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John H[_2_] July 18th 11 05:52 PM

New laptop...
 
....thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


iBoat big July 18th 11 06:55 PM

New laptop...
 
In article ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

Lenovo makes good stuff.

Wayne B July 18th 11 07:05 PM

New laptop...
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:52:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


====

It depends how you want to use it. My first reaction is that it's a
bit large and heavy for a travel computer but if you're not going to
be carrying it around through airports and on planes that doesn't
matter so much. It certainly has a lot of memory and power, coupled
with a large screen.

If you want a small lightweight laptop you'd probably be happier with
on of the Dell Inspirons. I have one that I purchased several years
ago for about $500 that is fully loaded with features like a built in
GPS, television receiver and long life battery (about 5 hours). My
only gripe with it is the relatively small screen size of about 10
inches but that's what makes it small and light.

My boat laptops are Panasonic CF-29 Toughbooks that I purchased
off-lease for around $350 each. They are practically armor plated but
are definitely on the heavy side for a travel computer. There are
some really funny Youtube videos about Toughbook laptops if you do a
search. My favorite is the one where a guy complains that the screen
is dirty so he takes it over to the sink and starts washing it under
running water while he is still browsing the web. They are definitely
good boat computers.


Harryk July 18th 11 07:20 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/18/11 12:52 PM, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6



Made in the People's Republic of China, but they do have a decent
reputation. Kind of heavy for a laptop if you are planning to carry it
around. When you add in the power supply, you're probably close to nine
pounds.

John H[_2_] July 18th 11 07:31 PM

New laptop...
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:55:46 -0400, iBoat big wrote:

In article ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


Lenovo makes good stuff.


Thanks!

John H[_2_] July 18th 11 07:41 PM

New laptop...
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:05:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:52:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


====

It depends how you want to use it. My first reaction is that it's a
bit large and heavy for a travel computer but if you're not going to
be carrying it around through airports and on planes that doesn't
matter so much. It certainly has a lot of memory and power, coupled
with a large screen.

If you want a small lightweight laptop you'd probably be happier with
on of the Dell Inspirons. I have one that I purchased several years
ago for about $500 that is fully loaded with features like a built in
GPS, television receiver and long life battery (about 5 hours). My
only gripe with it is the relatively small screen size of about 10
inches but that's what makes it small and light.

My boat laptops are Panasonic CF-29 Toughbooks that I purchased
off-lease for around $350 each. They are practically armor plated but
are definitely on the heavy side for a travel computer. There are
some really funny Youtube videos about Toughbook laptops if you do a
search. My favorite is the one where a guy complains that the screen
is dirty so he takes it over to the sink and starts washing it under
running water while he is still browsing the web. They are definitely
good boat computers.


I don't worry about weight. The more it weighs, the more calories I'll burn carrying it. That
Panasonic Toughbook costs too damn much.

I like the big screen, but I'm not happy about the battery life. I guess it takes a lot to power
that screen. Usually I'll have a 120v socket nearby. Don't need it for the boat. Know my way around
my 'fishin' holes' pretty well, and the GPS helps. I may even dig out a chart every now and then!

iBoat big July 18th 11 08:13 PM

New laptop...
 
In article ,
says...

On 7/18/11 12:52 PM, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6



Made in the People's Republic of China, but they do have a decent
reputation. Kind of heavy for a laptop if you are planning to carry it
around. When you add in the power supply, you're probably close to nine
pounds.


I guess to some people, carrying nine pounds IS extreme......

iBoat big July 18th 11 08:14 PM

New laptop...
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:05:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:52:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

====

It depends how you want to use it. My first reaction is that it's a
bit large and heavy for a travel computer but if you're not going to
be carrying it around through airports and on planes that doesn't
matter so much. It certainly has a lot of memory and power, coupled
with a large screen.

If you want a small lightweight laptop you'd probably be happier with
on of the Dell Inspirons. I have one that I purchased several years
ago for about $500 that is fully loaded with features like a built in
GPS, television receiver and long life battery (about 5 hours). My
only gripe with it is the relatively small screen size of about 10
inches but that's what makes it small and light.

My boat laptops are Panasonic CF-29 Toughbooks that I purchased
off-lease for around $350 each. They are practically armor plated but
are definitely on the heavy side for a travel computer. There are
some really funny Youtube videos about Toughbook laptops if you do a
search. My favorite is the one where a guy complains that the screen
is dirty so he takes it over to the sink and starts washing it under
running water while he is still browsing the web. They are definitely
good boat computers.


I don't worry about weight. The more it weighs, the more calories I'll burn carrying it. That
Panasonic Toughbook costs too damn much.

I like the big screen, but I'm not happy about the battery life. I guess it takes a lot to power
that screen. Usually I'll have a 120v socket nearby. Don't need it for the boat. Know my way around
my 'fishin' holes' pretty well, and the GPS helps. I may even dig out a chart every now and then!


I like Toshiba laptops.

Canuck57[_9_] July 18th 11 08:26 PM

New laptop...
 
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:
In ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

Lenovo makes good stuff.


Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!

Harryk July 18th 11 08:32 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:
In ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

Lenovo makes good stuff.


Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.



Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified Chinese: 联
想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī) is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.

Wayne B July 18th 11 08:47 PM

New laptop...
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:41:46 -0400, John H
wrote:

That
Panasonic Toughbook costs too damn much.


Yes, very expensive when purchased new. The best deals are on the
ones coming off a corporate lease. They are usually in excellent
condition and come with some sort of warranty. If you want heavy and
rugged, you can't beat a Toughbook.

http://www.bobjohnson.com/laptop-phrases/used_panasonic_toughbooks_laptops.htm

Bob Johnson runs a reputable operation.


Harryk July 18th 11 09:05 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/18/11 3:32 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:
In ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

Lenovo makes good stuff.


Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.



Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified Chinese: 联
想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī) is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.


We announced an agreement with Lenovo that creates a powerful new leader
in the PC industry. Lenovo will acquire IBM’s Personal Computing
Division and create a new company that will bring the strengths of IBM’s
legendary PC business together with those of Lenovo, that will employ
19,000 people and provide the widest range of PC products and
technologies to businesses, worldwide.

The agreement includes a broad-based, strategic marketing alliance under
which Lenovo will receive sales and marketing support from IBM, and
Lenovo’s products will be integrated into IBM Global Services offerings.

Important for all customers of IBM to know: IBM will provide warranty
service and support and financing and leasing options for PC products
from the new Lenovo. IBM will take an ownership stake of 18.9 percent in
Lenovo, and it will purchase PCs for its own employees from Lenovo as well.

With this agreement, Lenovo becomes the world’s third-largest PC company
and a key, strategic IBM business partner. Lenovo will have all of the
strengths of IBM’s existing PC division, including research,
development, design, and manufacturing capabilities.

anora July 19th 11 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harryk (Post 880055)
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:
In ,
says...

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

Lenovo makes good stuff.


Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.



Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified Chinese: 联
想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī) is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.

Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...

Harryk July 19th 11 02:02 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified Chinese: 联

想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.


Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...





I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing finished
products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't easy, but it
is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does, I suppose,
every other personal computer, but at least it was assembled elsewhere
and has content from elsewhere.





Florida Jim July 19th 11 02:31 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: 联

想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.


Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...





I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.

Harryk July 19th 11 03:18 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 9:31 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: 联

想集团有限公司; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n gōngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.

Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...





I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.



Mexico isn't the PRC.

Florida Jim July 19th 11 03:48 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/2011 10:18 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 9:31 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:


. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.



Mexico isn't the PRC.


I guess I'm going to have to dumb id down for you. Get it now?

Harryk July 19th 11 03:49 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 10:48 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 10:18 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 9:31 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:


. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.



Mexico isn't the PRC.


I guess I'm going to have to dumb id down for you. Get it now?



Your "id" is about as dumb as "id" gets.

Florida Jim July 19th 11 03:54 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/2011 10:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 10:48 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 10:18 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 9:31 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:


. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.


Mexico isn't the PRC.


I guess I'm going to have to dumb id down for you. Get it now?



Your "id" is about as dumb as "id" gets.

You have my permission to correct my typo.

John H[_2_] July 19th 11 04:06 PM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:33:58 +0100, anora wrote:


Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.


Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...


Thanks for the input.

John H[_2_] July 19th 11 04:10 PM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:31:53 -0400, Florida Jim wrote:

On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.

Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...





I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.


I expect the Chinese buy the components from Mexico, Taiwan, and themselves just like Dell, Apple,
HP, etc.

I can't understand why anyone pushing for a Chinese style government here would object to 'finished
products' coming from China.

Harryk July 19th 11 04:15 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 11:10 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:31:53 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.

Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...





I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.


I expect the Chinese buy the components from Mexico, Taiwan, and themselves just like Dell, Apple,
HP, etc.

I can't understand why anyone pushing for a Chinese style government here would object to 'finished
products' coming from China.



Indeed, the Chinese government closely resembles what the fans of
Christian theocracy want for this country.

Florida Jim July 19th 11 04:16 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/2011 11:10 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:31:53 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.
Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...




I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.

I expect the Chinese buy the components from Mexico, Taiwan, and themselves just like Dell, Apple,
HP, etc.

I can't understand why anyone pushing for a Chinese style government here would object to 'finished
products' coming from China.

You know Harry. Mr object to everything. It's not always in black or
white as he would like it to be.

Harryk July 19th 11 04:24 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 11:16 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 11:10 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:31:53 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n
g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.
Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...




I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.

I expect the Chinese buy the components from Mexico, Taiwan, and
themselves just like Dell, Apple,
HP, etc.

I can't understand why anyone pushing for a Chinese style government
here would object to 'finished
products' coming from China.

You know Harry. Mr object to everything. It's not always in black or
white as he would like it to be.



I'm fascinated by the hypocrisy of righties, who claim to be
anti-communist but drop their objections to communism when it comes to
products manufactured in a communist country.

I'll just bet that piggy slob of a broadcaster, Flush Limbaugh, smokes
cuban communist cigars.





Tim July 19th 11 11:56 PM

New laptop...
 
On Jul 18, 11:52*am, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

John H[_2_] July 20th 11 01:58 AM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jul 18, 11:52*am, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.


The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

Tim July 20th 11 02:22 AM

New laptop...
 
On Jul 19, 7:58*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?


http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.


The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.


hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....

Harryk July 20th 11 02:31 AM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?


http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.


The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.


hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?



jps July 20th 11 06:11 AM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.


hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


You don't need or want Vista, install Win7 instead. If the computer
is current, there's no way it'd be delivered with Vista.

jps July 20th 11 06:18 AM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:24:22 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/19/11 11:16 AM, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/19/2011 11:10 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:31:53 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/19/2011 9:02 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 4:33 AM, anora wrote:
Harryk;880055 Wrote:
On 7/18/11 3:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:-
On 18/07/2011 11:55 AM, iBoat big wrote:-
In ,
says...-

...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6-

Lenovo makes good stuff.-

Lenova used to be IBM before IBM sold them off.-


Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) (simplified
Chinese: ?

想集团有?公?; pinyin: Liánxiǎng j*tuán yǒuxi*n
g?ngsī)
is a Chinese
multinational computer technology corporation.
Hey...

I personally use this laptop and found it very good. its all features
are very good. Specially battery timing is reliable...




I didn't comment on the quality of the Lenovo products, I commented on
their place of manufacture. Some of us try to avoid purchasing
finished products made in the People's Republic of China. It isn't
easy, but it is possible. My Apple iMac has some PRC content, as does,
I suppose, every other personal computer, but at least it was
assembled elsewhere and has content from elsewhere.




Hacho en Mexico. Ole Ole.
I expect the Chinese buy the components from Mexico, Taiwan, and
themselves just like Dell, Apple,
HP, etc.

I can't understand why anyone pushing for a Chinese style government
here would object to 'finished
products' coming from China.

You know Harry. Mr object to everything. It's not always in black or
white as he would like it to be.



I'm fascinated by the hypocrisy of righties, who claim to be
anti-communist but drop their objections to communism when it comes to
products manufactured in a communist country.

I'll just bet that piggy slob of a broadcaster, Flush Limbaugh, smokes
cuban communist cigars.


Along with cuban viagra and oxycontin.

[email protected] July 20th 11 06:36 AM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:11:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


You don't need or want Vista, install Win7 instead. If the computer
is current, there's no way it'd be delivered with Vista.


I've been using Win7 Pro for quite a while now, and I really like it.
Very stable like XP Pro, and it's easier. It does take some getting
used to but not like Vista.

jps July 20th 11 07:59 AM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:36:28 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:11:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....

Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


You don't need or want Vista, install Win7 instead. If the computer
is current, there's no way it'd be delivered with Vista.


I've been using Win7 Pro for quite a while now, and I really like it.
Very stable like XP Pro, and it's easier. It does take some getting
used to but not like Vista.


Vista was a resource hog, having to support the technical bridge from
XP forward. Win7 has lost all the extraneous, unneccesary crud. It's
much lighter and faster than Vista and closer in stability to XP.

I've been running 7 pro ultimate for about a year and find it very
stable.

Harryk July 20th 11 11:11 AM

New laptop...
 
On 7/20/11 1:36 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:11:30 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....

Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


You don't need or want Vista, install Win7 instead. If the computer
is current, there's no way it'd be delivered with Vista.


I've been using Win7 Pro for quite a while now, and I really like it.
Very stable like XP Pro, and it's easier. It does take some getting
used to but not like Vista.



My wife's new home desktop computer came with some flavor of Win 7, but
other than installing some software on it for her, I've managed to avoid
using it. She's also got an ancient HP laptop running XP, but only uses
that to pull in email when she travels. It's a clunker and I think I'm
going to get her to donate it to some organization and get her an iPad
III when it comes out, or maybe a netbook. Her laptop weighs about 8
pounds with the powerpack. The iPads weigh next to nothing.

Harryk July 20th 11 11:32 AM

New laptop...
 
On 7/19/11 11:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


Are they talking about Microsoft's infamous "upgrade to a more
familiar version" (AKA removing Vista and installing XP).
My wife had her vendor do that with all the new machines in her office
that came with Vista.

BTW Microsoft may not be enforcing that "you can't swap machines
without calling us" thing on XP pro anymore.

I just installed my retail XP pro that was on a machine that died into
another one and expected I would have to call the 800 number, for the
3d degree before they would authenticate it (like the olden days) but
it sailed right through the online okey dokey, passed the microsoft
"legal OS" test and let me download the new media player.



My wife's new desktop computer came with Win 7 and had a small amount of
non-Microsoft Windows "crapware" on it, which I was able to remove
without incident. There are a handful of varieties of Win 7, and you can
upgrade from one to another by paying a fee, but I didn't see anything
that let you downgrade from Win 7 to XP.


Harryk July 20th 11 01:33 PM

New laptop...
 
In article ,
says...

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.


hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


Spoofer alert! Any moron would know it will run just fine when a better
operating system, ie: Win7 is installed. Vista sucks.

John H[_2_] July 20th 11 01:48 PM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:22:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jul 19, 7:58*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John H wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?


http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6


My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.


The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.


hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


No, I thought you meant that advertising crap that comes loaded on most new computers. I'm not too
bright, as you can tell.

The two I'm looking at now both have Windows 7.

They are the one above and this one: http://tinyurl.com/3s8nrxw

They're both the same price, but the Lenovo has a few more features, like Blu-Ray DVD, bigger hard
drive, more RAM, one more USB port and a 5-in-1 card reader, and what appears to be a nicer keypad.

A friend has a Lenovo he bought in 2007. Uses it in his garage. Loves it.

I'm leaning that way.

John H[_2_] July 20th 11 01:51 PM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:16:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25. Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....


Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


Are they talking about Microsoft's infamous "upgrade to a more
familiar version" (AKA removing Vista and installing XP).
My wife had her vendor do that with all the new machines in her office
that came with Vista.

BTW Microsoft may not be enforcing that "you can't swap machines
without calling us" thing on XP pro anymore.

I just installed my retail XP pro that was on a machine that died into
another one and expected I would have to call the 800 number, for the
3d degree before they would authenticate it (like the olden days) but
it sailed right through the online okey dokey, passed the microsoft
"legal OS" test and let me download the new media player.


No, I was talking about all the ad **** that comes pre-loaded on new machines. Tim had made a typo,
which got me on a different track. Both machines I'm looking at come with Windows 7 - not that piece
of crap Vista.

Harry is just being....Harry. (That's plenty of name-calling right there!!)

Florida Jim July 20th 11 01:56 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/20/2011 6:11 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/20/11 1:36 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:11:30 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does
everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's
had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in
warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a
call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25.
Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very
clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....

Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that
computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista)
for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?

You don't need or want Vista, install Win7 instead. If the computer
is current, there's no way it'd be delivered with Vista.


I've been using Win7 Pro for quite a while now, and I really like it.
Very stable like XP Pro, and it's easier. It does take some getting
used to but not like Vista.



My wife's new home desktop computer came with some flavor of Win 7,
but other than installing some software on it for her, I've managed to
avoid using it. She's also got an ancient HP laptop running XP, but
only uses that to pull in email when she travels. It's a clunker and I
think I'm going to get her to donate it to some organization and get
her an iPad III when it comes out, or maybe a netbook. Her laptop
weighs about 8 pounds with the powerpack. The iPads weigh next to
nothing.

Two windows machines in the house? Kind of throws the phrase "I only
post with a Mac *out the window*" Snerk.

Wayne B July 20th 11 01:59 PM

New laptop...
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:16:51 -0400, wrote:

BTW Microsoft may not be enforcing that "you can't swap machines
without calling us" thing on XP pro anymore.

I just installed my retail XP pro that was on a machine that died into
another one and expected I would have to call the 800 number, for the
3d degree before they would authenticate it (like the olden days) but
it sailed right through the online okey dokey, passed the microsoft
"legal OS" test and let me download the new media player.


I think MS came to their senses and is only screening for blatant
abuses such as many different machines on the same license key. The
vast majority of people calling the 800 number had legitimate issues.


Florida Jim July 20th 11 02:00 PM

New laptop...
 
On 7/20/2011 6:32 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/19/11 11:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:31:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/19/11 9:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:58 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:52 am, John wrote:
...thinking about this one. Any input? Anyone ever heard of it?

http://tinyurl.com/4xhpyk6

My wife has one and it's a nice machine, but it is heavy. and it's
also loaded with Visa, which is kind of a pain, but it does
everything
she needs it for, which is a lot more than what i need. She's had no
problem with the machine itself, but the battery died w/in warranty,
and who ever she bought it from sent her one out promptly and a call
tag to send the defective one back shipping paid both ways.

The Geek Squad at Best Buys will remove all that stuff for $25.
Not sure if they'll work on any
computer, or if it has to be bought there. My wife's was very
clean when she brought it home.

hmmm, I said 'Visa" when I meant "Vista" just now caught it. but you
knew what I meant, I'm sure....

Let's see...Tim's wife's computer was loaded with Visa, which "is kind
of a pain..." Visa, aka Vista, is the operating system on that
computer.

Herring says the Best Buy boys will remove "all that stuff" (Vista) for
$25.

I wonder what parts of the operating system the Best Buy boys will
remove, and how well the computer will run without them?


Are they talking about Microsoft's infamous "upgrade to a more
familiar version" (AKA removing Vista and installing XP).
My wife had her vendor do that with all the new machines in her office
that came with Vista.

BTW Microsoft may not be enforcing that "you can't swap machines
without calling us" thing on XP pro anymore.

I just installed my retail XP pro that was on a machine that died into
another one and expected I would have to call the 800 number, for the
3d degree before they would authenticate it (like the olden days) but
it sailed right through the online okey dokey, passed the microsoft
"legal OS" test and let me download the new media player.



My wife's new desktop computer came with Win 7 and had a small amount
of non-Microsoft Windows "crapware" on it, which I was able to remove
without incident. There are a handful of varieties of Win 7, and you
can upgrade from one to another by paying a fee, but I didn't see
anything that let you downgrade from Win 7 to XP.


He's not talking about downgrading from Windows 7, crap for brains.
Learn to read.


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