Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!

Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".

No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On May 30, 10:25*am, wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John H
wrote:









Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!

Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

Problem is, Greg. The solenoid is an integral part of the starter
motor. It can be purchased separately, but the dealer wants 300.00 $
for one and actually it's a variant of what is on an old Datsun 280Z
starter.

The cap is broken on John's and the solonoid is a sealed unit, so.....

A solonoid is darn cheap but the trick is installing it. it's not
just a bolt-on operation, and if you hold your tongue just right you
might make it on the first try. after the third though, you figure you
have to disassemble the entire unit... Not a fun case in John's
situation.

Anyhow, Tuesday, I'll call it in and by Fri, (or sooner) John should
be up and running.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Mon, 30 May 2011 09:07:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On May 30, 10:25*am, wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John H
wrote:









Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!

Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

Problem is, Greg. The solenoid is an integral part of the starter
motor. It can be purchased separately, but the dealer wants 300.00 $
for one and actually it's a variant of what is on an old Datsun 280Z
starter.

The cap is broken on John's and the solonoid is a sealed unit, so.....

A solonoid is darn cheap but the trick is installing it. it's not
just a bolt-on operation, and if you hold your tongue just right you
might make it on the first try. after the third though, you figure you
have to disassemble the entire unit... Not a fun case in John's
situation.

Anyhow, Tuesday, I'll call it in and by Fri, (or sooner) John should
be up and running.

Yippee, yippee, yippee!

Reminds me of a great song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2cFji4CmHE

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:03:38 -0400, Gene
wrote:

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....

I'll second that.

You don't need a torque wrench to do damage. I was re-wiring a
surface mount circuit breaker that cost about $60 earlier this year.
Using my brand new cordless drill/driver I turned it into about 10
worthless pieces of broken plastic in about a millisecond. They just
don't make this stuff like they used to... :-)

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:03:38 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!

Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".

No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.

Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....

Well, now I know better. I've never noticed a problem with it before, but I've never used it for
anything that 'light' before either.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/31/2011 8:36 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:03:38 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....
Well, now I know better. I've never noticed a problem with it before, but I've never used it for
anything that 'light' before either.
Use a nut driver instead, on light stuff and resist the urge to give it
one last twist.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/31/11 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.

Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....



A. You're replying to an ID spoofer, Gene.

B. I was and am still friendly with the two professional outboard
mechanics who used to post here, and there never was any rancor between
us on any subject. The other guy I recall, the guy who fixed up dead
Mercuries, was also an affable fellow.

Your "advice" to the ID spoofer is right-on.

Have a nice day, and come by the new site for a visit and to post.





--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article ,
says...

On 5/31/11 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.

Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....



A. You're replying to an ID spoofer, Gene.

B. I was and am still friendly with the two professional outboard
mechanics who used to post here, and there never was any rancor between
us on any subject. The other guy I recall, the guy who fixed up dead
Mercuries, was also an affable fellow.

Your "advice" to the ID spoofer is right-on.

Have a nice day, and come by the new site for a visit and to post.

snerk

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article m,
says...

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Yes, Krause attacks and insults 40+ times a day, but when a conservative
answers one of those posts, the whole issue, the 40 posts all were
caused by the one post made after the fourty insults... snerk Guess
Gene's best subject wasn't math... ;)


--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:38:55 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida Jim
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.

Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....

You really believe Harry is the way he is because he was 'egged on'? I would have given him more
credit than that. You think he's that susceptible to 'egging', huh?

Wow. That's not much of a compliment.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:41:55 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida Jim
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/31/11 8:41 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....


Gene,
I have never done anything but try to encourage a group where boating
discussions are encouraged and personal insults are not allowed. The
conservativetrash pricks who infest this newsgroup have ruined this group.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 5/31/11 9:49 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:00 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:41:55 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....





Gene, Forget it, you are not allowed in my new Google Group

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:49:20 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:41:55 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida Jim
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about 60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****, that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid, the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75 that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 01/06/2011 2:36 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 5/31/11 9:49 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:00 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:41:55 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat
started, which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home
and check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and
then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there
showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench,
which I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about
60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been
achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it
another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul
language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****,
that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new
engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not
gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota
instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White
dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid,
the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I
took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could
best determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the
boat, thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing
the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how
badly Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi
product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric
designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75
that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure
fuel pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it
listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only
believe they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to
extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they
would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it
for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely
registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my
mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been
through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust
me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys
like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what
you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant
equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....





Gene, Forget it, you are not allowed in my new Google Group

Gee thanks, they he will not have to eat fleabagger sh1t.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:08:34 -0400, John H
wrote:

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Give it up, Gene.
This group is full of petulant sissies.
Herring is just another of them.
No different than Krause, just doesn't post as much.
The adults have left the stage.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 01/06/2011 2:35 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 5/31/11 8:41 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started,
which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and
check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and
then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there
showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which
I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about
60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been
achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it
another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul
language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****,
that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new
engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not
gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota
instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White
dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid,
the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I
took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best
determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat,
thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing
the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly
Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi
product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric
designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75
that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel
pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it
listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe
they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to
extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it
for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely
registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my
mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....


Gene,
I have never done anything but try to encourage a group where boating
discussions are encouraged and personal insults are not allowed. The
conservativetrash pricks who infest this newsgroup have ruined this group.

Hey harryk, you have consistently been one of the worst offenders for
YEARS!!!

2 on topic posts about boats the other day, you passed them right on by
to spam this group with your narcissistic love-in group that no one
cares about. Often, you chirp with nothing to say but a flea type bite.

Don't ask me how you got into boating, most boaters I know tend to be
conservative and independent as 10 miles from shore Obama isn't going to
be there to wipe your ass. You tend to be needy and greedy fleabagger
type.

And people would be stupid to give you personal information so they can
join what, 3 or 4 fleaaggers?

Hey, how come you even come back to this group? Just fleabag'n.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/1/11 4:25 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/06/2011 2:35 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 5/31/11 8:41 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started,
which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and
check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and
then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there
showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which
I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about
60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been
achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it
another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul
language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****,
that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new
engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not
gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota
instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White
dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid,
the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I
took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best
determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat,
thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing
the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly
Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi
product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric
designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75
that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel
pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it
listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe
they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to
extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they
would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it
for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely
registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my
mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been
through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like
Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....


Gene,
I have never done anything but try to encourage a group where boating
discussions are encouraged and personal insults are not allowed. The
conservativetrash pricks who infest this newsgroup have ruined this
group.

Hey harryk, you have consistently been one of the worst offenders for
YEARS!!!


And once again you are responding to an ID spoofer, moron.


--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/1/11 4:25 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/06/2011 2:35 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 5/31/11 8:41 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started,
which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and
check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and
then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there
showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which
I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about
60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been
achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it
another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul
language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****,
that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new
engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not
gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota
instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White
dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid,
the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I
took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best
determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat,
thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing
the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly
Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi
product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric
designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75
that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel
pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it
listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe
they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to
extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they
would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it
for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely
registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my
mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been
through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like
Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....


Gene,
I have never done anything but try to encourage a group where boating
discussions are encouraged and personal insults are not allowed. The
conservativetrash pricks who infest this newsgroup have ruined this
group.

Hey harryk, you have consistently been one of the worst offenders for
YEARS!!!

2 on topic posts about boats the other day, you passed them right on by
to spam this group with your narcissistic love-in group that no one
cares about. Often, you chirp with nothing to say but a flea type bite.

Don't ask me how you got into boating, most boaters I know tend to be
conservative and independent as 10 miles from shore Obama isn't going to
be there to wipe your ass. You tend to be needy and greedy fleabagger type.

And people would be stupid to give you personal information so they can
join what, 3 or 4 fleaaggers?

Hey, how come you even come back to this group? Just fleabag'n.


Poor dumb Dave Canuck57.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 01/06/2011 3:02 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/1/11 4:25 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/06/2011 2:35 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 5/31/11 8:41 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:38 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/31/2011 3:38 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:14:07 -0400, Florida
wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:31:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:03:00 -0400, John
wrote:

Given all the troubles I've had with getting the boat started,
which have been due to loose grounds,
leaving switches on, etc, I decided to bring the boat home and
check it out before the outing
planned for yesterday and today.

Great intentions. I tightened the ground on the engine, and
then went to check the hot wire to the
solenoid. Well, lucky me, there was a sticker right there
showing the torque for the nut on the
solenoid! So I got out my trusty Craftsman torque wrench, which
I've used only on my motorcycle, set
it for 8 n-m, and proceeded to tighten the nut.

I couldn't believe how loose it was. After two turns of about
60 degrees with the wrench, I'd still
not felt the 'click' indicating the proper torque had been
achieved. I was surprised at how tight
that damn nut was supposed to be. But, I started to give it
another turn when 'POP', the Bakelite
plastic housing broke off. (Yes, I used a whole lot of foul
language!)

So, I called my local Yamaha guy, who gave me an 'Oh ****,
that's expensive.' He then told me he
couldn't get parts from Yamaha because he'd not sold any new
engines lately. He carried Triumph
brand boats, and as they went bankrupt last year, he's not
gotten any to sell. Upon checking, I
found they've been bought and will be produced in Minnesota
instead of NC.

So, I called TriState Marine, the big Parker and Grady White
dealer up in Deale, MD. They didn't
have the parts, but could order them. For just the solenoid,
the wanted about $570, For the complete
starter assembly, the price was about $700. I almost cried. I
took the boat up so the service guy
could look at it. He recommended leaving it so they could best
determine what was needed. Of course,
that would add another $95/hour labor charge. I left the boat,
thinking I'd probably made a $1000
boo-boo with the torque wrench.

Then I came home and called my buddy, Tim. Tim, after hearing
the story, started ROFLHAO. When I
asked why he was laughing he said he couldn't believe how badly
Yamaha was ripping off people, and
that he could get the whole starter assembly (a Hitachi
product) for about $85. So, based on the
advice of Tim, I went back to Deale and got my boat back.

Thanks, Tim. You're a lifesaver.

And, you'd *better* make a reasonable profit on this deal!!
Did you get foot pounds mixed up with some commie metric
designation?

If this is just a solenoid I think I might get creative. I know
Mercury wanted about $35 for a solenoid for my old Mariner 75
that I
could get at the lawn tractor repair for $8. Same part.

My neighbor got a quote of over $700 for the high pressure fuel
pump
for his Merc 115, with the promise that this was a deal, it
listed for
over a grand. I-Boats has it for under $200. I can only believe
they
were selling him the whole vapor separator assembly or something.
The last I heard the same "stealer" was going to allow him to
extend
his extended warranty (that expired a few weeks ago) and they
would
fix it for "free".
No, my torque wrench has both units on it. I'm used to using it
for head bolts. The 'click' I'm used
to is easy to hear and feel. At 8 n-m, the 'click' barely
registers and I passed it completely.
Later, using a vise, I played around with it and realized my
mistake. I almost took the damn thing
back to Sears, but it wasn't the wrench. It was the wrencher.
Lesson... do NOT trust a Craftsman Torque Wrench. They aren't worth
the powder to blow them to hell.... and we've probably been
through a
dozen of them.....

Finally broke down and bought Snap-On digital wrenches..... problem
solved. 8 N-m is just short of 6 ft-lbs or 72 in-lbs...... trust
me,
you don't have a wrench that will go that low...

you need a torque "screwdriver" to go that low....

Lesson 2.... a wrench will not accurately measure everything on the
"dial."

It is good that we have knowledgeable, honest, stand-up guys like
Tim
here.....





There used to be more like him but your buddy Harry drove them off.
Well, "buddy," if you and you "buddies" were smart enough not to egg
him on, that wouldn't have happened, huh? If you want somebody to
blame, go look in a mirror.... or better yet, just keep doing what
you
are doing....





You aren't suggesting that we are manipulating Krause, are you? Krause
ought to be able to stand up and be accountable for his actions, don't
you think?

Obviously, (as I've posted before), Harry is the sound of one hand
clapping, without his detractors responses, there would be no
sound....

if you wish, you can describe yourself as one hand clapping and
without Harry, there would be no sound....

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....


Gene,
I have never done anything but try to encourage a group where boating
discussions are encouraged and personal insults are not allowed. The
conservativetrash pricks who infest this newsgroup have ruined this
group.

Hey harryk, you have consistently been one of the worst offenders for
YEARS!!!

2 on topic posts about boats the other day, you passed them right on by
to spam this group with your narcissistic love-in group that no one
cares about. Often, you chirp with nothing to say but a flea type bite.

Don't ask me how you got into boating, most boaters I know tend to be
conservative and independent as 10 miles from shore Obama isn't going to
be there to wipe your ass. You tend to be needy and greedy fleabagger
type.

And people would be stupid to give you personal information so they can
join what, 3 or 4 fleaaggers?

Hey, how come you even come back to this group? Just fleabag'n.


Poor dumb Dave Canuck57.

Poor fleabagger harryk.... typical poster child fleabagger.

Hey, Obama be broke, what are you going to do when social assistance
does not come?

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:46:06 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:34:40 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I've had enough public and private correspondence with Harry to know
he isn't going to stop.... just like many of the rest. Asking people
to stop hasn't and, I believe, won't work. Ignoring the inappropriate
posts will, but that takes resolve.... and most of the flamers here
have resolved to BE flamers..... digital Hatfields and McCoys.....

At least you see the problem is on both sides. That's good.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Jun 2, 7:28*pm, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... *I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... * especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display *the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/2/11 7:12 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:28 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?


The boys remind me of the Borg Collective from Star Trek...mindless
automatons who are told what to say and think by Fox News and engineered
to act and think collectively. They simply cannot tolerate those who do
not buy into their simple-minded mindset. There isn't an intellectual
among them.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:49:06 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:28:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

OK, genius.... how do I "attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings?"
How's it working for y'all...?

Follow him mindlessly.

It's not working too well for us either. But, at least we hit both sides. You sure as hell don't.
(Although your 'private' stuff may come down hard on the boys.)

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article 5f02c5fb-64fb-4cf0-a380-e2fd428d18b6
@f2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 2, 7:28*pm, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... *I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... * especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display *the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?

Why don't you go post this **** to Harry's new group? Oh, wait there's
no one there to listen to your childish crap.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article ,
says...

On 6/2/11 7:12 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:28 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?


The boys remind me of the Borg Collective from Star Trek...mindless
automatons who are told what to say and think by Fox News and engineered
to act and think collectively. They simply cannot tolerate those who do
not buy into their simple-minded mindset. There isn't an intellectual
among them.

Why don't you post this **** to your group, Harry. No one wants you
here.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/3/2011 9:02 AM, I Boat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/2/11 7:12 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:28 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?


The boys remind me of the Borg Collective from Star Trek...mindless
automatons who are told what to say and think by Fox News and engineered
to act and think collectively. They simply cannot tolerate those who do
not buy into their simple-minded mindset. There isn't an intellectual
among them.

Why don't you post this **** to your group, Harry. No one wants you
here.

Are you sure? Let's put it to a vote.

Who thinks Harry Krause adds value for his boating contributions to
rec.boats?

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

Jay wrote:
On 6/3/2011 9:02 AM, I Boat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/2/11 7:12 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:28 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...







On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400,
wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this
stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you
meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just
Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither
will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that
everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they
are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new
handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop,
several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant
****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them
display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic
postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and
criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in
public.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Y'all girliemen sure are concerned with Gene.....
What's the matter..does it fustrate you that he steers his own course
and doesn't toe the doper line?


The boys remind me of the Borg Collective from Star Trek...mindless
automatons who are told what to say and think by Fox News and
engineered
to act and think collectively. They simply cannot tolerate those who do
not buy into their simple-minded mindset. There isn't an intellectual
among them.

Why don't you post this **** to your group, Harry. No one wants you
here.

Are you sure? Let's put it to a vote.

Who thinks Harry Krause adds value for his boating contributions to
rec.boats?
Just Harry.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/3/2011 2:39 PM, Gene wrote:
OK... I'm done.... I won't chide you in the direction of a
solution.... apparently, nobody is really interested, anyway. Have at
it...

Sometime you just have to let pigs wallow in their ****.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:39:31 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:20:50 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:49:06 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:28:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

OK, genius.... how do I "attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings?"
How's it working for y'all...?

Follow him mindlessly.

It's not working too well for us either. But, at least we hit both sides. You sure as hell don't.
(Although your 'private' stuff may come down hard on the boys.)

But, at least we hit both sides.
That is TOTAL BS.... Cite? In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group".

You sure as hell don't.
No, I don't....anymore. Trying to get Harry to stop has a lot in
common with the water and duck's back thing. However, I had hoped
you'd be smart enough to get it and help fix the problem. It appears
that I was wrong. It appears all you want to do is accuse me of some
nebulous something that aligns me with the pinko-commie-liberal regime
that somehow has me agreeing with all of Harry's posts. Keep telling
the lie....

OK... I'm done.... I won't chide you in the direction of a
solution.... apparently, nobody is really interested, anyway. Have at
it...

Whoa! You opened a new door. Please explain the solution you won't 'chide' me in the direction of.

This makes no sense to me:

"In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group". "

If you're including Scotty and Kevin in my 'group', then you're sadly mistaken. Both have told me to
**** off repeatedly - because of my attempts to stop their ****. I don't have a 'group', although
you, Harry, and Donnie seem to think so.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On 6/4/2011 8:31 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:39:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:20:50 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:49:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:28:54 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, wrote:


snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

OK, genius.... how do I "attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings?"
How's it working for y'all...?

Follow him mindlessly.

It's not working too well for us either. But, at least we hit both sides. You sure as hell don't.
(Although your 'private' stuff may come down hard on the boys.)

But, at least we hit both sides.
That is TOTAL BS.... Cite? In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group".

You sure as hell don't.
No, I don't....anymore. Trying to get Harry to stop has a lot in
common with the water and duck's back thing. However, I had hoped
you'd be smart enough to get it and help fix the problem. It appears
that I was wrong. It appears all you want to do is accuse me of some
nebulous something that aligns me with the pinko-commie-liberal regime
that somehow has me agreeing with all of Harry's posts. Keep telling
the lie....

OK... I'm done.... I won't chide you in the direction of a
solution.... apparently, nobody is really interested, anyway. Have at
it...

Whoa! You opened a new door. Please explain the solution you won't 'chide' me in the direction of.

This makes no sense to me:

"In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group"."

If you're including Scotty and Kevin in my 'group', then you're sadly mistaken. Both have told me to
**** off repeatedly - because of my attempts to stop their ****. I don't have a 'group', although
you, Harry, and Donnie seem to think so.

If you don't fit the role they imagine for you, they will reinvent you
to suit their purposes. Fleabaggers do that all the time. Kind of like
stepford wives. Their lives must be really boring.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

On Jun 4, 9:31*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:39:31 -0400, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:20:50 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:49:06 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:28:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry.... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... *I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... * especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display *the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

OK, genius.... how do I "attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings?"
How's it working for y'all...?

Follow him mindlessly.

It's not working too well for us either. But, at least we hit both sides. You sure as hell don't.
(Although your 'private' stuff may come down hard on the boys.)

But, at least we hit both sides.
That is TOTAL BS.... Cite? In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group".

You sure as hell don't.
No, I don't....anymore. Trying to get Harry to stop has a lot in
common with the water and duck's back thing. However, I had hoped
you'd be smart enough to get it and help fix the problem. It appears
that I was wrong. It appears all you want to do is accuse me of some
nebulous something that aligns me with the pinko-commie-liberal regime
that somehow has me agreeing with all of Harry's posts. Keep telling
the lie....

OK... I'm done.... I won't chide you in the direction of a
solution.... apparently, nobody is really interested, anyway. Have at
it...

Whoa! You opened a new door. Please explain the solution you won't 'chide' me in the direction of.

This makes no sense to me:

"In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group". "

If you're including Scotty and Kevin in my 'group', then you're sadly mistaken. Both have told me to
**** off repeatedly - because of my attempts to stop their ****. I don't have a 'group', although
you, Harry, and Donnie seem to think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go... mentioning me again.
Since you and 'your dopers' have no interest in boats, you'd have
nothing to talk about but brownie recipies, golf dates and
MotoGuzzlers if Harry & I weren't around.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article 20c62d19-411c-499b-ba03-d65d72b66993
@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 4, 9:31*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:39:31 -0400, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:20:50 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:49:06 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:28:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:00:28 -0400, Gene wrote:

snippage

either way, you are both equally at fault for allowing this stupidity
to continue....

I'm really happy to see the word 'equally'. I'm guessing you meant equally with Harry? So he *is*
part of the problem?

Haven't I been saying that for years? Or really, not just Harry... it
is his "side" vs. your "side."

Two sandboxes full of kids lobbing sand at each other, neither will
quit, and both swear that the other sandbox is at fault.....

You ignored this one:

My idol.... indeed... *I don't think I suggested that everybody cares,
but most people won't be as acerbic as we have here, when they are
posting with their own name.... * especially those with a new handle
every day. Are you making excuses for them? Are they YOUR idols?

No, and you'll find that I've tried to get them to stop, several times. How often have you tried to
get Harry or Donnie (North Star??) to knock off their incessant ****?

I don't converse with Scotty or Loogy any more. Both of them display *the maturity of a two-year
old.
******************

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Gene, you are just far too subtle for me.

I think Gene follows the old adage of praise in public and criticize in
private. He has to we have never seen him criticize Harry in public.

OK, genius.... how do I "attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings?"
How's it working for y'all...?

Follow him mindlessly.

It's not working too well for us either. But, at least we hit both sides. You sure as hell don't.
(Although your 'private' stuff may come down hard on the boys.)

But, at least we hit both sides.
That is TOTAL BS.... Cite? In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group".

You sure as hell don't.
No, I don't....anymore. Trying to get Harry to stop has a lot in
common with the water and duck's back thing. However, I had hoped
you'd be smart enough to get it and help fix the problem. It appears
that I was wrong. It appears all you want to do is accuse me of some
nebulous something that aligns me with the pinko-commie-liberal regime
that somehow has me agreeing with all of Harry's posts. Keep telling
the lie....

OK... I'm done.... I won't chide you in the direction of a
solution.... apparently, nobody is really interested, anyway. Have at
it...

Whoa! You opened a new door. Please explain the solution you won't 'chide' me in the direction of.

This makes no sense to me:

"In fact, why don't you post the percentage
of my responses to, say, the last 1,000 posts from Harry, vs your
"group". "

If you're including Scotty and Kevin in my 'group', then you're sadly mistaken. Both have told me to
**** off repeatedly - because of my attempts to stop their ****. I don't have a 'group', although
you, Harry, and Donnie seem to think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go... mentioning me again.
Since you and 'your dopers' have no interest in boats, you'd have
nothing to talk about but brownie recipies, golf dates and
MotoGuzzlers if Harry & I weren't around.

Here's an idea, dumb ass. leave and let's just see about that.

Sad story, some stupidity, happy ending!
 

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:08:34 -0400, John H
wrote:

I've still not seen you attempt to squelch Harry's acerbic postings? Why?

Because you have chosen not to see it, I guess.....

Give it up, Gene.
This group is full of petulant sissies.
Herring is just another of them.
No different than Krause, just doesn't post as much.
The adults have left the stage.

Gene has blinders on, always has and will never take them off.