the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 11/06/2011 10:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:51:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...


they were done by the right wing.

so i have facts

you have fairy tales

I have Pelosi tieing up the congress for two years with gutless
investigations against Scooter Libby while doing everything she could to
raise the price of oil and destroy the economy..

let's see...a record number of filibusters used by the GOP

the even rejected, for head of the chicago federal reserve

a nobel prize winning economist

that's what the right is doing to the US

Trying to slow down Obama and Reid, good for them...

yeah. by eliminating nobel prize winners on the fed

good move.

never let it be said the GOP ever tried to do what's right for the
country

You keep bringing up the Nobel prize, is that supposed to impress me?
About as much as the crown on the head of the king of the Jr. Prom back
in '75...

Obama's nobel prize was a flipping joke.

Cedibility damage to nodel prizes are now zero. Sort of like buying
cracker jack and unfolding one. For money, anyone can have one.

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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 11/06/2011 9:59 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:30:30 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 6:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:10:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 4:29 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


Rumor has it Obama is itching for a national sales tax. In about the 8%
range. Nothing like leftie-statism greed.

you guys got lots of rumors. hell i wouldnt be surprised if you
thought the rumor was he was a martian

Hey, all ths Obama debt spend has to be paid for somehow.

let's see...the largest components of the deficit are

1. the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003
2. the trillion dollar iraq war

obama had nothing to do with either

but, of course, the kluxer blames the black guy


Unless of course he is going to declare the USA bankrupt and eat the
heat that the USA is a failed world currency do to US-Euro banking
corruption. Euro is probably walking dead, we will see, Greece looks
like it is going to welsh big. Iceland is watching people trying to
emigrate after their welshing.

hell why not blame obama for them, too?

Don't worry, USA's turn is coming. This will deteriorate to a point
where if you don't pay the debts, the government will fall.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 09/06/2011 8:59 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:17:26 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:36:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 3:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:32:11 -0700, wrote:


It's a bit more nuanced than that, but basically you're right. The
nuance includes both lack of Dem backbone and Republican
obstructionism (the "filibuster" proof senate isn't much of an
argument, since there are wide range of Dems).

now THAT is strue. as folks point out, the dems are far less united in
their hatred of the middle class than the GOP is. the 1st order of
business of the GOP is to destroy the middle class

But the democrats beat the GOP to it, at $14.5 trillion, me thinks
unless something very radical changes, count US DC bankrupt and in
spiral debt.


and this is more right wing bull****

14.5 trillion where? how?

oh. you just heard it somewhere.

lemme know when you get some facts, OK?

Open a newspaper... the debt is 14.5 T... Duh...


gee. and almost none of this is due to obama

but he's black, you see....

Funny, the day Bush left it was $9.67T, now it is approaching $14.5T,
that means Obama was in office for over $4.5T of it.

Obama is now the responsible for the biggest debt increase the world has
ever seen from one leader. I plan on submitting Obama to the guiness
book of records.

Get over it, USA ruined by debt.


--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 09/06/2011 7:59 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:46:02 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 10:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wrote:


but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

In this case it was. If Obama wanted the Bush tax cuts to expire, all
he had to do was to veto the extension bill.

There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

Besides, the amounts were talking about, would be like using tooth picks
to save the titanic after its side was riped open. The cuts are not
that much in the $1.6 trillion, $2 trillion US Fed level corruption spend.

The real problem is that DC is living well beyond its means, sort of
like having an income of $10K/mo but spending $25K/mo. Will not last
long before real trouble starts, and in fact it already has. USD has
lost 30% value in just 4 years against the Yuan.

the real problem is that the right believes supply side mythology so
insists you can cut taxes and balance the budget

Actually yes. Study the elasticity in pricing, taxes too have
elasticity. Too low or too high and the benefits to society diminish.
Trouble now is that it is too high. Look at any nation having trouble,
some toxic mix of debt and taxes is the issue. Look at any economy
doing well, debt and taxes are much much less.

That is the growing economies of the world have less debt and less taxes.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:18:01 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/06/2011 9:59 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:30:30 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 6:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:10:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 4:29 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


Rumor has it Obama is itching for a national sales tax. In about the 8%
range. Nothing like leftie-statism greed.

you guys got lots of rumors. hell i wouldnt be surprised if you
thought the rumor was he was a martian

Hey, all ths Obama debt spend has to be paid for somehow.

let's see...the largest components of the deficit are

1. the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003
2. the trillion dollar iraq war

obama had nothing to do with either

but, of course, the kluxer blames the black guy


Unless of course he is going to declare the USA bankrupt and eat the
heat that the USA is a failed world currency do to US-Euro banking
corruption. Euro is probably walking dead, we will see, Greece looks
like it is going to welsh big. Iceland is watching people trying to
emigrate after their welshing.

hell why not blame obama for them, too?

Don't worry, USA's turn is coming. This will deteriorate to a point
where if you don't pay the debts, the government will fall.

You really hate us don't you. You're pathetic. I'm so glad you can't
get in.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:29:11 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 8:59 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:17:26 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:36:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 3:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:32:11 -0700, wrote:


It's a bit more nuanced than that, but basically you're right. The
nuance includes both lack of Dem backbone and Republican
obstructionism (the "filibuster" proof senate isn't much of an
argument, since there are wide range of Dems).

now THAT is strue. as folks point out, the dems are far less united in
their hatred of the middle class than the GOP is. the 1st order of
business of the GOP is to destroy the middle class

But the democrats beat the GOP to it, at $14.5 trillion, me thinks
unless something very radical changes, count US DC bankrupt and in
spiral debt.


and this is more right wing bull****

14.5 trillion where? how?

oh. you just heard it somewhere.

lemme know when you get some facts, OK?

Open a newspaper... the debt is 14.5 T... Duh...


gee. and almost none of this is due to obama

but he's black, you see....

Funny, the day Bush left it was $9.67T, now it is approaching $14.5T,
that means Obama was in office for over $4.5T of it.

Obama is now the responsible for the biggest debt increase the world has
ever seen from one leader. I plan on submitting Obama to the guiness
book of records.

Get over it, USA ruined by debt.

Not funny... you're a moron racist.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 11/06/2011 10:04 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:52:10 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:20:37 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

the real problem is that the right believes supply side mythology so
insists you can cut taxes and balance the budget

The problem is liars like yourself who blame Bush for laws the
democratic house and senate wrote and passed,

hmmm...tax cuts for the rich in 2001 and 2003

the GOP controlled the congress and the presidency

t
while now that Obama is in
office, it's the House of Reps, with it's minor majority and no Senate
or Oval office behind them that's responsible.. You are a dip****, your
hypocrisy is only surpassed by the likes of John and Harry Krause...

you know zip about contemporary affairs

And you could care less about truth, just talking points...

and you dont even care about the truth

Tosk is right. Your argument is basted on bu11sh1t and fiction. Fact
is, the bubble has burst and fleabaggers fear what needs to be done to
fix it.

A massive downsize of government for starters. 50% reduction in size
minimum. The footprint of current government is far too big to support
by the society. Now it can either do it voluntarily and save a lot of
grief, or it can be forced.

But we know how greedy fleabaggers are.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On 09/06/2011 8:03 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:00:35 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/06/2011 6:18 PM, wf3h wrote:
while the ku klux clowns are blaming obama for bush's turning the
economy over to the chinese, let's look at the effects of 10 years of
bush tax cuts


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and the right wing tells us how WONDERFUL this is...the rich are
getting richer...the middle class, worthless scum that they are, are
paying for it.

as god intended.

Do the math fleabagger. Oh wait, I forgot, fleabaggers are mentally
challenged so lets summarize it.

says the guy who thinks obama was pres in 2001


Now 0.1% is 1:1000. Only about 100M taxpayers. That means the claim is
100,000 people make over $3M/year. First, I seriously question that
number as being far too high, but lets go with it.

100,000 * .5M is only $50B so.... with a $1600B overspend, where do you
suggest the other $1550B comes from?

hey you tell me. you guys cut taxes on the 0.1% and let the normal
working people die on the vine

Hey, you vote for debt, statism and more debt, you have to take what
comes along with it. No road paved with debt comes wealth.

No nation or individual before has succeeded with more debt. Not a one.
What makes you fleabaggers think your exempt from reality?

I believe it is greed, so much greed and selfishness you ignore reality.
And when it really bits your arses, I will laugh good.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:37:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/06/2011 10:04 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:09:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:01:12 -0400, wrote:

hmmm...tax cuts for the rich in 2001 and 2003

Only about 18% of that tax cut was "for the rich".

gee. only 1 dollar in 5, and look what they did with it!

how we doing? the economy doing fine after bankrolling the rich?

The bottom rates dropped too and created the situation we have now
where 53% of families do not pay federal income tax.

gee that's a shame. the rich have had a 500% pay increase in the last
30 years while middle class incomes have been stagnant

and the rich bankrupted the country in the last 3 years

but he says the middle class is overpaid and undertaxed while the rich
are taking it on the chin

Might be more accurate to say th rich left in the last 3 years. And are
still doing so.

Some of the companies I own are relocating offshore. Greedy government
taxes. In todays world it is easy to move offshore.

More like greedy corporations, and an idiot like you.

the success of the bush tax cuts
 

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:52:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 10/06/2011 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:13:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:53:16 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:16:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wrote:

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

well lets see...the GOP has had the house for 5 months

how they doing? they balance the budget?

Exactly the same as the democrats. There are really not that much
different.


so obama's not the problem

gee. and yet the right wing continues to assert he is.

He is not part of the solution either,

And your solution is to do what? Eviscerate the middle class and the
poor, and leave the rich alone.


and let the middle class take it on the chin...as is usual when the
GOP is involved.

Make up your mind. Were the Bush and now Obama tax cuts a good thing
or a bad thing. You are arguing with yourself now

HAHAHAH you kind of forgot

obama proposed a tax cut ONLY for those making less than 250K


The $250k and above tax may be nice symbolism but it is insignificant.

It's not insignificant. It's a great start.



There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

uh no.

he proposed ONLY a tax cut for the middle class

The tax cuts on the 250k and over people are only 18% of the total
deal, virtually insignificant. Obama's 14% drop in the FICA tax costs
over twice what that would have given us back.

ummm...if they're insignifican

why does ALL GOP policy focus on cutting their taxes?

if the amount is so small, why does the GOP refuse to cut taxes unless
they're rincluded??

They are idiots too.


We really needed Obama to veto the whole renewal bill

And the result would have been even more pain for people least able to
handle it.

Actually true. As Mr Rich might move the business elsewhere and the
people who need to work get unemployed.

I have never hidden why I left USA in 2004, it was economical to do so.
And I was right...

Actually, you remain stupid. You "left" because you were thrown out.