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tools, tools, and more tools. what nonsense. paddle a kayak that's degined
for safe operation and forget the tools nonsense. there are plenty of ways
to design and build safe kayaks that aren't used by mass producers of kayaks
because they don't fit the gung ho marketing strategies that sell kayaks
to you people. you can have speed, or you can have safety and comfort.
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"Rick" ) writes:

In the world of Watt, an outrigger is not a sponson and thus, cannot add
stability to a hull. Look it up in the Journal Of Irreproduceable Results.
It is the chapter just after the one on cold fusion.

A sliding seat is better than an outrigger, which is why sliding seats are
used on sailing canoes. If you have some sort of esthetic objection to
sponsons you could try figuring out how to get a (laterally) sliding seat
to work on a kayak. Another technique is ballast. Again, sailing canoes
use heavy removable metal centreboards. I haven't seen them on kayaks but
they would work. The problem with kayakers is they are boxed in by their
own lack of creativity. There's nothing creative about the simple boring
act of paddling a kayak which is why it appeals to a certain class of
people as a recreational activity. Its an escape from a more challenging
reality.

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On 27-Oct-2003, (William R. Watt) wrote:

Again, sailing canoes
use heavy removable metal centreboards. I haven't seen them on kayaks but
they would work. The problem with kayakers is they are boxed in by their
own lack of creativity.

Your ignorance is showing again (why am I not surprised?).

Peter Bray used a kayak with a fin keel on his trans-Atlantic crossing.
John Winters, a canoe and kayak designer, has experimented with adjustable
fin keels on kayaks as well. The problem is that the fin needs to be
placed under the seat and adjusting it is painful. Daggerboards are used
on sailing kayaks.

Until you actually know something (anything!) about kayaks, please
keep your ignorance to yourself.

Mike

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On 27-Oct-2003, (William R. Watt) wrote:

there are plenty of ways
to design and build safe kayaks that aren't used by mass producers of kayaks
because they don't fit the gung ho marketing strategies that sell kayaks
to you people

Perhaps you could enlighten us on what would make a safer kayak.

Mike

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Mary Malmros wrote in
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"Michael Daly" writes:

On 26-Oct-2003, Mary Malmros wrote:

a stirrup is just another tool.

Which indicates there is a more serious problem.

So why doesn't someone who needs a paddle float -- which is JUST
ANOTHER TOOL -- also have a "more serious problem"?


A paddle is just another tool. Anyone that can't hand roll shouldn't kayak.

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John Fereira writes:

Mary Malmros wrote in
:

"Michael Daly" writes:

On 26-Oct-2003, Mary Malmros wrote:

a stirrup is just another tool.

Which indicates there is a more serious problem.

So why doesn't someone who needs a paddle float -- which is JUST
ANOTHER TOOL -- also have a "more serious problem"?


A paddle is just another tool. Anyone that can't hand roll shouldn't kayak.

A hand is just another tool. Anyone who needs _hands_ to roll
should stay on the shore, dammit.

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Other days you're the bug.

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Mary Malmros wrote in
:

John Fereira writes:

Mary Malmros wrote in
:

"Michael Daly" writes:

On 26-Oct-2003, Mary Malmros wrote:

a stirrup is just another tool.

Which indicates there is a more serious problem.

So why doesn't someone who needs a paddle float -- which is JUST
ANOTHER TOOL -- also have a "more serious problem"?


A paddle is just another tool. Anyone that can't hand roll shouldn't
kayak.

A hand is just another tool. Anyone who needs _hands_ to roll
should stay on the shore, dammit.


A head is just another tool. Anyone that doesn't use it should not get into
a kayak.

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John Fereira writes:

Mary Malmros wrote in
:

John Fereira writes:

Mary Malmros wrote in
:

"Michael Daly" writes:

On 26-Oct-2003, Mary Malmros wrote:

a stirrup is just another tool.

Which indicates there is a more serious problem.

So why doesn't someone who needs a paddle float -- which is JUST
ANOTHER TOOL -- also have a "more serious problem"?


A paddle is just another tool. Anyone that can't hand roll shouldn't
kayak.

A hand is just another tool. Anyone who needs _hands_ to roll
should stay on the shore, dammit.


A head is just another tool. Anyone that doesn't use it should not get into
a kayak.

A kayak is just another tool. Anyone who needs one to kayak
should...um...

Never mind.

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"Mary Malmros" wrote in message
Never mind.


Matter is really just another tool... Oh, no matter.

Ommmmm ;-)

Parham.

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"Eddy Rapid" typed:

"Mary Malmros" wrote in message
Never mind.


Matter is really just another tool... Oh, no matter.

Ommmmm ;-)

Parham.


Ummmmm... what's the matter with you?


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When/if I capsize on solo deep water I hope to avoid
the exit & remount routine.
My eskimo roll never got bombproof so I developed a
no-exit approach: carry a slim paddlefloat under
front deck bungies and learn to put it on while
upside down, still in the kayak.
Please check http://www.paddlefloats.com.
Regards
Clas Kayaker