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The Ram Manassas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas
Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm |
The Ram Manassas
"Tim" wrote in message
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Reply: The reason there was impressment on the high seas leading to unhappiness with England was the gunnery crews all went deaf and had to be replaced as they could not hear commands. |
The Ram Manassas
On May 29, 1:08*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Reply: The reason there was impressment on the high seas leading to unhappiness with England was the gunnery crews all went deaf and had to be replaced as they could not hear commands. i can believe that..... Didn't those guys ever hear (pardon the pun) of cotton balls for ear protection? |
The Ram Manassas
On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 |
The Ram Manassas
On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! |
The Ram Manassas
On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote:
On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! |
The Ram Manassas
On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:25:08 -0400, John H
wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! No idiot. That's called public funding. |
The Ram Manassas
On May 30, 10:25*am, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... |
The Ram Manassas
On Mon, 30 May 2011 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On May 30, 10:25*am, John H wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... OK, here's an idea that'll save you time. You order them on Amazon and have them sent to me. I'll read them and tell you the ending. That'll save you a *bunch* of time! |
The Ram Manassas
On May 30, 11:58*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On May 30, 10:25*am, John H wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... OK, here's an idea that'll save you time. You order them on Amazon and have them sent to me. I'll read them and tell you the ending. That'll save you a *bunch* of time! LOL! That just might work... |
The Ram Manassas
On May 30, 1:58*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On May 30, 10:25*am, John H wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26*pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " *Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... OK, here's an idea that'll save you time. You order them on Amazon and have them sent to me. I'll read them and tell you the ending. That'll save you a *bunch* of time!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You cheap #$#%$@^ With all the time & money Tim is saving you...the least you could do is buy the book he likes and ship it to him. Even better... an audio cassette so he can listen while working on your never ending problems. |
The Ram Manassas
North Star wrote:
On May 30, 1:58 pm, John wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2011 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 10:25 am, John wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 29, 4:26 pm, John wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... OK, here's an idea that'll save you time. You order them on Amazon and have them sent to me. I'll read them and tell you the ending. That'll save you a *bunch* of time!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You cheap #$#%$@^ With all the time& money Tim is saving you...the least you could do is buy the book he likes and ship it to him. Even better... an audio cassette so he can listen while working on your never ending problems. "never ending problem"? Really, dummy? |
The Ram Manassas
"Tim" wrote in message
... On May 30, 10:25 am, John H wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On May 29, 4:26 pm, John H wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Manassas Seeing I've had several ancestors who fought in the civil war, I'm always intrigued with the effectiveness ( good or bad) of primitive war machinery especially the iron clad vessels. The "Rams" were amazing creations. It seem the Manassas especially stands out - 143 ft. long and 33 ft. wide and carrying a cannon that could hurl a 62 lb. shot not counting the 40 ft. iron spike to poke holes in the hulls of the wooden ships... I can't imagine being in a semi-submersible with little ventilation, a cannon, a steam engine and no sound proofing as cannon balls violently hitting the deck. I'd think that if the percussion (even from within) didn't get you, the heat would. Even bracing for the ram could be quite injurious, I'd think. All in all, I'm sure the whole crew was eventually deaf. Interesting portion of the Wiki link: "Manassas then ran into murderous fire from the whole line of the Union fleet. She then charged USS Mississippi and delivered a long glancing blow on her hull, firing her only gun as she rammed. " Amazingly it survived only to run aground and get pounded to it's death. Another good article that has some layouts of the hull .... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...r/manassas.htm Tim, you may enjoy these, if you can stand a little fiction: http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/g/655 http://historicnavalfiction.com/inde...le-index/t/656 looks interesting, John. I'll see what's available on Amazon etc. Thanks! Hell, don't buy 'em! That's why God created libraries! John, those books look cool. I'll be looking for them too. But one disappointment I have is that the only public library we have is 10 mi away, and you have to live in the town to use it with any effectiveness. So I'll be scouting on amazon or ebay too. Now If I could find the time to read them..... Reply: Our local libraries even have digital copies for download. Livermore, CA library doesn't even require you to live in the city. |
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