Propane canister from hell
 

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:44:06 -0700, wrote:

Come on! You're talking about a miniscule amount of gas, that would
easily dissipate no where near your boat. You're just trying to
justify your panicky reaction.

With all due respect, your reaction and responses are totally
inappropriate. Propane is extremely explosive and quite deadly to
boats and people in small quantities. The only acceptable level of
risk is zero, and the only acceptable location for a leaking cylinder
is somewhere else. You have no business posting advice or opinions on
a boating group since you have no knowledge of boats to impart.

Propane canister from hell
 

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:36:42 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:44:06 -0700, wrote:

Come on! You're talking about a miniscule amount of gas, that would
easily dissipate no where near your boat. You're just trying to
justify your panicky reaction.

With all due respect, your reaction and responses are totally
inappropriate. Propane is extremely explosive and quite deadly to
boats and people in small quantities. The only acceptable level of
risk is zero, and the only acceptable location for a leaking cylinder
is somewhere else. You have no business posting advice or opinions on
a boating group since you have no knowledge of boats to impart.

With all due respect, what I said was totally appropriate. Frog over
reacted and could easily have dealt with the situation without
polluting the environment with a metal canister.

He could have attached the can to his spare anchor (he has one
right?), and dumped on the down current side of the boat. Then, any
out-gassing would have moved with the current and away from his boat.

He claims that it was leaking, so it couldn't have been full. He then
goes on the claim that a wading pool is somehow equivalent to an
entire ocean. Further, he claims that the gas would somehow migrate UP
into his boat through various holes, then migrate UP some more to
finally get into the cabin.

Finally, you claim that I post off-topic and you don't like it. When I
post something that's on topic, you don't like it and try to slam me
for doing so. You're a hypocrite and not even good at hiding it.

If you're so upset by me, why are you so concerned? Why don't you just
ignore me like you ignore anything else that doesn't fit into your
tiny little box of what is and what isn't acceptable?

Frog has yet to address the quite valid responses and suggestions I
made. If he were a real sailor, he would learn from his mistakes and
accept the criticism. Obviously neither you nor he can do that.

Propane canister from hell
 

On 6/15/2011 5:49 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:36:42 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:44:06 -0700, wrote:

Come on! You're talking about a miniscule amount of gas, that would
easily dissipate no where near your boat. You're just trying to
justify your panicky reaction.

With all due respect, your reaction and responses are totally
inappropriate. Propane is extremely explosive and quite deadly to
boats and people in small quantities. The only acceptable level of
risk is zero, and the only acceptable location for a leaking cylinder
is somewhere else. You have no business posting advice or opinions on
a boating group since you have no knowledge of boats to impart.

With all due respect, what I said was totally appropriate. Frog over
reacted and could easily have dealt with the situation without
polluting the environment with a metal canister.

He could have attached the can to his spare anchor (he has one
right?), and dumped on the down current side of the boat. Then, any
out-gassing would have moved with the current and away from his boat.

He claims that it was leaking, so it couldn't have been full. He then
goes on the claim that a wading pool is somehow equivalent to an
entire ocean. Further, he claims that the gas would somehow migrate UP
into his boat through various holes, then migrate UP some more to
finally get into the cabin.

Finally, you claim that I post off-topic and you don't like it. When I
post something that's on topic, you don't like it and try to slam me
for doing so. You're a hypocrite and not even good at hiding it.

If you're so upset by me, why are you so concerned? Why don't you just
ignore me like you ignore anything else that doesn't fit into your
tiny little box of what is and what isn't acceptable?

Frog has yet to address the quite valid responses and suggestions I
made. If he were a real sailor, he would learn from his mistakes and
accept the criticism. Obviously neither you nor he can do that.

Some one struck a raw nerve, I see. Poor baby. Get over it. Or better
yet, feel free to get out.

Propane canister from hell
 

North Star wrote:
On Jun 14, 1:04 pm, wrote:

Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

So now it's a hazzard to innocent sailors!
Why didn't you put a match to it?

What is a "hazzard", dummy?

Propane canister from hell
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:24:51 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 14, 5:22*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:12*pm, Richard Casady
wrote:





On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 14, 3:38*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote:
In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5-
,
says...

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank? snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin
in a heartbeat.

Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the
boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh...
and I don't know diddly about boats.

Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. *I take the grill off the stern
rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. *It was a
very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes.
Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near
my boat and propane could get aboard. *Safety requires you get rid of
it ASAP. *Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require
several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches,
I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed
out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. *BTW, physics says
enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way
to the bottom" at least in shallow water.
Hazard to navigation? *WHAT? *In a few hours, it will be empty and you
think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? *Be serious.

I don't consider it boating, more like cave diving, far too risky, but
they sell hundred mile per hour boats. You would hit with four hundred
times the impact energy at 100 as you would at 5, with, say, a
sailboat. Such a boat might be badly, even fatally, damaged. Less
farfetched, I would not care to pay the possible repairs to the
sterndrive on my starcraft.

Casady

If yer worried about a 16 oz canister, are you more worried about the
logs floating around out there from the rivers?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

16 oz canister??
I envisioned a 10 lb propane tank...... the kind we carried on my
buddy's Mirage 33.

That's the normal size, right? The kind people connect to their stove?
That's what I was originally thinking he had, but no, it's some tiny
container for little bbq.

The normal size is five gallons or twenty pounds. Tiny disposable 14
ounce cans are for soldering, not cooking.

Casady

Nope, I do a lot of camping and have a very small trailer. I use the
tiny canisters, I can pack them easier...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Propane canister from hell
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:52:16 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 15, 10:56*am, I_am_Tosk
wrote:
In article 61bf9a6f-2085-4fe0-8a3d-de56b62dbe10
@z33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says...





On Jun 15, 8:24 am, iBoat wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/14/11 11:01 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:59 -0700, wrote:

But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

Fixing things with what you have on hand and dealing with the
unexpected are all part of international cruising, sometimes a big
part. The big mega yacht cruisers are maintained to a very high
degree of reliability but they generally have an engineer in the crew
and a big supply of spares on hand to keep things working.

Since we bought the trawler 7 years ago I've learned enough new
skills, and acquired the tools, to be a junior tradesman in 3 or 4
different fields.

Spending most of one's time on a boat fixing what lack of proper
maintenance caused is fun for some people, I guess. If you are retired
and therefore your time isn't valuable, wasting a lot of it trying to
get a generator, engine, refrigeration unit, transmission, et cetera,
working may be part of "international cruising," as you say, and which
means I'd never enjoy being an "international cruiser."

Whatever floats your boat.

Who gives a **** what YOU would or would not enjoy? Go back to your own
fantastic group.

Why does plum seem to think that putting the canister in water affects
its release of gas? *10' of water is only 5.2 psi diff. *Yes, a cloud
of gas will rise above the water. *Most sailboats, mine included have
cockpit drains close to the water thru which gas can rise meaning a
rise of only about 3' to get in the boat. *Plum seems to have *a basic
misunderstanding of the simplest physical concepts.

She is just trolling you... you are giving her what she wants,
attention... We all get it, and so does she...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Tosk:

I agree, yer right, subject closed.

Yep... another coward who can't even justify his own post. Feel free
to run and hide.

Try to justify to what? You? It doesn't matter what the hell you say,
it's only to get an argument... You obviously don't understand most of
what you are talking about but it doesn't matter as long as you can
throw out an insult and get someone, anyone, to fight about it... Most
here have your number, time to move along...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Propane canister from hell
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:55:11 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:56:48 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

She is just trolling you... you are giving her what she wants,
attention... We all get it, and so does she...

I agree don't feed the troll.

I really think plume is a teenager posing here. You notice that now
that school is out (s)he is posting all day long?

Every attorney I know is busy as hell all day and into the evening.

I think you're just a bitter old man, who is unable or more likely
unwilling to actually think coherently.

I notice that you're unwilling to "engage" me, but you have no problem
posting about me to others. So much for you ignoring me.

Oh, the drama...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Propane canister from hell
 

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:37:00 -0400, iBoat wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:24:51 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 14, 5:22*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:12*pm, Richard Casady
wrote:





On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 14, 3:38*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote:
In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5-
,
says...

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank? snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin
in a heartbeat.

Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the
boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh...
and I don't know diddly about boats.

Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. *I take the grill off the stern
rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. *It was a
very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes.
Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near
my boat and propane could get aboard. *Safety requires you get rid of
it ASAP. *Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require
several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches,
I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed
out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. *BTW, physics says
enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way
to the bottom" at least in shallow water.
Hazard to navigation? *WHAT? *In a few hours, it will be empty and you
think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? *Be serious.

I don't consider it boating, more like cave diving, far too risky, but
they sell hundred mile per hour boats. You would hit with four hundred
times the impact energy at 100 as you would at 5, with, say, a
sailboat. Such a boat might be badly, even fatally, damaged. Less
farfetched, I would not care to pay the possible repairs to the
sterndrive on my starcraft.

Casady

If yer worried about a 16 oz canister, are you more worried about the
logs floating around out there from the rivers?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

16 oz canister??
I envisioned a 10 lb propane tank...... the kind we carried on my
buddy's Mirage 33.

That's the normal size, right? The kind people connect to their stove?
That's what I was originally thinking he had, but no, it's some tiny
container for little bbq.

The normal size is five gallons or twenty pounds. Tiny disposable 14
ounce cans are for soldering, not cooking.

Casady

Guess you never saw a Magma stove, eh?

http://compare.ebay.com/like/190537311893?
var=noa&sort=BestMatch&clk_rvr_id=240682281683

THat is true. Around these parts a gas cooker is about two foot by
four and had a 20 lb tank. There are the camping stoves sold at
Wal-Mart and other places that take the small cylinder, but they sell
a fitting and hose to connect to a five gallon tank, and many use
them.
Takes a lot of gas, ice fishing and I have a five gallon tank for the
stove that takes a 14 ounce tank.

Casady

Propane canister from hell
 

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:49:45 -0700, wrote:

He could have attached the can to his spare anchor (he has one
right?), and dumped on the down current side of the boat. Then, any
out-gassing would have moved with the current and away from his boat.

Propane moves with the wind (if any), not with the "current".

I rest my case regarding your qualifications to offer advice.

Propane canister from hell
 

On Jun 15, 9:34*pm, Richard Casady
wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:37:00 -0400, iBoat wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:24:51 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 14, 5:22 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:12 pm, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 14, 3:38 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote:
In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5-
,
says...

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank? snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin
in a heartbeat.

Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the
boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh...
and I don't know diddly about boats.

Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. I take the grill off the stern
rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. It was a
very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes.
Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near
my boat and propane could get aboard. Safety requires you get rid of
it ASAP. Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require
several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches,
I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed
out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. BTW, physics says
enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way
to the bottom" at least in shallow water.
Hazard to navigation? WHAT? In a few hours, it will be empty and you
think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? Be serious.

I don't consider it boating, more like cave diving, far too risky, but
they sell hundred mile per hour boats. You would hit with four hundred
times the impact energy at 100 as you would at 5, with, say, a
sailboat. Such a boat might be badly, even fatally, damaged. Less
farfetched, I would not care to pay the possible repairs to the
sterndrive on my starcraft.

Casady

If yer worried about a 16 oz canister, are you more worried about the
logs floating around out there from the rivers?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

16 oz canister??
I envisioned a 10 lb propane tank...... the kind we carried on my
buddy's Mirage 33.

That's the normal size, right? The kind people connect to their stove?
That's what I was originally thinking he had, but no, it's some tiny
container for little bbq.

The normal size is five gallons or twenty pounds. Tiny disposable 14
ounce cans are for soldering, not cooking.

Casady

Guess you never saw a Magma stove, eh?

http://compare.ebay.com/like/190537311893?
var=noa&sort=BestMatch&clk_rvr_id=240682281683

THat is true. Around these parts *a gas cooker is about two foot by
four and had a 20 lb tank. There are the camping stoves sold at
Wal-Mart and other places that take the small cylinder, but they sell
a fitting and hose to connect to a five gallon tank, and many use
them.
Takes a lot of gas, ice fishing and I have a five gallon tank for the
stove that takes a 14 ounce tank.

Casady

My gas grill is hooked up to a 500 gal. propane bottle which also
heats my garage. . As far as cooking goes, I'll never use it all up.