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does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails?
I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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One of the things that struck me in the couple of days after the
September 11th attacks was the lack of vapor trails in the sky. Given the routes that commercial aircraft take it might be hard to find someplace without vapor trails - antarctica maybe? While I usually find vapor trails a visual blemish I do have fond memories of paddling in a cypress swamp a few years ago when the Blue Angles were practicing above. The dichotomy between paddling a canoe in the swamp, something that harkens back thousands of years, and seeing modern jet fighters streaking overhead in precision flight was striking. (William R. Watt) wrote in message ... does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. |
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In article , William R. Watt wrote:
does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. Helsinki Sky is most of time quite clear. I finally noticed this myself when I saw a group of japanese tourist staring at the sky in awe. The sky was indeed unblemished, unformly blue from horizon to horizon, not having even a trace of regular yellowish smog so common elsewhere. Vapour trails are uncommon, because airport is close and there is not much traffic passing by. |
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Mike McCrea wrote:
One of the things that struck me in the couple of days after the September 11th attacks was the lack of vapor trails in the sky. Given the routes that commercial aircraft take it might be hard to find someplace without vapor trails - antarctica maybe? California's north coast has very few vapor trails overhead, and can be paddled year-round on some river or creek somewhere. There are flights between California cities and Portland or Seattle, but not ultra frequently, and vapor trails quickly move eastward away from the coast. Might be difficult finding a clear day in winter, though! ;-) |
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William R. Watt wrote:
does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. There's progress for you. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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William R. Watt wrote:
does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? Timo has the basic idea: live/paddle in an area that's not on a great circle between popular tourist/business locations. I have the bittersweet location of having the entire north Maine woods as my playground, yet it's on about a dozen great circles that connect New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec, etc. with nearly all of Europe. From 5-9 a.m. it's Europe headed for North America while from 7 - 10 p.m. it's North America headed for Europe. Fun with a small telescope to pick out the insignia (insigniae?) of various aircraft - but inimical to the basic purpose for being in the woods to begin with. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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I agree with Bill Tuthill, There are places in Northern California
with few contrails. But the bottom line is that wilderness really is a "state of mind" for me, trash and noise totally destroy wilderness but an occasional vapor trail (or seeing a satellite at night for that matter) doesn't really destroy it for me. Randy |
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On 1/11/04 15:46, in article , "William R.
Watt" wrote: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned Here on Oregon's central coast we seldom see vapor trails. We do see the U. S. Coast Guard's patrolling helicopters with great frequency. I am happy that the helicopters are here. The vapor trails don't bother me. They remind me that modern technology allows me to visit wilderness around the world in very little time for very little money relative to 50 years ago. Are you paddling a true bark-boat or skin-on-frame boat? If not, accept the contrail as a sign of current times. |
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"William R. Watt" wrote in message ... does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned Look at this way. You're paddling and they're not. I think of them as really big honkers flying high. |
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its u.f.o.'s ... what, you didnt know that?
j "wpatrick" wrote in message ... On 1/11/04 15:46, in article , "William R. Watt" wrote: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned Here on Oregon's central coast we seldom see vapor trails. We do see the U. S. Coast Guard's patrolling helicopters with great frequency. I am happy that the helicopters are here. The vapor trails don't bother me. They remind me that modern technology allows me to visit wilderness around the world in very little time for very little money relative to 50 years ago. Are you paddling a true bark-boat or skin-on-frame boat? If not, accept the contrail as a sign of current times. |
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Pete H
Actually the North Atlantic Tracks change daily depending on wind, turbulence and the number of tracks needed to accommodate traffic. Since most of them originate and terminate from an area about 50 miles north and south and about 30 miles east of Gander what you are seeing is the traffic routed to join the tracks. I'll wave the next time I pass overhead. Ron Donahue "Peter H" wrote in message ... William R. Watt wrote: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? Timo has the basic idea: live/paddle in an area that's not on a great circle between popular tourist/business locations. I have the bittersweet location of having the entire north Maine woods as my playground, yet it's on about a dozen great circles that connect New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec, etc. with nearly all of Europe. From 5-9 a.m. it's Europe headed for North America while from 7 - 10 p.m. it's North America headed for Europe. Fun with a small telescope to pick out the insignia (insigniae?) of various aircraft - but inimical to the basic purpose for being in the woods to begin with. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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Ronald Donahue wrote:
Pete H Actually the North Atlantic Tracks change daily depending on wind, turbulence and the number of tracks needed to accommodate traffic. Since most of them originate and terminate from an area about 50 miles north and south and about 30 miles east of Gander what you are seeing is the traffic routed to join the tracks. I'll wave the next time I pass overhead. Ron Donahue Ron, Some flights are nearly NE-SW but the majority appear to be very close to true E-W as they fly over. I'll have the coffee pot on, roughly from last of April till end of November. I'm lucky enough to average 45-50 nights a year in the Maine woods. If I can retire @ 62.5, in 2005, I'll be in there guiding folks & having a great time much more often. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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Why do we have so many spectacular sunsets? I do not remember pretty sunsets happening with much frequency 30 or 35 years ago. Polution, I supose. -Dan (Who needs a spell checker) On 11 Jan 2004 23:46:42 GMT, (William R. Watt) wrote: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Dan Valleskey wrote:
Why do we have so many spectacular sunsets? I do not remember pretty sunsets happening with much frequency 30 or 35 years ago. Polution, I supose. After Krakatoa exploded in the 1880's the entire world saw a dramatic increase in the number of "spectacular sunsets" and this lasted for several years - just from a single event. We haven't had any major erruptions for a bit, so there's likely a broad interplay of factors starting with your location & the prevailing winds. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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Another angle: Jet scouting.
Been to the UK twice in the last two months - just got back again yesterday. This last trip was a real window gazer. First trips went over Maine and then over St. Johns to the London. But the return on this one was the one I was waiting for: The London to Minneapolis great circle route. It took us over NE Scotland, the tip of Greenland, over Northern Labrador, across the James Bay and then Northern Ontario. The weather was gorgeous - clear and sunny. I sat glued to the window mumbling about the rivers and interesting spots and scribbling rough drawings to look up later of places I would like to visit. Coming in from James Bay, you suddenly hit the northern most edge of the areas of clear cutting. The East side of Nippigon is essentially all whacked down, and many many areas there are lakes surrounded by just a "clown fringe" of trees with the entire forest around it totally cut down. But the rivers were spectacular. The snow really highlighted the surface features, making the elevation and terrain differences stand out. It was awesome. Someone should make arrangements to strap video cameras to the underside of planes and sell the reconnaissance data. I would be a buyer in a heartbeat. And if one knew the weather conditions were going to be good and the route known, I would buy a cheapie ticket just to do it all over again Blakely Ronald Donahue wrote: Pete H Actually the North Atlantic Tracks change daily depending on wind, turbulence and the number of tracks needed to accommodate traffic. Since most of them originate and terminate from an area about 50 miles north and south and about 30 miles east of Gander what you are seeing is the traffic routed to join the tracks. I'll wave the next time I pass overhead. Ron Donahue "Peter H" wrote in message ... William R. Watt wrote: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? Timo has the basic idea: live/paddle in an area that's not on a great circle between popular tourist/business locations. I have the bittersweet location of having the entire north Maine woods as my playground, yet it's on about a dozen great circles that connect New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec, etc. with nearly all of Europe. From 5-9 a.m. it's Europe headed for North America while from 7 - 10 p.m. it's North America headed for Europe. Fun with a small telescope to pick out the insignia (insigniae?) of various aircraft - but inimical to the basic purpose for being in the woods to begin with. Pete H -- When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. C. Abrams |
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Someone should make arrangements to strap video cameras to the underside of planes and sell the reconnaissance data. I would be a buyer in a heartbeat. How much you willing to pay? We have a video camera under our C130..... --Chris |
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First choice of course would be to ride along, depending upon route.
As a reasonably talented engineer with a background in R&D instrument design, I would offer my services in exchange for a ride along and a copy of the tapes. Blakely Chris Webster wrote: Someone should make arrangements to strap video cameras to the underside of planes and sell the reconnaissance data. I would be a buyer in a heartbeat. How much you willing to pay? We have a video camera under our C130..... --Chris |
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Blakely LaCroix wrote:
First choice of course would be to ride along, depending upon route. Tropics in the summer and the poles in the winter.... As a reasonably talented engineer with a background in R&D instrument design, I would offer my services in exchange for a ride along and a copy of the tapes. Darn, we just had a job opening a year ago. New cameras will be jpg @ 1 frame per second, you can just ftp them.... --Chris |
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Chris;
Any of this data externally accessible to interested civilian parties? Blakely Chris Webster wrote: Blakely LaCroix wrote: First choice of course would be to ride along, depending upon route. Tropics in the summer and the poles in the winter.... As a reasonably talented engineer with a background in R&D instrument design, I would offer my services in exchange for a ride along and a copy of the tapes. Darn, we just had a job opening a year ago. New cameras will be jpg @ 1 frame per second, you can just ftp them.... --Chris |
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William R. Watt wrote:
: does anybody paddle where there are no vapour trails? : I was born before there were any jet aircraft. I never used to see vapour : trails. Now I see them everywhere I go. It just doesn't seem like : wilderness when I look up and see vapour trails. Well, here's my contribution (http://www.chicagopaddling.org); No, it's not a fast-moving river, it's not even a natural stream, but the Hennepin Canal offers something that most waterways in Illinois can't, quiet. This canal runs across Illinois from Bureau, IL (where the Illinois River turns south) to the Rock River (near Moline,IL). There is also a feeder canal that offers 30+ miles of no portage travel between Rock Falls,IL and the Hennepin Visitors center. The Hennepin canal is slow moving brown water. The sections near the locks have a little bit of current, farther away from the locks there is not really any current at all. The water is covered with swirls of algae. Birds are everywhere. Great Blue Herons are quite common. There are so many waterbugs on the water, that it almost looks like rain as they dance from spot to spot, searching for food on the water. Portage at the locks is a bit tricky as they don't have sand or dirt beaches and you have to guess where the tall grass ends and the water begins, but you know real quick if you made a mistake. The state maintains the canal at about 5 feet deep. Every once in a while you'll see a small concrete structure near the edge of the canal. These are siphons that drain off the water from the canal to keep it from overflowing. Many creeks are in the area, and the water is siphoned off into them to help keep the canal within its banks. Completed too late to become a major canal, the canal was too shallow and too narrow for the larger barges that now travel the Illinois River thanks to Chicago's Ship and Sanitary Canal. Unlike the I&M Canal, this was never a sanitary canal! Some sections of the canal are excavated, but most have levies on each side. The ground is sometimes overgrown on the edges so that the edges are hard to see (when biking with my scout group earlier this year, my son rode off the edge, when the scout behind him saw him disappear, he tried to stop, but ended up in a thorn bush at the bottom of the 6-8 foot drop, my son managed to stay on his bike and rode back up the hill about 30 feet away). In some places, the canal is close enough to I-80 to hear cars, but in most places, all you hear is wind. -- John Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell) |
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