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On 22/06/2011 10:20 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? At this point, the easy solutions don't exist. Population control is a poster child for once ounce of prevention is worth 100 tons of cure. Politically, no options that are palatable exist. Massive wars, or mass serialization or just let them riot then starve. The later is going to happen willingly or not sooner or later. No amount of BS knee jerk is going to stop reality. Probably why everyone sticks their head in the sand on the issue. The options have a bad taste, so do nothing and let it happen. Sick, but true. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On Jun 22, 12:28*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will come to an end. *Over population is the big cause. *Too much indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down. Here's to indiscriminate breading! * (That's where the dough is) ~~ Snerk ~~ Now leave canuck alone... he tries hard. |
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On 22/06/2011 10:22 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:49 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the other situations were caused by human activity? Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for your problems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is going. Lets hope they aren't correct. I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky. I'll bet your wife would like it, too, if you had a sex doll. Hey, at least I am not into the anal stuff that fascinates you. I prefer them of age and heterosexual.... -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. But chances of that, is about the same as winning a lottery 4 times in a row and not buying a ticket. Maybe some aliens can thin the herd for food. On a practical and real level, starvation and war for resources is inevitable and assured. May even make man extinct if it goes nuclear. Which is the only valid reason I agree in going into Iran and Pakistan. Nukes need to be banned or our species will in time make itself extinct. Screwing around with non-nuke Libya is just unprovoked invasion to steal resources. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 22/06/2011 9:21 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:09 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 12:09 PM, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. I wonder why they don't go after the Japanese for willfully dumping radioactive wash down waste into the Pacific? No government money in it? Green is a con job to bilk people for carbon credits and money. Define "go after." Protest, criticism, more than lip services and chasing money like sheep.... Face it, green is about $$$.... nothing to do with the environment. Entertainment for money at best. At worst, taking our minds off the real problems of over population and the real hazards like radioactivity. So will that be iodine shrimp with that cancer of Salmon? Japan's reactor incident is in my mind the worst ecological disaster to date. But government doesn't offer free money to go after it. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 6/22/2011 7:04 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 22, 5:32 am, wrote: On 6/21/11 8:40 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:28:12 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote: Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then. *TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was. Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you. Stick with name-calling. So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up the word condition: Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life. Actually, you're almost right. It's not possible to know with absolute certainty what caused extinctions. There are some good theories (that would be scientific theories, which include forming and testing hypothesis). You can not make a serious claim that the small dollars being spent on climate research in any way influences the overwhelming data on how mankind has affected the environment, esp. when compared to the enormous amount of money big oil and heavy industries are spending to try and debunk or undercut the science with their own dramatic press nonsense and commercials. The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Science is not about taking pronouncements as "gospel." In fact, skepticism is the basis for the scientific method. Those not well educated believe that because there is some overblown and ginned up controversy that means the whole notion of adverse, mankind created climate change is in doubt. It isn't. Those not well educated look at a cold winter or a violent storm or whatever and proclaim that there is no such thing as global warming or that it's a fact. It's much more nuance than that. Anything w'hine posts on this subject matter is colored by the fact that he is a corporate apologist and an investor in oil companies. Obfuscation is part of his apologist's game. Your jealousy of Wayne is showing, Herr Krause. He enjoys life,whilst you stay miserable. You really should do something about that before you turn green like a frog. This is, unless you like it that way. And come to think of it, I'm sure you do. Krause wishes he had some monet to invest instead of putting all of his beans into a 1/3 shar4e of a 5 store strip mall Where did he get the money for the mall? Why, dad of course. Dad knew Krause would turn out to be a worthless POS, so he made provisions for him. |
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On 6/22/2011 1:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 9:33 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, wrote: Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down. Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is) Now that's funny! Are you saying the earth has a yeast infection? Betcha Plume does. |
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On 6/22/2011 12:20 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Asprin |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:28:38 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down. Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is) Here's to your inability to make a coherent comment without putting someone else down. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:30:16 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 9:33 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, wrote: Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down. Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is) Now that's funny! Are you saying the earth has a yeast infection? He's saying that you're jealous of the yeast brain. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:20:41 -0400, Harryk
wrote: On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? 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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:49:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the other situations were caused by human activity? Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for your problems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is going. Lets hope they aren't correct. I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky. But the rest, quite true. It is a fact that the world cannot support 7 billion people, so what do we do? Head towards 10, 15 billion people... Isn't going to happen. Riots today are not about democracy, they are about subsistence living. Propaganda media has sold the masses on democracy is there answer, and are they going to be disappointed. Does not mater be it democracy, kingdom, dictatorship, no jobs, no food, no money to have pussy and a family, begging for flour to eat....that is what it is about. Bottom line, too many people stripping the planet bare for something to eat. Unsustainable and guaranteed the reality is going to hit hard as eco systems collapse not from CO2, but from over fishing, stripping the land. Going to get ugly. The bottom line is that you're an ignorant asshole. Feel free to dream about your computer sex creation. That's about your speed. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:23:05 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:40:57 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:28:12 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote: Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then. *TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was. Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you. Stick with name-calling. So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up the word condition: Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life. Actually, you're almost right. It's not possible to know with absolute certainty what caused extinctions. There are some good theories (that would be scientific theories, which include forming and testing hypothesis). You can not make a serious claim that the small dollars being spent on climate research in any way influences the overwhelming data on how mankind has affected the environment, esp. when compared to the enormous amount of money big oil and heavy industries are spending to try and debunk or undercut the science with their own dramatic press nonsense and commercials. The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Science is not about taking pronouncements as "gospel." In fact, skepticism is the basis for the scientific method. Those not well educated believe that because there is some overblown and ginned up controversy that means the whole notion of adverse, mankind created climate change is in doubt. It isn't. Those not well educated look at a cold winter or a violent storm or whatever and proclaim that there is no such thing as global warming or that it's a fact. It's much more nuance than that. In typical fashion you have missed the point and changed the subject. In typical fashion, you're just as ignorant as Knuckles. For the record: 1. No one knows for sure what caused mass extinctions and ice ages. Nobody is disputing this. 2. With the exception of the last ice age, mankind as we know it did not yet exist, ergo, no involvement. Nobody is disputing this. Those facts are indsputable. You're stupidity is indisputable also. Point #2: A lot of dramatic press releases regarding some new gloom and doom scenario are designed to capture media attention and help gain funding for some narrowly targeted research effort. In the world of science that's called preserving your job. Over and out. Yeah, you're over and out. How about all the TV commercials from big oil about how committed they are to the environment? Who's spending the real money, big oil or Greenpeace? In the world of industry, that's called the profit motive. Feel free to tool around, spewing out god knows what amount of hydrocarbons in search of your "middle class" nightmare. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:21:23 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? This planet can't sustain 7 billion people. No one rational argues that. If we are to sustain 7 billion people, we need a biologically friendly cheap energy source we don't have with some storage break throughs we don't have. Without these, mass starvation is guaranteed. We can argue about the time line, but without oil, Africa isn't going to get the food - and that means 2 billion starving. Huh? Try English. Perhaps you'd like to nuke somebody? That's the typical right-wing solution. |
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On 6/22/11 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Spay and neuter. At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more in places smaller than Texas with 180M people. Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives to food and water. So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal, kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma. They hang and assassinate people for much less. yeah, you're quite the humanitarian... Sacrificing the rights of people, stealing, killing? Corporate executives? -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400, Harryk
wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum... |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:58:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 9:21 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 11:09 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 12:09 PM, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. I wonder why they don't go after the Japanese for willfully dumping radioactive wash down waste into the Pacific? No government money in it? Green is a con job to bilk people for carbon credits and money. Define "go after." Protest, criticism, more than lip services and chasing money like sheep.... Face it, green is about $$$.... nothing to do with the environment. Entertainment for money at best. At worst, taking our minds off the real problems of over population and the real hazards like radioactivity. So will that be iodine shrimp with that cancer of Salmon? Japan's reactor incident is in my mind the worst ecological disaster to date. But government doesn't offer free money to go after it. In your mind??? Now that's funny. You're so stupid, it's gotta hurt. |
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On 6/22/11 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400, wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum... Well, it fits snugly with his racism. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 22/06/2011 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Spay and neuter. At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more in places smaller than Texas with 180M people. Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives to food and water. So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal, kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma. They hang and assassinate people for much less. yeah, you're quite the humanitarian... Got a better rational solution lets here it chimp? -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 22/06/2011 1:36 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 3:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Spay and neuter. At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more in places smaller than Texas with 180M people. Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives to food and water. So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal, kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma. They hang and assassinate people for much less. yeah, you're quite the humanitarian... Sacrificing the rights of people, stealing, killing? Corporate executives? Obama.... -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 22/06/2011 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400, wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum... Harry had a moment of brilliance. But hardly limited to Germans. Virtually every religion out there is against birth control for self propelling reasons only. Out populate the enemy and more revenue for the church. Has nothing to do with humanity. Or the birth control pills would be issued like candy to prevent the pain and suffering to come. Thus religion is based in such backwards thought. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 22/06/2011 2:46 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. Well, if you think your going to get 7 billion people to stop breeding out of control with some mabi-pambi liberal BS....then even rats have a better IQ than you do. For example, what ever happened with that welfare woman who had a litter of 8 to make for 14 kids she could not afford? All you get here is 14 poorly raised kids while workers and producrs maybe has one. You enter a cultural deterioration of welfare dependence and tax slaves. Fact is there are now too many of us on this rock for individuality to mater a damn any more. The bigger government gets, the less the individual matters. The same is true of population. The earth is more like a beehive than ever before. Sooner or later control of how many queens, drones, workers will come, just like a beehive or ant colony. Deny it if you wish. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 6/22/11 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 2:46 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. Well, if you think your going to get 7 billion people to stop breeding out of control with some mabi-pambi liberal BS....then even rats have a better IQ than you do. For example, what ever happened with that welfare woman who had a litter of 8 to make for 14 kids she could not afford? All you get here is 14 poorly raised kids while workers and producrs maybe has one. You enter a cultural deterioration of welfare dependence and tax slaves. Fact is there are now too many of us on this rock for individuality to mater a damn any more. The bigger government gets, the less the individual matters. The same is true of population. The earth is more like a beehive than ever before. Sooner or later control of how many queens, drones, workers will come, just like a beehive or ant colony. Deny it if you wish. I suggest you off yourself...give us a good start. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 22/06/2011 3:35 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 2:46 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. Well, if you think your going to get 7 billion people to stop breeding out of control with some mabi-pambi liberal BS....then even rats have a better IQ than you do. For example, what ever happened with that welfare woman who had a litter of 8 to make for 14 kids she could not afford? All you get here is 14 poorly raised kids while workers and producrs maybe has one. You enter a cultural deterioration of welfare dependence and tax slaves. Fact is there are now too many of us on this rock for individuality to mater a damn any more. The bigger government gets, the less the individual matters. The same is true of population. The earth is more like a beehive than ever before. Sooner or later control of how many queens, drones, workers will come, just like a beehive or ant colony. Deny it if you wish. I suggest you off yourself...give us a good start. Nope. Not going to happen. I have more money, gold, oil than 95% of the worlds population. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:34:18 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 1:36 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 3:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Spay and neuter. At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more in places smaller than Texas with 180M people. Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives to food and water. So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal, kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma. They hang and assassinate people for much less. yeah, you're quite the humanitarian... Sacrificing the rights of people, stealing, killing? Corporate executives? Obama.... Yes, you're a racist. Were you trying to say something else? |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:33:48 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 1:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote: In , says... On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? Spay and neuter. At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more in places smaller than Texas with 180M people. Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives to food and water. So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal, kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma. They hang and assassinate people for much less. yeah, you're quite the humanitarian... Got a better rational solution lets here it chimp? Just because you're a chimp, doesn't make other people chimps. Solution: education, gov't involvement through nudge policy Yeah, you don't know about either. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:44:08 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 1:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400, wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum... Harry had a moment of brilliance. But hardly limited to Germans. Virtually every religion out there is against birth control for self propelling reasons only. Out populate the enemy and more revenue for the church. Has nothing to do with humanity. Or the birth control pills would be issued like candy to prevent the pain and suffering to come. Thus religion is based in such backwards thought. So, gov't mandated birth control. Hmm.... I guess it's ok when you propose gov't involvement, but not if anyone else does. MORON |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:37:58 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/06/2011 3:35 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 2:46 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. Well, if you think your going to get 7 billion people to stop breeding out of control with some mabi-pambi liberal BS....then even rats have a better IQ than you do. For example, what ever happened with that welfare woman who had a litter of 8 to make for 14 kids she could not afford? All you get here is 14 poorly raised kids while workers and producrs maybe has one. You enter a cultural deterioration of welfare dependence and tax slaves. Fact is there are now too many of us on this rock for individuality to mater a damn any more. The bigger government gets, the less the individual matters. The same is true of population. The earth is more like a beehive than ever before. Sooner or later control of how many queens, drones, workers will come, just like a beehive or ant colony. Deny it if you wish. I suggest you off yourself...give us a good start. Nope. Not going to happen. I have more money, gold, oil than 95% of the worlds population. And, you have a very empty head to store it in, apparently. |
Who gives a shit?
On 6/22/11 5:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 3:35 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 2:46 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote: On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of entire areas of the world. How very German of you. But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is what goes on because we do nothing. Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind of crap? Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization, what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted. You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely without human values. Well, if you think your going to get 7 billion people to stop breeding out of control with some mabi-pambi liberal BS....then even rats have a better IQ than you do. For example, what ever happened with that welfare woman who had a litter of 8 to make for 14 kids she could not afford? All you get here is 14 poorly raised kids while workers and producrs maybe has one. You enter a cultural deterioration of welfare dependence and tax slaves. Fact is there are now too many of us on this rock for individuality to mater a damn any more. The bigger government gets, the less the individual matters. The same is true of population. The earth is more like a beehive than ever before. Sooner or later control of how many queens, drones, workers will come, just like a beehive or ant colony. Deny it if you wish. I suggest you off yourself...give us a good start. Nope. Not going to happen. I have more money, gold, oil than 95% of the worlds population. So what? Even if that were true, it doesn't make *you* a valuable human asset. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
Who gives a shit?
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:35:09 -0700, wrote:
You're stupidity is indisputable === Stupid is as stupid does. - Forrest Gump How's your career going? |
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