Be you rich, middle, poor or welfare. You will suffer. Imagine the government revenue losses.....more pressure to cut harryk, deplume, wtf3 welfares...even they will suffer. Just that they are too dumb**** stupid to see it. Debt isn't free, and with zero rate debt, society pays the cost. Obama will be replaced in 2012, but Bernanke needs firing now. Too much US Fed fraud money print and debt bankrupting the USA. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:09:59 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/08/2011 5:57 AM, BeachBum wrote: On 8/4/2011 1:42 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. Speaking of airport subsidies, Repubs aren't the only ones stealing your money. Watch and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OEkg0XeD8 Fleabaggers want a do nothing but stagnation democrat government. Democrats refused to pass the bill....becuase it had changes in the same old stupid democratic ways. Pretty obvious the Tea Party is trying to make changes and democrats want the same old corrupt Washington DC. So every turn of change, the democrats become sticks in the mud. Lets hope in 2012, that any politicians in DC for more than 3 terms gets the boot. Demographically, it seems like in enough time, DC corrupts absolutely. So the solution is as follows: Politicians are like diapers, once on too long they all begin to stink ao change often. As USA problems are not going to be solved by old political turf waring old frat democrats and republicans. Need more less corrupted Tea Party to put C on the move to progress and not just the same **** that is bringing USA o its knees. It's pretty obvious that you're a moron. The Republicans refused to fund the "shovel ready" FAA projects employing 70K workers, most of whom are in construction all because they can't stand that there is some waste somewhere else in the FAA budget. They would rather see 1000s unemployed and unable to pay their bills. The teabaggers are mostly dirtbags, with no long-term ideas, and with lots and lots of racist tendencies. Your buddies I'm sure. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:13:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/08/2011 4:56 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Some have the mis-belief that their pension funds are stuffed into mattresses rather than invested in the various markets. Pretty safe bet to say everyone ultimately suffers for this. Be you rich, middle, poor or welfare. You will suffer. Imagine the government revenue losses.....more pressure to cut harryk, deplume, wtf3 welfares...even they will suffer. Just that they are too dumb**** stupid to see it. Debt isn't free, and with zero rate debt, society pays the cost. Obama will be replaced in 2012, but Bernanke needs firing now. Too much US Fed fraud money print and debt bankrupting the USA. Imagine you're stupid. Not necessary. You are stupid. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:04:48 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 03/08/2011 9:55 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. All Americans are stock holders. Money is a currency stock. Print twice as much of it and each share is 1/2 the value. Money is stock, a stock of common trade between two or more trading partners. I know, most people don't see it that way but it is materially correct. Money is a common stock in the economy behind it. Money is not "currency" stock. It's currency. Stock is used in corporations that indicates some level of ownership. It's got nothing to do with governments. Money (or currency) is a medium of exchange. Get a clue. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 04/08/2011 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:09:59 -0600, wrote: On 04/08/2011 5:57 AM, BeachBum wrote: On 8/4/2011 1:42 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. Speaking of airport subsidies, Repubs aren't the only ones stealing your money. Watch and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OEkg0XeD8 Fleabaggers want a do nothing but stagnation democrat government. Democrats refused to pass the bill....becuase it had changes in the same old stupid democratic ways. Pretty obvious the Tea Party is trying to make changes and democrats want the same old corrupt Washington DC. So every turn of change, the democrats become sticks in the mud. Lets hope in 2012, that any politicians in DC for more than 3 terms gets the boot. Demographically, it seems like in enough time, DC corrupts absolutely. So the solution is as follows: Politicians are like diapers, once on too long they all begin to stink ao change often. As USA problems are not going to be solved by old political turf waring old frat democrats and republicans. Need more less corrupted Tea Party to put C on the move to progress and not just the same **** that is bringing USA o its knees. It's pretty obvious that you're a moron. The Republicans refused to fund the "shovel ready" FAA projects employing 70K workers, most of whom are in construction all because they can't stand that there is some waste somewhere else in the FAA budget. They would rather see 1000s unemployed and unable to pay their bills. The teabaggers are mostly dirtbags, with no long-term ideas, and with lots and lots of racist tendencies. Your buddies I'm sure. Nope, demcritters don't want change, they just want to do the same old corruption over and over again expecting different results. Fact is, democritters don't control congress and the idiots need to get used to it. Good part fleabaggr, is I don't have to pay much for this nonsense any more. ;) -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:18:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/08/2011 11:49 AM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:09:59 -0600, wrote: On 04/08/2011 5:57 AM, BeachBum wrote: On 8/4/2011 1:42 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:55:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:13:31 -0400, wrote: In , says... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/ Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think! Corporate America employs lots of Americans. ============ Yes, and lots of Americans are stockholders directly or indirectly. Who produce mostly nothing. But, it's ok for the Republicans to throw 70K people out of work because of a few airports that have subsidies. Speaking of airport subsidies, Repubs aren't the only ones stealing your money. Watch and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OEkg0XeD8 Fleabaggers want a do nothing but stagnation democrat government. Democrats refused to pass the bill....becuase it had changes in the same old stupid democratic ways. Pretty obvious the Tea Party is trying to make changes and democrats want the same old corrupt Washington DC. So every turn of change, the democrats become sticks in the mud. Lets hope in 2012, that any politicians in DC for more than 3 terms gets the boot. Demographically, it seems like in enough time, DC corrupts absolutely. So the solution is as follows: Politicians are like diapers, once on too long they all begin to stink ao change often. As USA problems are not going to be solved by old political turf waring old frat democrats and republicans. Need more less corrupted Tea Party to put C on the move to progress and not just the same **** that is bringing USA o its knees. It's pretty obvious that you're a moron. The Republicans refused to fund the "shovel ready" FAA projects employing 70K workers, most of whom are in construction all because they can't stand that there is some waste somewhere else in the FAA budget. They would rather see 1000s unemployed and unable to pay their bills. The teabaggers are mostly dirtbags, with no long-term ideas, and with lots and lots of racist tendencies. Your buddies I'm sure. Nope, demcritters don't want change, they just want to do the same old corruption over and over again expecting different results. Fact is, democritters don't control congress and the idiots need to get used to it. Good part fleabaggr, is I don't have to pay much for this nonsense any more. ;) Yup... you're an idiot/dirtbag. You never had to pay anything. You're a down and outer and always have been one. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/4/11 6:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Calls all week from bankers and investors seeking cash for investments....as I have too much cash. If you got calls from bankers, it was because they were calling in your $200 signature loans. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 04/08/2011 4:44 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/4/11 6:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Calls all week from bankers and investors seeking cash for investments....as I have too much cash. If you got calls from bankers, it was because they were calling in your $200 signature loans. Funny, just getting setup to get stocks cheap in 30 or 90 days. Just letting the fleabagger economists sell off with a grin. Because the reality is the market is over valued. The real cost of money is about 8% as near as I can figure. So at that, if I don't get 10% dividends or gains I cash out. So when the market hits 6000-8000 I will look for the good deals. If you have money, and I doubt you do. This is when the savvy starts researching good companies for 1 1/2 price sale coming up. Too early to jump in now, it would like be stopping a falling knife. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:08:35 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/08/2011 4:44 PM, X - Man wrote: On 8/4/11 6:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Calls all week from bankers and investors seeking cash for investments....as I have too much cash. If you got calls from bankers, it was because they were calling in your $200 signature loans. Funny, just getting setup to get stocks cheap in 30 or 90 days. Just letting the fleabagger economists sell off with a grin. Because the reality is the market is over valued. The real cost of money is about 8% as near as I can figure. So at that, if I don't get 10% dividends or gains I cash out. So when the market hits 6000-8000 I will look for the good deals. If you have money, and I doubt you do. This is when the savvy starts researching good companies for 1 1/2 price sale coming up. Too early to jump in now, it would like be stopping a falling knife. Give us a break! You don't have any money, and there's no prospect of any. You're a loser. You were always a loser, and you always will be a loser. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/4/11 7:08 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/08/2011 4:44 PM, X - Man wrote: On 8/4/11 6:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Calls all week from bankers and investors seeking cash for investments....as I have too much cash. If you got calls from bankers, it was because they were calling in your $200 signature loans. Funny, just getting setup to get stocks cheap in 30 or 90 days. Just letting the fleabagger economists sell off with a grin. Because the reality is the market is over valued. The real cost of money is about 8% as near as I can figure. So at that, if I don't get 10% dividends or gains I cash out. So when the market hits 6000-8000 I will look for the good deals. If you have money, and I doubt you do. This is when the savvy starts researching good companies for 1 1/2 price sale coming up. Too early to jump in now, it would like be stopping a falling knife. Except for one stock, I got out of the stock market some years ago. Corporations and their enablers on Wall Street are in the fraud business. Stocks are grossly overvalued, dividends are minimal, and you have to depend upon rising share prices to make a profit, not on how well a company performs. That's no better than gambling. There are far better ways to invest capital. |
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - Man
wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. It's ok. He's got plenty of quarters. I find *that* amusing. |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - Man wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 04/08/2011 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. I would keep those quarters. Silver, real money. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:02:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/08/2011 11:19 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. I would keep those quarters. Silver, real money. You would if you could afford it. I'm sure you've got your stash of quarters you use at the local McD's for coffee. Do the other customers complain about your odor? |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:04:12 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. I'm sure that'll be fine with Greg who lives in Florida. I'd love to see him try and drag 50 pounds worth of quarters through security. I wouldn't suggest trying to check the bag either. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:04:12 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. So, then when you said your quarters were not particularly good quality, you weren't giving us the full story? Who do you plan to sell them to? Who would buy them if they weren't good quality? How are you going to use the increase in the value of the silver? Sounds like you're just making stuff up and still hiding. The regular coinage that increases in value have collector value. You claimed these don't and you bought them for the silver value. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:04:12 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. Here's what you wrote in case you forgot: "These are not really collector grade coins. They have the worse than the normal wear you see on the ones in your pocket. I am sure they were picked over, looking for collectable dates, many times before they made it to the "melt weight" bag." So, how are you going to sell them for their "value"? |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/6/2011 3:02 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:04:12 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. Here's what you wrote in case you forgot: "These are not really collector grade coins. They have the worse than the normal wear you see on the ones in your pocket. I am sure they were picked over, looking for collectable dates, many times before they made it to the "melt weight" bag." So, how are you going to sell them for their "value"? Get educated: http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
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says... On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:04:12 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 05/08/2011 11:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0600, wrote: On 05/08/2011 12:39 AM, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:19:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:21:00 -0400, X - wrote: On 8/4/11 8:10 PM, wrote: You would have locked in that 12700 Dow and be grinning while you watched this crash from the sidelines. At some point, American small investors are going to realize the stock market is a fraud, and they'll look elsewhere to invest their retirement and savings assets. BTW, unlike you and Canuckles, I don't seen anything humorous about a stock slide. What it does is hurt small investors. Perhaps "grin" was a poor choice of words but it was clear to me that there was a serious correction coming when this debt thing started and I was relieved that I did not have to go down with that ship. I have cashed in most of my personally held equities and I reallocated my funds. I am going to sit on side for a while and wait for some positive news coming out of the economy before I get back in the market again. I have a feeling that might be a while. There may be a few trades that you can play with but I am not even willing to look at this mess right now. Things are far too uncertain and I don't see anything coming out if DC that is going to make that any better any time soon. That $5000 bag of quarters I keep getting **** about may easily go over $30,000 by Christmas. I hope not because that would imply the value of the dollar dropped significantly. Well, I'm sure your oracle-like traits are just kicking in. So, how are you going to cash in your $30K wealth? Perhaps illegally melt down the quarters? I'm still waiting for your reasoned response. How are you planning on separating the silver from the copper in that case? To whom do you expect to sell your quarters if not? Are you going to try and buy a car in quarters? No, I don't expect any reasoned response. Melt it. When he decides to sell, the buyer will cut 10 or 15%, factor in copper versus silver and decide the rate. It will not go down in value to the USD. So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. Here's what you wrote in case you forgot: "These are not really collector grade coins. They have the worse than the normal wear you see on the ones in your pocket. I am sure they were picked over, looking for collectable dates, many times before they made it to the "melt weight" bag." So, how are you going to sell them for their "value"? The rocks in my backyard have a value, however, I am not going to sell them. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 03:07:19 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:48:39 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote: So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. So, then when you said your quarters were not particularly good quality, you weren't giving us the full story? Who do you plan to sell them to? Who would buy them if they weren't good quality? How are you going to use the increase in the value of the silver? Sounds like you're just making stuff up and still hiding. The regular coinage that increases in value have collector value. You claimed these don't and you bought them for the silver value. It sounds like you don't have a clue. They trade at the equivalent melt weight of the silver quite easily. Maybe you should go try to buy some and see what you pay. BTW I am not "hiding", I am just not interested in wasting my time with you. And with good reason, as she's demonstrated in this very thread. Well done on the coins. My brother bought a few pounds of silver ingots about twenty years ago. Then the bottom dropped out of the silver market. Now he's glad he held on to them. |
Corporate America Pays a Lot Less in Taxes Than You Think!
On 8/6/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 03:07:19 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:48:39 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:44:05 -0400, wrote: So, again you're advocating breaking the law. Typical little **** response. Not at all, it is legal in Mexico and Canada. Nobody melts these coins to extract the silver. "melt weight" is just an indication of how much silver is there to peg the price I guess plum thinks people have to melt, Eagles, Maple Leafs or Kruggerrands to get their money out of them too. So, then when you said your quarters were not particularly good quality, you weren't giving us the full story? Who do you plan to sell them to? Who would buy them if they weren't good quality? How are you going to use the increase in the value of the silver? Sounds like you're just making stuff up and still hiding. The regular coinage that increases in value have collector value. You claimed these don't and you bought them for the silver value. It sounds like you don't have a clue. They trade at the equivalent melt weight of the silver quite easily. Maybe you should go try to buy some and see what you pay. BTW I am not "hiding", I am just not interested in wasting my time with you. And with good reason, as she's demonstrated in this very thread. Well done on the coins. My brother bought a few pounds of silver ingots about twenty years ago. Then the bottom dropped out of the silver market. Now he's glad he held on to them. Who would buy the coins if you wanted to sell. I did a quick search and came up with pawn shops and an on line buyer where you send the coins and he sends money. Scam or legitimate? |
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