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Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche. we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got us into a war...NONE of which they paid for. but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class. The government requires excess wages in any government contract. meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit. you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST SPENDERS IN HISTORY Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy? none. none at all...BUT wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997 and 2007 HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so he blames the WORKING POOR We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing but he ignores that. see a pattern here? blame the worker blame the poor dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever ever. right wing bull****. Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what we find: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the number of employees per capita, vs bush!! so this means the right winger is full of ****, right? you bet! Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to social security and medicare but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont raise taxes We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit? none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal of the right The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries with strongest unions have the best manufacturing We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to do? but this ****s more workers Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of workers in unions than any western country but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of any american worker Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. so he obsesses over non existent unions minimum wage workers and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in the last 3 years. yep. right wing bull**** all the way what a ****ING IDIOT May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage workers!! HAHAHAHAHAH |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... can he name the debt? nope. can he tell us what obama did? nope but he knows obama's black... Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full employment? nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to behold. the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money but the right wing ignores this. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and more unions than the US has and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that. more right wing bull**** So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. and where is the GOP balanced budget? oh. there isnt one. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD. nor do you kluxer clown. ..he US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions is healthier than right wing free market america Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:15:41 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. wonder if he only wears 1/2 a hood when he talks about obama... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash. Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy, in a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my US IRA? You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem. Be dammed if I invest to loose money to the greedy. Show me win-win that is credible....and I will be there. Otherwise the fleabags can screw themselves. Just was reading an interesting article on how the USA is going down. A huge currency devaluation is in the works. It is not if but when. USA has passed the tipping point. At some point, debt or no more debt USD will devalue at least to 1/2 its current value in a short period. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:19:03 -0400, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:15:41 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. wonder if he only wears 1/2 a hood when he talks about obama... Nah, it's the full hood, but one eye is covered up, so his brain only gets half the input. Either that or he has it on backwards. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 3:48 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... can he name the debt? nope. can he tell us what obama did? nope but he knows obama's black... Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full employment? nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to behold. the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money but the right wing ignores this. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and more unions than the US has and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that. more right wing bull**** So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. and where is the GOP balanced budget? oh. there isnt one. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD. nor do you kluxer clown. ..he US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions is healthier than right wing free market america Yep. China is far better run economically than the US. US is into too much fiat ponzi debt fraud. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:37:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash. Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy, yeah. invest in canada. socialized medicine. strong unions. strong dollar compared to the free market in the US and your bull**** is all wrong, of course in a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my US IRA? AHAHAHAH unions...we have none! canada? lots guess which economy is stonger? You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem. except canada has more unions and more 'socialism' than the free market US as does sweden. both economies are doing better than the free market US the US is where the right wing gets to try all its bull**** theories about how destroying the middle class makes a country great |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. Fact is if DC can't do 1.6 trillion/year cuts starting right now, I will take the liquidation/tax bath on my last US account that I have and just exit US altogether. There is already signs of a small currency run going, USD is down in value again this week. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:
Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! GO talking points bull****. Nothing more. Actually you have both. Revenue is down as investing in the USA right now carries high inflation, taxation and profitability risk, so much so not many are making money. And inflation decreases the value. So new job creation investment has dried up. You can see this in 2006 tax revenue, today it is 2/3rds of 2006. Than means your average business and personal income is less than 2/3rd in real dollars over 2006. Hey, can't tax the 20% of real unemployed and McJob replacements don't pay much taxes. But it is an Obamanation. Spending, this too. If government can increase spending in one year by a trillion, time to roll it back a trillion. And by borrowing more with tax increases, many businesses are just going to say f'k-it. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 7/11/11 7:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! GO talking points bull****. Nothing more. Actually you have both. Revenue is down as investing in the USA right now carries high inflation, taxation and profitability risk, so much so not many are making money. And inflation decreases the value. So new job creation investment has dried up. You can see this in 2006 tax revenue, today it is 2/3rds of 2006. Than means your average business and personal income is less than 2/3rd in real dollars over 2006. Hey, can't tax the 20% of real unemployed and McJob replacements don't pay much taxes. But it is an Obamanation. Spending, this too. If government can increase spending in one year by a trillion, time to roll it back a trillion. And by borrowing more with tax increases, many businesses are just going to say f'k-it. Did you even graduate from high school? |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. As usual, you can't even get simple facts right. Inflation had been above 6% the above 4% when the controls when into effect. They soon went to double-digit and the wage/price control method was thoroughly debunked as a solution to inflation. "Living Wage! **** that!" Well, that pretty much sums up your attitude. **** everyone who isn't as well off as you and who cares if they or their kids starve. After all, we're just like Somalia. NOT. Fact is the US standard of living is getting a huge devaluation. A byproduct of DEBT. Too much DEBT. The worship of DEBT is bad news. If you have no debt and bought oil, gold, food, your preserving your wealth. In the 70's inflation run from money print, real estate was good as the taxation threat wasn't there. Today however the tax threat makes real-estate a liability to cash flow that cannot pass on the cost to renters or the like. So far too early to buy real estate, I see it going down another 20% easy, maybe more. The bigger government gets, the less people mater. The only question is when will people in the USA realize the road to wealth is not paved with DEBT. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:56:24 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! GO talking points bull****. Nothing more. Actually you have both. Revenue is down as investing in the USA right now carries high inflation, taxation and profitability risk, so much so not many are making money. And inflation decreases the value. So new job creation investment has dried up. what a HORSE"S ASS!! has he EVER taken a course in economics?? revenue isnt down because of investment; it's down because BUSH CUT THE TAX RATES AND THREW MILLION OUT OF WORK DUH!! what a moron he is. does he EVER get ANYTHING right?? You can see this in 2006 tax revenue, today it is 2/3rds of 2006. Than means your average business and personal income is less than 2/3rd in real dollars over 2006. Hey, can't tax the 20% of real unemployed and McJob replacements don't pay much taxes. But it is an Obamanation.' more diarrhea horse**** businesses are sitting on RECORD PROFITS. they have 1.8 TRILLION in cash. they're not spending because there's no demand because people are unemployed christ....this is what passes for economics in the right wing.... Spending, this too. If government can increase spending in one year by a trillion, time to roll it back a trillion. except, of course, unemployment DROPPED when we SPENT and it's INCREASING now that the stimulus is over jesus christ...he's more ignorant than a syphillitic sea slug |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:59:39 -0400, Harryk
wrote: On 7/11/11 7:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! GO talking points bull****. Nothing more. And by borrowing more with tax increases, many businesses are just going to say f'k-it. Did you even graduate from high school? it's amazing. EVERYTHING he says about economics is wrong. EVERYTHING. christ he's ignorant |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:10:19 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Fact is the US standard of living is getting a huge devaluation. A byproduct of DEBT. Too much DEBT. The worship of DEBT is bad news. If you have no debt and bought oil, gold, food, your preserving your wealth. yep the richest 1% had a 500% increase in income in the last 30 years...the most lopsided transfer of wealth in the western world. that's why our middle class is dying. and it was GOP right wing economics that caused the debt. 2 tax cuts that were unfunded. and a trillion dollar war. big spenders these conservatives The bigger government gets, the less people mater. The only question is when will people in the USA realize the road to wealth is not paved with DEBT. canada has socialized medicine. 30% of its people are in labor unions in the US we have a 'free market' medical system. 7% in labor unions and canada is healthier. canuck doesnt know **** about canada let alone the US. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. HAHAHAHA WRONG. what horsehit you kluxers spout. obama AGREED TO CUT EVERYTHING defense medicare social security EVERYTHING but the right wing said no tax increase WHAT A ****ING LIAR YOU ARE! |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John H
wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:40:16 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 2:04 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 7/10/11 12:55 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/07/2011 9:38 AM, wf3h wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:23:22 -0600, wrote: On 08/07/2011 7:38 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:12:15 -0600, wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS Because people are unemployed idiot. Your average household has much less than 2/3rd the dollars coming in today than in 2006. Unless your a government civil servant that is, they just kept on growing. so let's see. you lied about the level of taxes. that's no surprise...you're right wing. you always lie. then you proved you didn't know **** about taxes. no surprise there either. the right wing doesnt know **** about taxes Spoken like a envious gutter slug. and the reason we dont have money in the US middle class? because in the last 30 years the richest 1% have had a 500% pay increase. that's where the money went. How much did you save? Oh, you screwed it away on toys and are now broke. Got it. so you dont know **** about the economic profile of the US, taxes or govt no surprise. you're right wing Conservative economics just works better. No ****. Told me to watch for 2008....while your liberal economic idiot deer were on the tracks in a comatose state, staring at the freight train. Going to get worse too. As government gets bigger, people get smaller. gee. taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years. you just admitted that now you forgot it. again. you're right wing alright Taxes are low as people lost their jobs and unemployment is 1929 levels. Unemployed without alternative sources of income don't pay taxes. They are not lower for an individual that is working. During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... Trouble with debt is, if you double the debt it becomes 4 times the problem. The deeper you go, the less likely you are to get out. Government debt is like a mortgage but never gets paid off. So the first payment is every payment, almost 100% non-value added interest and servicing costs. Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. I get a kick out of this bull****. Congress obviously are just scared rabbits. They are talking 1 to 4 trillion in 10 years. They need to talk $1.7 trillion per year starting right now. Obama is playing the sluff it off to the next president game. Congress should just pass a $1.6 trillion cut it spending right now. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD...but here is a hint, depreciation of the USD (inflation) on the world markets is ramping up fast. And the government is already into spiral debt. May be even past the tipping point. Japanese have seen a 30% decrease in the standard of living in the last 3 years. It is coming to the USA. People should be mad as hornets. The only answer is an immediate downsize of the US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. You're truly stupid. Sure, throw more people out of work. Gov't workers don't pay taxes or buy things. Oh wait, they do. But, those big corps who ship jobs overseas, they pay their fair share. Oh wait, they don't. That is the way it works, more government debt and overspend means more unemployment. Why should I have US holdings in such a buggered up economy based of fleabag greed and delinquent fleabag debt? Let the fleabags eat debt. What the hell are you belching about? You're fine with throwing people out of work, so you're a little man, with no balls, and computer. Big deal. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:44:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 3:48 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... can he name the debt? nope. can he tell us what obama did? nope but he knows obama's black... Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full employment? nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to behold. the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money but the right wing ignores this. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and more unions than the US has and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that. more right wing bull**** So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. and where is the GOP balanced budget? oh. there isnt one. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD. nor do you kluxer clown. ..he US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions is healthier than right wing free market america Yep. China is far better run economically than the US. US is into too much fiat ponzi debt fraud. You're far stupider than can be imagined. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:59:39 -0400, Harryk
wrote: On 7/11/11 7:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! GO talking points bull****. Nothing more. Actually you have both. Revenue is down as investing in the USA right now carries high inflation, taxation and profitability risk, so much so not many are making money. And inflation decreases the value. So new job creation investment has dried up. You can see this in 2006 tax revenue, today it is 2/3rds of 2006. Than means your average business and personal income is less than 2/3rd in real dollars over 2006. Hey, can't tax the 20% of real unemployed and McJob replacements don't pay much taxes. But it is an Obamanation. Spending, this too. If government can increase spending in one year by a trillion, time to roll it back a trillion. And by borrowing more with tax increases, many businesses are just going to say f'k-it. Did you even graduate from high school? They wouldn't let him in because he was wearing his Klan hood (backwards). |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:10:19 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 2:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. As usual, you can't even get simple facts right. Inflation had been above 6% the above 4% when the controls when into effect. They soon went to double-digit and the wage/price control method was thoroughly debunked as a solution to inflation. "Living Wage! **** that!" Well, that pretty much sums up your attitude. **** everyone who isn't as well off as you and who cares if they or their kids starve. After all, we're just like Somalia. NOT. Fact is the US standard of living is getting a huge devaluation. A byproduct of DEBT. Too much DEBT. The worship of DEBT is bad news. If you have no debt and bought oil, gold, food, your preserving your wealth. In the 70's inflation run from money print, real estate was good as the taxation threat wasn't there. Today however the tax threat makes real-estate a liability to cash flow that cannot pass on the cost to renters or the like. So far too early to buy real estate, I see it going down another 20% easy, maybe more. The bigger government gets, the less people mater. The only question is when will people in the USA realize the road to wealth is not paved with DEBT. Nope. It's a by-product of unchecked corporate greed moron. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. Fact is if DC can't do 1.6 trillion/year cuts starting right now, I will take the liquidation/tax bath on my last US account that I have and just exit US altogether. There is already signs of a small currency run going, USD is down in value again this week. You're no man. I'm convinced of that. You wouldn't know a real man if he bit you in the ankle. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John H
wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. We should certainly listen to what an established liar has to say.... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: Moron? *We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! *The government requires excess wages in any government contract. *Not what the market can *support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. *Living Wage! ***** that! *Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. *After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. *If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. *I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. *And both parties did the overspending. *Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. *When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. *Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. *1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. *Now that is poverty level. *We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. *UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. *Better quality for the same price. *Was also management, but the workers did not help. *Management should have been fired also. *They assemble them here with lower cost workers. *Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. *Same in a lot of other industries. *All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. *Serious hurting! *Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. *Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? *Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. *Except for the US Federal Government. *They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. *Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. *We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. *Less than a percent. *We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. *The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. *We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. *Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. *Happened to the SF Muni transit district. *Drunk bus driver. *They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. *A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. *May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. *Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. *Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. *Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. *Spending cuts are what are needed. *There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. We should certainly listen to what an established liar has to say.... You have since before you elected him President. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote: Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote: Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote: Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay you're a ****ing moron You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar mistake and that's great for the economy asshole |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote: Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. You're calling him dumb? You actually believe what you wrote... not more, no less????? Good grief. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
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Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
"wf3h" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche. we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got us into a war...NONE of which they paid for. but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class. The government requires excess wages in any government contract. meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit. you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST SPENDERS IN HISTORY Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy? none. none at all...BUT wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997 and 2007 HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so he blames the WORKING POOR We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing but he ignores that. see a pattern here? blame the worker blame the poor dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever ever. right wing bull****. Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what we find: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the number of employees per capita, vs bush!! so this means the right winger is full of ****, right? you bet! Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to social security and medicare but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont raise taxes We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit? none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal of the right The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries with strongest unions have the best manufacturing We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to do? but this ****s more workers Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of workers in unions than any western country but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of any american worker Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. so he obsesses over non existent unions minimum wage workers and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in the last 3 years. yep. right wing bull**** all the way what a ****ING IDIOT May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage workers!! HAHAHAHAHAH Reply: Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101. Why you are crying the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting spending. By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund managers making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are no minimum wage. I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the workforce 10 years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time, you do not deserve MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough for the employer for them to keep paying you. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
"wf3h" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. HAHAHAHA WRONG. what horsehit you kluxers spout. obama AGREED TO CUT EVERYTHING defense medicare social security EVERYTHING but the right wing said no tax increase WHAT A ****ING LIAR YOU ARE! Reply: Obama has been a disaster as to economics. He his clueless as a leader. He ignored the debt commission report in 2010. State of the union speech, he did not even mention the economy for the first 35 minutes. He was arguing about $36 billion in cuts earlier this year. He is proposing no cuts now, but a 10 year plan. And most of those cuts are after he is out of office. We need cuts now! Every other business and government entity in the country except the Fed's have cut jobs. Obama led Federal employment is up 36,000. The small, open government he promised has not arrived. And does not even seem to be moving that way. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
"wf3h" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay you're a ****ing moron You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar mistake and that's great for the economy asshole Reply: No we paid for the opaque unquantifiable debt because Obama and the Sec of Treasury and the Fed Chairman, who all come out of those big financial houses got the Congress and Executive branch to take over all that bad paper. Other than that, investors who made bad investments and the houses who sold them would have taken the bath. But just like GM, the Federal government took all the debt off them and saddled the US taxpayer with them. this allowed GoldmanSackus, etc. to make recore profits during this recession. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:04:58 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche. we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got us into a war...NONE of which they paid for. but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class. The government requires excess wages in any government contract. meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit. you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST SPENDERS IN HISTORY Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy? none. none at all...BUT wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997 and 2007 HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so he blames the WORKING POOR We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing but he ignores that. see a pattern here? blame the worker blame the poor dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever ever. right wing bull****. Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what we find: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the number of employees per capita, vs bush!! so this means the right winger is full of ****, right? you bet! Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to social security and medicare but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont raise taxes We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit? none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal of the right The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries with strongest unions have the best manufacturing We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to do? but this ****s more workers Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of workers in unions than any western country but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of any american worker Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. so he obsesses over non existent unions minimum wage workers and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in the last 3 years. yep. right wing bull**** all the way what a ****ING IDIOT May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage workers!! HAHAHAHAHAH Reply: Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101. Why you are crying the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting spending. By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund managers making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are no minimum wage. I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the workforce 10 years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time, you do not deserve MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough for the employer for them to keep paying you. You're the moron. We can balance the budget that way, something that isn't necessarily important, on the backs of those who can least afford it. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:10:53 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. HAHAHAHA WRONG. what horsehit you kluxers spout. obama AGREED TO CUT EVERYTHING defense medicare social security EVERYTHING but the right wing said no tax increase WHAT A ****ING LIAR YOU ARE! Reply: Obama has been a disaster as to economics. He his clueless as a leader. He ignored the debt commission report in 2010. State of the union speech, he did not even mention the economy for the first 35 minutes. He was arguing about $36 billion in cuts earlier this year. He is proposing no cuts now, but a 10 year plan. And most of those cuts are after he is out of office. We need cuts now! Every other business and government entity in the country except the Fed's have cut jobs. Obama led Federal employment is up 36,000. The small, open government he promised has not arrived. And does not even seem to be moving that way. In your pea brain I have no doubt. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:15:29 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay you're a ****ing moron You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar mistake and that's great for the economy asshole Reply: No we paid for the opaque unquantifiable debt because Obama and the Sec of Treasury and the Fed Chairman, who all come out of those big financial houses got the Congress and Executive branch to take over all that bad paper. Other than that, investors who made bad investments and the houses who sold them would have taken the bath. But just like GM, the Federal government took all the debt off them and saddled the US taxpayer with them. this allowed GoldmanSackus, etc. to make recore profits during this recession. TARP was started by Bush moron. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 14/07/2011 1:10 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. HAHAHAHA WRONG. what horsehit you kluxers spout. obama AGREED TO CUT EVERYTHING defense medicare social security EVERYTHING but the right wing said no tax increase WHAT A ****ING LIAR YOU ARE! Reply: Obama has been a disaster as to economics. He his clueless as a leader. He ignored the debt commission report in 2010. State of the union speech, he did not even mention the economy for the first 35 minutes. He was arguing about $36 billion in cuts earlier this year. He is proposing no cuts now, but a 10 year plan. And most of those cuts are after he is out of office. We need cuts now! Every other business and government entity in the country except the Fed's have cut jobs. Obama led Federal employment is up 36,000. The small, open government he promised has not arrived. And does not even seem to be moving that way. Ya, I remember Obama's $36 billion in cuts and I fell off my chair laughing. I could not believe the stupidity and the arrogance of the idiot. What Obama is trying to do with hs pure greed for power is shift it over to the next president or after 2012, but the markets are right clear on this, now or face the consequences. I just watched the USD take a huge drop on the Yuan. The USD is being devalued. As without stopping Bernanke currency fraud, the USD will loose value fast. And if that goes too far, USA is economic toast. Yes, it devalues debt, but also devalues taxable wages and incomes, spending will dry up, people will have to buy less and deeper we go into the depression. Bottom line, if USA does not balance the governments budgets by the end of the year, USA will like USSR take some decades to recover. It may seem counter productive, but raising interest rates to soak up the excessive money print is a reality DC is in big denial off. Government needs to borrow real money or go under. It also says to companies realize more profit that is taxable and raises revenue. Yes, the low interest rates are causing government revenue problems. But get a fleabagger debtor to acknowledge that fact. Amazing the government greed in this. Government is screwing the entire nation and world of USD holders on the myth that you can debt-spend your way out of a debt problem. Obama clearly needs to resign. He has ****ed America with debt. -- While Bush blew up part of the US economy and started it, Obama is working at blowing up the worlds economy with DEBT. The road to wealth is not paved with debt. The road paved with debt leads to poverty. It is pure GREED that drives government debt. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 14/07/2011 1:04 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche. we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got us into a war...NONE of which they paid for. but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class. The government requires excess wages in any government contract. meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit. you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST SPENDERS IN HISTORY Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy? none. none at all...BUT wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997 and 2007 HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so he blames the WORKING POOR We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing but he ignores that. see a pattern here? blame the worker blame the poor dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever ever. right wing bull****. Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what we find: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the number of employees per capita, vs bush!! so this means the right winger is full of ****, right? you bet! Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to social security and medicare but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont raise taxes We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit? none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal of the right The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries with strongest unions have the best manufacturing We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to do? but this ****s more workers Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of workers in unions than any western country but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of any american worker Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. so he obsesses over non existent unions minimum wage workers and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in the last 3 years. yep. right wing bull**** all the way what a ****ING IDIOT May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage workers!! HAHAHAHAHAH Reply: Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101. Why you are crying the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting spending. By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund managers making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are no minimum wage. I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the workforce 10 years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time, you do not deserve MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough for the employer for them to keep paying you. Yep. I think fleabag math missed that when lowering interest rates it lso allowed for companies to make less and keep shareholders happy. 0% rates and a 3% profit isn't as taxable as say 6% rates and 9% earnings. Like I have always said, the 2006 democrat congress adopting low interest rates was the wrong thing to do. They cut their revenue throats literally. All for the greed of fraud low interest rates and perceived preservation of big fat government. Wasn't jsut companies. If you have a million in the retirement fund and get 6% interest rates or big dividends you pay taxes. Guess what? at sub 1% interest rates and less than 2% dividend yields you don't pay much if any taxes. 2006 democrats, Obama and Bernanke plainly put the gun to governments head and blew it away. It is so incompetent that it must be deliberate. Is this an intentional decimation of the US economy? I have to ask as my investment buddies all were on to this in 2008. How long does it take for Obama idiot to figure it out? Start by cutting military spending by 65%, medicare/medicated by 40%, welfare, what is that? Bailout no more. If bailouts are needed, jail cells await. Target governemt to reduce payrool by 50%, may include wage roll backs, caps, jb sharing whatever, but in 4 months, 50% reduction in payroll. Michelle can go from 50+ hairdressers to 1. USA needs to pray for a president with some economic savvy and some guts. Might I suggest a woman who has managed a household budget? Fast track butt kissers with jive talking big mouths don't seem to make the grade. -- While Bush blew up part of the US economy and started it, Obama is working at blowing up the worlds economy with DEBT. The road to wealth is not paved with debt. The road paved with debt leads to poverty. It is pure GREED that drives government debt. |
Obama destroyed the USA with DEBT
On 14/07/2011 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John wrote: Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined moron Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it. says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less. you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay you're a ****ing moron You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke. yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar mistake and that's great for the economy asshole Reply: No we paid for the opaque unquantifiable debt because Obama and the Sec of Treasury and the Fed Chairman, who all come out of those big financial houses got the Congress and Executive branch to take over all that bad paper. Other than that, investors who made bad investments and the houses who sold them would have taken the bath. But just like GM, the Federal government took all the debt off them and saddled the US taxpayer with them. this allowed GoldmanSackus, etc. to make recore profits during this recession. The real benefactors of corrupt auto bailout were Carlye Group and Cerberus. Both being private equity for billionarire and US-Euro-Saudi elite. While American born, I hope people don't think Hilary's aid is devout Saudi-Muslim raised is a coincidence. You know the real people pulling the strings here are as corrupt as it gets and Obama just caters to it. Bailouts == corruption does not mater how you cut it. -- While Bush blew up part of the US economy and started it, Obama is working at blowing up the worlds economy with DEBT. The road to wealth is not paved with debt. The road paved with debt leads to poverty. It is pure GREED that drives government debt. |
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