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Just how stupid are RBP posters?
Excuse me y'all... I'm still a newbie here and I only post now and then
(usually asking questions and leeching info.) I have yet another question... Who is this nitwit (this "Tim" fellow)? And just what is his agenda? Did he have a loved one die in a canoe accident or something? Is his next theme going to be magnetic zippers so no one catches their "wee wee" in a zipper again? I guess everyone needs their "cross to bear" but this guy seems a bit over the top to me. Here, save yourself reading his book... Understand yourself and your capabilities and understand your boat. Keep a PFD handy (if not on.) Ed Tim Ingram wrote: Charles Pezeshki wrote in message ... Hi Folks, Timmy's back, and he almost ruined the ng the last time. For those that can't seem to put two logical thoughts together, his book is 'published' by a company that for the price of the paper + commission will print out his screed and ship it to you. In other words, it ain't a book. The 'press release' was written by HIM. This isn't going to erupt into some big scandal that's gonna require everyone to modify their canoes. Do any of you have any idea how much it takes to get the attention of the American public? Please don't assume that the problems we have in WW or even fla****er paddling are going to attach themselves to the American mind. Between 30K-40K people die yearly in car accidents, and no one frankly gives a damn. Whole countries go up in smoke, and the majority of folks can't even locate them on the map. Don't self-aggrandize. RBP is not only stupid , it is murderous Charles. And you fit the profile of the ordinary Nazi citizen (if you read Goldhagen's book.) You think, like Marsh, that if canoes and kayaks are such a tiny group(100,000 new US boats annually), then you are entitled to murder as cruelly as possible, since the NUMBER of deaths is still far less than General Motors. However, the RATE of deaths is far higher than GM in exposure hours. Canoes and kayaks are much more deadly than Ford Firestone Explorers! This is because you want it this way, apparently. Sure, Charles Manson had fewer deaths, but his Rate of of Death per exposure hour was far higher than canoes and kayaks. That is why he will never get out! If you read the link: http://www.1stBooks.com/bookview/16818 You will find that RBP, the American Canoe Association, and the murder cult around kayaking and canoeing has a far higher Death Rate than any other scandal in history. And to refer to Goldhagen, Milgram, and thousands of other academic studies attempting to explain the extermination of over 6 million people in Germany, you will find yourself right in there, like the other Charles. You have no right to murder US citizens in canoes and kayaks, for any reason. Nor do any of your RBP murdering friends. How do you compare to bin Laden regarding rate of death? Well, his organization has been full bore for about a decade. Your organization, RBP and the US canoe and kayak industry have been at it longer, but over the same past decade you have well over 1,500 Canadian and US canoe and kayak deaths (USCG BARD data, Also 2001 testimony in US Congress and Canadian databases.) So you fall short of Sept. 11 with just less than 3,000 dead US, Canadian, and other citizens. But you are doing everthing you can to make certain that people die in the water, as the link points out. You like to see 2 little eleven year old Girl Guides die a long and cruel death thinking of their parents who they will never see again. Almost all canoe and kayak deaths are long and cruel. My next book, soon to be published will be a study in attitudes and murder (essentially criminal profiling). Your posts (all of you) in RBP over the years have chillingly documented in the US and Canada, what Goldhagen did for Germany. You may be stupid at RBP, but you are not that stupid. You know it is wrong to make canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible. The American Canoe Association is now using more "bait and switch" in meetings with the USCG so often, that all of my points about them in the current book, ISBN 1-4107-4568-6 (Library of Congress etc.), will be greatly amplified in the new book. The real story is the deliberate and organized murder of US and Canadian citizens by people acting in a nasty group, like you Charles. Tim This ng can offer fun, companionship and solace to all paddlers. But it can't do this if it doesn't exist-- and Timmy has demonstrated that he has the will to do nothing but post as long as he is responded to. We've seen this before. Please, PLEASE resist the temptation. Like Momma always said, a show without an audience doesn't last long. Chuck http://www.wildcountry.info |
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Just how stupid are RBP posters?
Hi Ed
Have you ever read "Gladly, the Cross-Eyed Bear"? Well, if even you did, that wouldn't help you understand Timmy. The world is filled with folks scheming to GET poor little Timmy. He has only his paranoia for company. So take it easy on the poor guy. Maybe he'll go away to rec.suicide.bombers.still.alive and rant there. Meanwhile, read the nice folks posts. Like Mary Malmos who hits the nail on the head every time. John Adams "Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message ... Excuse me y'all... I'm still a newbie here and I only post now and then (usually asking questions and leeching info.) I have yet another question... Who is this nitwit (this "Tim" fellow)? And just what is his agenda? Did he have a loved one die in a canoe accident or something? Is his next theme going to be magnetic zippers so no one catches their "wee wee" in a zipper again? I guess everyone needs their "cross to bear" but this guy seems a bit over the top to me. Here, save yourself reading his book... Understand yourself and your capabilities and understand your boat. Keep a PFD handy (if not on.) Ed Tim Ingram wrote: Charles Pezeshki wrote in message ... Hi Folks, Timmy's back, and he almost ruined the ng the last time. For those that can't seem to put two logical thoughts together, his book is 'published' by a company that for the price of the paper + commission will print out his screed and ship it to you. In other words, it ain't a book. The 'press release' was written by HIM. This isn't going to erupt into some big scandal that's gonna require everyone to modify their canoes. Do any of you have any idea how much it takes to get the attention of the American public? Please don't assume that the problems we have in WW or even fla****er paddling are going to attach themselves to the American mind. Between 30K-40K people die yearly in car accidents, and no one frankly gives a damn. Whole countries go up in smoke, and the majority of folks can't even locate them on the map. Don't self-aggrandize. RBP is not only stupid , it is murderous Charles. And you fit the profile of the ordinary Nazi citizen (if you read Goldhagen's book.) You think, like Marsh, that if canoes and kayaks are such a tiny group(100,000 new US boats annually), then you are entitled to murder as cruelly as possible, since the NUMBER of deaths is still far less than General Motors. However, the RATE of deaths is far higher than GM in exposure hours. Canoes and kayaks are much more deadly than Ford Firestone Explorers! This is because you want it this way, apparently. Sure, Charles Manson had fewer deaths, but his Rate of of Death per exposure hour was far higher than canoes and kayaks. That is why he will never get out! If you read the link: http://www.1stBooks.com/bookview/16818 You will find that RBP, the American Canoe Association, and the murder cult around kayaking and canoeing has a far higher Death Rate than any other scandal in history. And to refer to Goldhagen, Milgram, and thousands of other academic studies attempting to explain the extermination of over 6 million people in Germany, you will find yourself right in there, like the other Charles. You have no right to murder US citizens in canoes and kayaks, for any reason. Nor do any of your RBP murdering friends. How do you compare to bin Laden regarding rate of death? Well, his organization has been full bore for about a decade. Your organization, RBP and the US canoe and kayak industry have been at it longer, but over the same past decade you have well over 1,500 Canadian and US canoe and kayak deaths (USCG BARD data, Also 2001 testimony in US Congress and Canadian databases.) So you fall short of Sept. 11 with just less than 3,000 dead US, Canadian, and other citizens. But you are doing everthing you can to make certain that people die in the water, as the link points out. You like to see 2 little eleven year old Girl Guides die a long and cruel death thinking of their parents who they will never see again. Almost all canoe and kayak deaths are long and cruel. My next book, soon to be published will be a study in attitudes and murder (essentially criminal profiling). Your posts (all of you) in RBP over the years have chillingly documented in the US and Canada, what Goldhagen did for Germany. You may be stupid at RBP, but you are not that stupid. You know it is wrong to make canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible. The American Canoe Association is now using more "bait and switch" in meetings with the USCG so often, that all of my points about them in the current book, ISBN 1-4107-4568-6 (Library of Congress etc.), will be greatly amplified in the new book. The real story is the deliberate and organized murder of US and Canadian citizens by people acting in a nasty group, like you Charles. Tim This ng can offer fun, companionship and solace to all paddlers. But it can't do this if it doesn't exist-- and Timmy has demonstrated that he has the will to do nothing but post as long as he is responded to. We've seen this before. Please, PLEASE resist the temptation. Like Momma always said, a show without an audience doesn't last long. Chuck http://www.wildcountry.info |
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Ed Edelenbos wrote:
Who is this nitwit (this "Tim" fellow)? Well, you've got the first part right. And just what is his agenda? His agenda is simply to fill his pockets with cash by any means necessary, including exploiting the tragic deaths of children. Don't buy into the safety crap, it's really all about money. He sells inflatable sponsons, which he considers to the the ultimate safety device. He's been campaigning for years to make them mandatory on kayaks and canoes. Oddly, he's a Brit turned Canadian, but he's been pushing his agenda mainly in the US. Go figure. Tim is obviously paranoid and delusional, and believes that the kayak industry and this newsgroup are plotting against him. He seems to see the newsgroup as a single entity, one mind (maybe we should rename it to rec.BORG. paddle). He also apparently believes that everyone involved with kayak safety training is intentionally trying to kill paddlers. Over the top? Uh...yeah...that's putting it mildly. Just the kind of guy you'd want to turn to for rational safety advice, right? -- Regards Brian |
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" John Q Adams" typed:
[snip] Meanwhile, read the nice folks posts. Like Mary Malmos who hits the nail on the head every time. Well... 99 times outta 100! She has a swell balance of analytical ability (left brain?) and human understanding (right brain?), which sorta just boils down to good sense and good judgment, grounded in solid scientific reality. Two paddling buddies and I enjoyed Mary's hospitality when we were in Massachusetts to paddle the Deerfield release, several Septembers ago. One of those buddies, Sally, subsequently arranged a paddling trip to [summers in Central America] with Mary. In consequence of that visit, I am here to report that Mary is one OK amiga, in every way. -- -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley, Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net 1-301-775-0471 Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll. rhople[at]wfubmc[dot]edu 1-336-713-5077 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters. ================================================== ==================== |
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Dave Van wrote: in article , Brian Nystrom at wrote on 8/15/03 5:52 AM: Ed Edelenbos wrote: Who is this nitwit (this "Tim" fellow)? Well, you've got the first part right. And just what is his agenda? His agenda is simply to fill his pockets with cash by any means necessary, including exploiting the tragic deaths of children. I think his motives are beyond monetary at this time. It almost seems like he's trying to get revenge for not being revered for his efforts and welcomed into the paddling community and industry with open arms and warm applause. Sounds about right. He's deluded and thinks that since nobody in the society he wants to be part of loves him, he'll give plenty of reason to hate him. There's a name for it but I can't remember what it is. I think the psychiatric term is "whacked". ;-) -- Regards Brian |
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Dave Van writes:
in article , Brian Nystrom at wrote on 8/15/03 5:52 AM: Ed Edelenbos wrote: Who is this nitwit (this "Tim" fellow)? Well, you've got the first part right. And just what is his agenda? His agenda is simply to fill his pockets with cash by any means necessary, including exploiting the tragic deaths of children. I think his motives are beyond monetary at this time. Concur. There are many easier ways to make a buck. -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, Other days you're the bug. |
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"Michael Daly" wrote in message . cable.rogers.com...
On 14-Aug-2003, (Tim Ingram) wrote: RBP is not only stupid , it is murderous Charles. And you fit the profile of the ordinary Nazi citizen (if you read Goldhagen's book.) Timmyboy - read this carefully - Psychiatry is covered by OHIP. You can get help at no cost. Get yourself a shrink and a life. Mike Read this carefully: http://www.1stBooks.com/bookview/16818 Do you like murdering children? Tim |
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HI Mary,
A point about the law. In order to show libel in the US, you must document and demonstrate damages. This is NOT the case in Great Britain. Tim is extremely annoying, but it would be impossible for anyone to show damages from his actions. Chuck in article , Mary Malmros at wrote on 8/20/03 4:14 AM: Out of curiosity, has anyone slapped this loon with a libel suit? -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, Other days you're the bug. |
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Charles Pezeshki wrote: HI Mary, A point about the law. In order to show libel in the US, you must document and demonstrate damages. This is NOT the case in Great Britain. Tim is extremely annoying, but it would be impossible for anyone to show damages from his actions. True, but isn't "defamation of character" also illegal. He's calling us all "murderers" and likening us to Nazis and terrorists. Surely that's not acceptable. -- Regards Brian |
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Brian Nystrom wrote in message ...
Charles Pezeshki wrote: HI Mary, A point about the law. In order to show libel in the US, you must document and demonstrate damages. This is NOT the case in Great Britain. Tim is extremely annoying, but it would be impossible for anyone to show damages from his actions. True, but isn't "defamation of character" also illegal. He's calling us all "murderers" and likening us to Nazis and terrorists. Surely that's not acceptable. Don't knock it, Brian. Whe more wild-eyed his (documented and archived, heh heh!) rantings on the web, the more powerful the ammunition we will have if boaters must stand against him before the Coast Guard or some legislative body. All he is doing is providing material with which he can be discredited. -- -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley, Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net 1-301-775-0471 Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll. rhople[at]wfubmc[dot]edu 1-336-713-5077 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters. ================================================== ==================== |
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in article , Brian Nystrom at
wrote on 8/21/03 3:45 AM: True, but isn't "defamation of character" also illegal. He's calling us all "murderers" and likening us to Nazis and terrorists. Surely that's not acceptable. -- Regards Brian HI Folks, A point of clarification for all those that believe that the U.S. Legal system is so messed up that anyone can sue anyone and win. It isn't. Anyone can FILE a suit-- but if the suit is frivolous, the lawyer that filed the suit can be sanctioned. There has to be some basis, provable to a judge (who decides whether sanctions are warranted) for any given lawsuit. There are two types of procedure in U.S. Law-- civil and criminal. Such claims as defamation of character or libel are civil procedure-- which means that a citizen (represented by an attorney) can file a complaint. But you have no complaint if you can't show DAMAGES. DAMAGES are usually considered monetary in form-- you have to have compensatable damages to get anywhere. Criminal charges must be filed by the appropriate prosecuting attorney, and follow a whole 'nother process. You may say your character is defamed, but if you cannot show harm/damages, you have no case. Just because you can sue someone for anything does not mean you can WIN. And it doesn't mean that your case won't be dismissed INSTANTANEOUSLY. An unpopular opinion in public, currently-- largely because the public does not realize that civil procedure is the only refuge of the weak against large corporations-- but our legal system, while FAR from perfect, has many admirable characteristics. "Tort reform"-- meaning a "free lunch" for the rich, is trumpeted by the rich using tools such as the fabled 'McDonalds lawsuit' and the recent lawsuit against fatty foods. Reality is that without tort law, we would all be getting sliced and diced in auto accidents, we'd still have lots of unsafe home products, products would be labelled deceptively, and on and on. Why the public seems so bound and determined to give up their one major tool against the powerful is BEYOND me. As far as name-calling goes, who cares what Timmy says? I mean, really? Chuck |
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Charles,
Thanks for the clarification. You're right about the monetary damage. Unless some of the guides here could show that he cost them clients (how would they know), I guess there's not much of a case, since this amounts to little more than Timmy hurling invectives at us from his sandbox. However, I wonder if the ACA has a case, especially in view of their being impugned in his book? -- Regards Brian |
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You don't have to show damages if it is libel per se
http://dictionary.law.com/definition...d=%7C%7C%7C%7C I think saying there is a conspirousy to kill children in order to make money selling kayaks would probably fit. --dan "Charles Pezeshki" wrote in message ... in article , Brian Nystrom at wrote on 8/21/03 3:45 AM: True, but isn't "defamation of character" also illegal. He's calling us all "murderers" and likening us to Nazis and terrorists. Surely that's not acceptable. -- Regards Brian HI Folks, A point of clarification for all those that believe that the U.S. Legal system is so messed up that anyone can sue anyone and win. It isn't. Anyone can FILE a suit-- but if the suit is frivolous, the lawyer that filed the suit can be sanctioned. There has to be some basis, provable to a judge (who decides whether sanctions are warranted) for any given lawsuit. There are two types of procedure in U.S. Law-- civil and criminal. Such claims as defamation of character or libel are civil procedure-- which means that a citizen (represented by an attorney) can file a complaint. But you have no complaint if you can't show DAMAGES. DAMAGES are usually considered monetary in form-- you have to have compensatable damages to get anywhere. Criminal charges must be filed by the appropriate prosecuting attorney, and follow a whole 'nother process. You may say your character is defamed, but if you cannot show harm/damages, you have no case. Just because you can sue someone for anything does not mean you can WIN. And it doesn't mean that your case won't be dismissed INSTANTANEOUSLY. An unpopular opinion in public, currently-- largely because the public does not realize that civil procedure is the only refuge of the weak against large corporations-- but our legal system, while FAR from perfect, has many admirable characteristics. "Tort reform"-- meaning a "free lunch" for the rich, is trumpeted by the rich using tools such as the fabled 'McDonalds lawsuit' and the recent lawsuit against fatty foods. Reality is that without tort law, we would all be getting sliced and diced in auto accidents, we'd still have lots of unsafe home products, products would be labelled deceptively, and on and on. Why the public seems so bound and determined to give up their one major tool against the powerful is BEYOND me. As far as name-calling goes, who cares what Timmy says? I mean, really? Chuck |
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I keep hoping that someone, somewhere will tell us just how stupid we are.
Promises, promises. "dan" dancytronatyahoo.com wrote in message ... You don't have to show damages if it is libel per se http://dictionary.law.com/definition...d=%7C%7C%7C%7C I think saying there is a conspirousy to kill children in order to make money selling kayaks would probably fit. --dan "Charles Pezeshki" wrote in message ... in article , Brian Nystrom at wrote on 8/21/03 3:45 AM: True, but isn't "defamation of character" also illegal. He's calling us all "murderers" and likening us to Nazis and terrorists. Surely that's not acceptable. -- Regards Brian HI Folks, A point of clarification for all those that believe that the U.S. Legal system is so messed up that anyone can sue anyone and win. It isn't. Anyone can FILE a suit-- but if the suit is frivolous, the lawyer that filed the suit can be sanctioned. There has to be some basis, provable to a judge (who decides whether sanctions are warranted) for any given lawsuit. There are two types of procedure in U.S. Law-- civil and criminal. Such claims as defamation of character or libel are civil procedure-- which means that a citizen (represented by an attorney) can file a complaint. But you have no complaint if you can't show DAMAGES. DAMAGES are usually considered monetary in form-- you have to have compensatable damages to get anywhere. Criminal charges must be filed by the appropriate prosecuting attorney, and follow a whole 'nother process. You may say your character is defamed, but if you cannot show harm/damages, you have no case. Just because you can sue someone for anything does not mean you can WIN. And it doesn't mean that your case won't be dismissed INSTANTANEOUSLY. An unpopular opinion in public, currently-- largely because the public does not realize that civil procedure is the only refuge of the weak against large corporations-- but our legal system, while FAR from perfect, has many admirable characteristics. "Tort reform"-- meaning a "free lunch" for the rich, is trumpeted by the rich using tools such as the fabled 'McDonalds lawsuit' and the recent lawsuit against fatty foods. Reality is that without tort law, we would all be getting sliced and diced in auto accidents, we'd still have lots of unsafe home products, products would be labelled deceptively, and on and on. Why the public seems so bound and determined to give up their one major tool against the powerful is BEYOND me. As far as name-calling goes, who cares what Timmy says? I mean, really? Chuck |
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Hi Dan,
Libel per se also depends on the credibility of the source, and the credibility of the charges. If you were to go in front of a judge and argue that you were libeled by Timmy's statements, the judge, upon considering the record, would laugh his/her ass off-- and then sanction your lawyer. Tell ya what, folks. Brian has already said he's willing to take a tort claim against Timmy. Brian has already admitted to insanity by inference in an earlier post. I suggest that Brian take his claim, with all the printed e-mails, to a lawyer and see if he can find one to take his case based on contingency. Then I recommend that Brian try to find one that will take his case based on getting paid an hourly fee. Good luck on your journey, Brian. Maybe that will get you to stop posting back to Timmy. Chuck in article , dan at dancytronatyahoo.com wrote on 8/26/03 4:27 PM: You don't have to show damages if it is libel per se http://dictionary.law.com/definition...d=%7C%7C%7C%7C I think saying there is a conspirousy to kill children in order to make money selling kayaks would probably fit. --dan |
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Hi John,
20+ posts later (and that's just counting this thread) and you have to ask? The answer is: "Very stupid indeed!" Don't you have anything better to do on Whidbey Island during the beautiful weather we've been having than post to this thread? On second thought, don't I have anything better to do? ;-) Chuck in article , John Q Adams at wrote on 8/26/03 4:48 PM: I keep hoping that someone, somewhere will tell us just how stupid we are. Promises, promises. |
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On 26-Aug-2003, Charles Pezeshki wrote:
I suggest that Brian take his claim, with all the printed e-mails, to a lawyer and see if he can find one to take his case based on contingency. Factor in the fact that timmy is in Canada, Brian's in the US. Mike |
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What the hell are you talking about? I never said any such thing. I merely asked
if there were legal grounds for such an action. Take your smart-ass comments and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, Chuckie! Charles Pezeshki wrote: Hi Dan, Libel per se also depends on the credibility of the source, and the credibility of the charges. If you were to go in front of a judge and argue that you were libeled by Timmy's statements, the judge, upon considering the record, would laugh his/her ass off-- and then sanction your lawyer. Tell ya what, folks. Brian has already said he's willing to take a tort claim against Timmy. Brian has already admitted to insanity by inference in an earlier post. I suggest that Brian take his claim, with all the printed e-mails, to a lawyer and see if he can find one to take his case based on contingency. Then I recommend that Brian try to find one that will take his case based on getting paid an hourly fee. Good luck on your journey, Brian. Maybe that will get you to stop posting back to Timmy. Chuck in article , dan at dancytronatyahoo.com wrote on 8/26/03 4:27 PM: You don't have to show damages if it is libel per se http://dictionary.law.com/definition...d=%7C%7C%7C%7C I think saying there is a conspirousy to kill children in order to make money selling kayaks would probably fit. --dan |
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Yep, we're a bunch of "DON'T BEES" in this group!
(If you get THAT joke, you've got to be at least 40!) Chuck in article , Mary Malmros at wrote on 8/26/03 6:33 PM: I keep hoping that someone, somewhere will tell us just how stupid we are. We're so stupid, we failed Romper Room. |
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weee's ayn't stoopid, weee's just argumentative and's overly
opinioneighted... and overtly board. |
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