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I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
over so much.
Any guidance?

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Why do this, Chris?


"Chris Kelly" wrote in message
om...
I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
over so much.
Any guidance?

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Dave Van wrote:

Why do this, Chris?

"Chris Kelly" ...

I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
over so much.
Any guidance?

Pax, Dave, you must think he's talking about s*****ns. Knowing Chris, he's
thinking of attaching a kayak to each side.

Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

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Chris Kelly wrote:

Any guidance?

Sure.

Sell the kayak the kayak that isn't working well for you.

Demo kayaks until you find one that does work well for you, then
purchase it.

I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.

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Dave's right, I should not have done it. Returning to RBP as I am it
just was toooooooo tempting.

Just goes to prove the old rule that the more ya want to say something
the less you oughta say it. chris

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Eric wrote:

I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.

Maybe you should take it out of the bathtub.

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"Eric" wrote

I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.


Bummer.

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what you need is formal instruction from a certified paddling instructor.
You must take at least four courses, then attach the framed certificates
autographed by your wealthy certified paddling instructors to the sides of
your boat where they will serve as hydrofoils. that will keep you from
flipping over so much. If you are still havign problems then I'm afraind
you will have to swallow your pride and add sponsons to your boat. Nobody
likes to be seen in a boat with training wheels but if safety is your real
goal, and not looking like a waterborne stud in rut, then sponsons are
essential.

PS - if you are paddling with some sort of physical or mental handicap we
can give you advice tailored to your individual needs, but we'd need
specifics. You are fortunate in that there are certified paddling
instructors whoare qualified to teach paddling to people with a number of
specific personal challenges. Paddling is for everyone. Don't flip out.
You can do it!!! We don't guarantee you will enjoy it. But you CAN do it.

Chris Kelly ) writes:
I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
over so much.
Any guidance?


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Now THIS is guidance, clearly give in the spirit of the question. I
deeply appreciate your advice. Chris Kelly

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Really quite ammused at the idea of being paid. Spend lots of personal
time and money teaching people. Tonight I had three 7,8,16 yrs old and
everyone had a great time. You do not need to spend a fortune to learn
the basics. Here in the UK we have plenty of clubs who are only to happy
to welcome you in - regret I do not know what happens in the rest of the
world. We as a club have got more young people wanting to take up the
sport than we can manage. With regards to that which must not be spoken
about we have been using them for the last couple of years with people
with disabilities in sprint racing. Most have found them of use when
starting out. They aim to dispense with them after a short period when
they build up confidence and ability. Like most devices they do have a
use in confidence building but if you have to rely on artificial aids
then you really need to consider if you are taking part in the right
activity.

Frank Healy



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"Frank Healy" writes:

Really quite ammused at the idea of being paid.

Dude, yer wealthy. Don't you know that? William Watt said so.

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Hmmm, for all yer goofiness in the matter of formal paddling
instruction, you have shown rare insight with these two remarks; you
have really NAILED Kelly. 'Course, since he is a trophy husband,
"looking like a ... stud in rut" is an occupational requirement.
Fortunately for him, his extreme

physical buffitude outweighs his
equally extreme mental muffitude; these kept men, doncha know, aren't
kept around for their *mental* gigantism.

ROTFLMAO

Richard, you are not right! I almost hurt myself when I read this thread.
SYOTR
Larry C.

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"Mary Malmros" wrote in message


"Frank Healy" writes:

Really quite ammused at the idea of being paid.

Dude, yer wealthy. Don't you know that? William Watt said so.


Wish someone would tell my bank manager! With regards Young Master Watt
young people often come out with idealistic nonsense - Really cannot
someone have a word with his mother - perhaps she should ground him
( Say under 6ft of it ) then he would not bother us grown ups. When I
was a lad my Grandmother used to say "Little boys should be seen and
not heard" Are you listening Mr Watt ?

Happy Paddling - Whichever style you do.

Frank Healy


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I understand due to unusual advertising bouncing around the Internet
regarding sponsons, this is quite an emotional topic.
Before any advice

I have sponsons. I do not sell them. I can capsize my kayak with
sponsons attached. This takes more effort than without these devices.
As long as I do my eskimo roll correct, with the sponsons attached,
I can capsize and roll up consistently on my strong or left side (no
wind or waves). I can almost make the roll up on my weaker or right
side. I cannot stand up in the kayak with the sponsons, although with
practice I could. And with practice, I could stand up in the kayak
without sponsons.

The sponsons offer some measure of safety. For me, sponsons are a
great way to perfect my eskimo roll in a sea kayak. I have to do
everything correct to roll back up with my sea kayak with the sponsons
attached. I think good bracing technique and an eskimo roll are
better techniques.

To use a bicycle comparison, sponsons offer less safety than training
wheels on a bicycle. When much younger, I had great difficulty
tipping over a bicycle with training wheels (would have to be going
"fast" around a curve). I can roll a kayak with sponsons (see above).

I believe the safety is less than advertised. The sponsons (I bought
used) came with a serious product defect. There are plastic clips.
Upon my testing using eyepads on a kayak, one or both of these clips
came off the eyepad (in a real world situation, the sponson would had
blown away). I replaced the plastic clips with chain links. This
replacement solved the problem of the sponsons detaching from the
kayak. I was quite annoyed at this defect. The end of the inflation
tube (which connects to the sponson) also came off during "sea trials"
and the sponson deflated. A little epoxy fixed that problem.

I will still consider the use of sponsons as a last ditch safety
device (swamped canoe, in a storm). There is the good question of how
did I end up on the water in those conditions. The kayak or canoe is
somewhat more stable. I have not tested my boats with sponsons in two
to four foot waves while traveling parallel to the waves. This is
next on the list. I will also use the sponsons with a downwind sail
as they offer more stability with both the fla****er canoe and sea
kayak.

And yes, they are view with disdain by many and much hated on Internet
newsgroups - (like bicycling around with training wheels).

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On 2-Oct-2003, (Scott Bemis) wrote:

I have sponsons. [...]
I believe the safety is less than advertised.[...]

Your experience is similar to mine (though mine are based
on brief experimentation with the product). I also agree
with your conclusions.

The biggest problem is not the product (all safety products
have advantages and disadvantages and require practice
to be used effectively) but the idiot that sells one brand.
He has done more to harm their reputation than anyone
who opposes them.

If someone reads your comments and buys the product with
knowledge of their advantages and drawbacks, at least they
will be fairly informed.

Mike

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