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$50 for a light bulb?
**** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
$50 for a light bulb?
I_am_Tosk wrote:
**** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Tourette's? |
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In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Tourette's? Cowardice? |
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On May 17, 2:09*pm, I_am_Tosk wrote:
**** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? |
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On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. |
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On May 17, 5:28*pm, LilAbner wrote:
On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says.... On May 17, 2:09 pm, *wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. |
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On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
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On 5/17/2011 6:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. Say what? |
$50 for a light bulb?
Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. And once again, you prove you don't know **** from shoepolish about China or much else. Another slave labor factory uncovered in Guangdong Fourteen workers, including some with mental disabilities, were rescued by local government officials from a brick factory in southern Guangdong in mid-May after their plight was reported in the Guangzhou Daily. The workers, some as young as 15, had been tricked or even kidnapped by labor traffickers and sold to the brick factory operator for just 400 yuan. They were forced to work 15 hours a day and beaten by thugs if they tried to escape. One worker told the newspaper that they were paid just five yuan for three months work. This was the second slave labour case to be exposed in the region in the last three months, and local officials from Lilin township said they were investigating another dozen or so brick factories. Previous cases of slave labour in China have tended to be in relatively remote locations but Lilin is only about 50 kilometres from downtown Shenzhen. The news provoked outrage on social media sites, with netizens questioning why the factory had been able to operate under the noses of local officials for eight years and why, even after the case was exposed, the boss and his gang of thugs had not been arrested. The owner of a factory in Xinjiang, who used a group of mentally disabled people as slave labor for more than four years was sentenced to four and half years in prison on 30 April for a range of criminal offences, including forced labor and covering up a death. In September last year, one of the factory workers died after falling into a machine at the building materials plant in Toksun county. The factory owner, Li Xinglin, buried the body and did not report the death to the authorities. From China Labour Bulletin |
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On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:50:11 -0400, Harryk
wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Tourette's? A combo of that, stupidity, and being poor. |
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On 17/05/2011 4:33 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 5/17/2011 6:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. Say what? You can pay Gore pricing if you want, I am sure he will take YOUR money. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
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On 17/05/2011 4:36 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. And once again, you prove you don't know **** from shoepolish about China or much else. Know more than most, I read beyond the rhetoric. Certainly more than you. Another slave labor factory uncovered in Guangdong Funny, but beats slave labour in the US how? Dollars? $$$ blinding you? Cost of living is a fraction of the US or Canada. Fourteen workers, including some with mental disabilities, were rescued by local government officials from a brick factory in southern Guangdong in mid-May after their plight was reported in the Guangzhou Daily. Possibly, they do provide jobs to prisoners, disabled and everyone. US, and Canada big time have yet to figure out how to teach jail birds to to work in Club Fed, our disabled live in poverty. Take blind people, 90% unemployed. Of the 10%, 8% make minimum poverty wage. Yep, US and Canada, disabled as poverty slaves in the high rent district. The workers, some as young as 15, had been tricked or even kidnapped by labor traffickers and sold to the brick factory operator for just 400 yuan. They were forced to work 15 hours a day and beaten by thugs if they tried to escape. One worker told the newspaper that they were paid just five yuan for three months work. So? Sure beats being a 15 year old drug pusher or sex trade worker in the US or Canada. (yes, I know it happens here, just talk to a cop or immigration type). This was the second slave labour case to be exposed in the region in the last three months, and local officials from Lilin township said they were investigating another dozen or so brick factories. Previous cases of slave labour in China have tended to be in relatively remote locations but Lilin is only about 50 kilometres from downtown Shenzhen. What about California and Texas Mexican illegals? The news provoked outrage on social media sites, with netizens questioning why the factory had been able to operate under the noses of local officials for eight years and why, even after the case was exposed, the boss and his gang of thugs had not been arrested. US track record isn't that stellar. Perhaps better, but not stellar. I worked when I was 12, so I could get a bike. Taught me a lot. The owner of a factory in Xinjiang, who used a group of mentally disabled people as slave labor for more than four years was sentenced to four and half years in prison on 30 April for a range of criminal offences, including forced labor and covering up a death. In September last year, one of the factory workers died after falling into a machine at the building materials plant in Toksun county. The factory owner, Li Xinglin, buried the body and did not report the death to the authorities. From China Labour Bulletin If it was really slavery, I agree. But isn't like US hasn't had slaves and underground workers. 1/2 the crops int he US are picked by illegal under paid uninsured labor. In the US, try living on a disabled SS, or in Canada on CPP. Surprise here is that US is in better shape than Canada here. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
$50 for a light bulb?
On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. |
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BAR wrote:
In , says... On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. Until you can find a way to prevent your guests from stealing these high dollar light bulbs from you when they visit the won't be cost effective. Imagine as your guests leave your house after a party the house is dark, you can't walk through and clean up because all of the $50 LED light bulbs have been taken as party favors. Yes, I can imagine that when *your* guests leave. Perhaps you need to make upgrades in your circle of friends. :) |
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says... In article 056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09*pm, I_am_Tosk wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... I have compact fluorescent bulbs all over my house and love them. If you know which ones to get for which application, they are fantastic. If you don't know and just get what's on sale, there not so good. The LED's are coming down in price by the day. They last forever and give good light. |
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In article 52cab717-27da-4dc4-a2b0-cf7e57fe2088
@h36g2000pro.googlegroups.com, says... On May 17, 5:57*pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, *wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. *What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. *Last longer too. *Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. *So why do we allow our governments more debt? *Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... Well, no. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...roductDisplay? storeId=10051&productId=202188260&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku= 202188260&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D27X-_- 202188260&locStoreNum=159 |
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On 5/17/2011 8:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/05/2011 4:33 PM, LilAbner wrote: On 5/17/2011 6:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. Say what? You can pay Gore pricing if you want, I am sure he will take YOUR money. The LED's have been experimented with and still used by some RVers.. Most are unhappy with them. The light is weak and so on. It is just hard to see with them. They are like bunchs of little cheap LEZD flashlights. They hurt your eyese to look at them but the light they thow out is weak. |
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On 18/05/2011 8:13 AM, LilAbner wrote:
On 5/17/2011 8:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:33 PM, LilAbner wrote: On 5/17/2011 6:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. Say what? You can pay Gore pricing if you want, I am sure he will take YOUR money. The LED's have been experimented with and still used by some RVers.. Most are unhappy with them. The light is weak and so on. It is just hard to see with them. They are like bunchs of little cheap LEZD flashlights. They hurt your eyese to look at them but the light they thow out is weak. The newer ones actually burn my eyes a bit. I am waiting for a generation or two, they will get better and cheaper. At some point I will buy them. They seem to be getting better with the difusing of light each time I see them, some friends just bought some. Even work with dimmers. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:27:21 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. I had a CFL in an overhead light inside a closed fixture... had a spare bulb, the regular bulb burned out, so I put it in. It didn't last very long. I guess the base gets pretty hot and fries the ballast that way also. |
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiG-VpTT3UE |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! |
$50 for a light bulb?
On May 19, 8:41*am, Hairy Kraut wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them.. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old.. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! Sort-of, but not quite right. Our AC power is 60Hz, but you don't notice the effect so much with incandescent or flourescent bulbs because they don't extiguish their light nearly as fast as an LED does. The LED switces off *very* fast, so you can see the effect. The glowing filament in an incandescent fades slowly, and it masks the effect. Also, the rate is actually 120Hz. A cycle, of which there are 60 of in one second, contains a positive and a negative wave. The incandescent bulb lights up for both, so it pulses 120 times a second. The LED, if run from a full-wave rectifier, also pulses at that frequency. However, from what I've seen, LED bulbs actually are controlled with a chip that regulates power and temperature. To get the light output needed, they have to run high currents (for an LED) through the LEDs, making heat dissapation a problem. One way to counter that is to turn the LED on/off at some rate to allow it a bit of time to cool. This is likely the strobing effect that we're seeing, and it's probably not tied to line frequency (60Hz). Anyway, for the $40-50 that a 100 watt bulb currently costs, they will be slow to catch on. Once the economy of scale kicks in, this should be a viable technology, at least until something better is discovered. |
$50 for a light bulb?
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says... On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:41:59 -0400, Hairy Kraut wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! The difference is how fast the lamp responds to that change. A tungsten filament has a large amount of latency and you can select phosphors in a fluorescent to mitigate the effect but a LED is instant. If you rectified and filtered the AC you could eliminate the problem. I am curious about how long these LEDs will last since my line voltage is on the high side of nominal at 124V. They drive them pretty hard. What is really cool in that regard is when you see an LED turn signal or brake light on a car or truck next to an incandescent bulb. The latency can really be seen clearly that way. |
$50 for a light bulb?
On May 19, 2:38*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:41:59 -0400, Hairy Kraut wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! The difference is how fast the lamp responds to that change. A tungsten filament has a large amount of latency and you can select phosphors in a fluorescent to mitigate the effect but a LED is instant. If you rectified and filtered the AC you could eliminate the problem. I am curious about how long these LEDs will last since my line voltage is on the high side of nominal at 124V. They drive them pretty hard. See my post elsewhere in this thread... the LED's aren't being driven by a simple half or full wave rectifier, they are being driven by a chip that regulates their drive signal. That's why these AC bulbs are so expensive... they aren't just a string of LEDs, they also have a heat sink and drive circuitry to control them. |
$50 for a light bulb?
On 19/05/2011 1:27 PM, Jack. wrote:
On May 19, 2:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:41:59 -0400, Hairy wrote: In , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! The difference is how fast the lamp responds to that change. A tungsten filament has a large amount of latency and you can select phosphors in a fluorescent to mitigate the effect but a LED is instant. If you rectified and filtered the AC you could eliminate the problem. I am curious about how long these LEDs will last since my line voltage is on the high side of nominal at 124V. They drive them pretty hard. See my post elsewhere in this thread... the LED's aren't being driven by a simple half or full wave rectifier, they are being driven by a chip that regulates their drive signal. That's why these AC bulbs are so expensive... they aren't just a string of LEDs, they also have a heat sink and drive circuitry to control them. Huh? Not at all. A LED is a rectifier, a diode that emits light. Simple resister on the end is all they have. --resister---forward led-----forward led.....---- \-reverse led-/ \-reverse led..../ Just pairs of LEDs opposed to each other in a series and a resistor on the end, so if the phase is positive one lights, on the opposite phase the other one lights. At 60 hertz each, 120 hertz pulsed light. The most common way to build them. You could also get fancy, a 2 cent bridge rectifier, 2 cent small cap, one cent resister and again the sequence of LED (not pairs) if you want to get rid of the 60/120 hertz thing. But not usually done for a few reasons as the current drive is sustained and more burn out might occur. Either way, early 1970's basic electronic components from radio shack. But the new LEDs are brighter and white. No reason they shouldn't be cheap. And certainly no American company could make them cheap like China. In fact, many countries in SE Asia have mandated LEDs, and decommissioning of neon for commercial purposes, burns too much juice for a small island. Skipping the Al Gore make him rich mercury screw up. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
$50 for a light bulb?
On May 19, 4:22*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/05/2011 1:27 PM, Jack. wrote: On May 19, 2:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:41:59 -0400, Hairy *wrote: In , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B *wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction.. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! The difference is how fast the lamp responds to that change. A tungsten filament has a large amount of latency and you can select phosphors in a fluorescent to mitigate the effect but a LED is instant. If you rectified and filtered the AC you could eliminate the problem. I am curious about how long these LEDs will last since my line voltage is on the high side of nominal at 124V. They drive them pretty hard. See my post elsewhere in this thread... the LED's aren't being driven by a simple half or full wave rectifier, they are being driven by a chip that regulates their drive signal. *That's why these AC bulbs are so expensive... they aren't just a string of LEDs, they also have a heat sink and drive circuitry to control them. Huh? *Not at all. *A LED is a rectifier, a diode that emits light. Simple resister on the end is all they have. * * --resister---forward led-----forward led.....---- * * * * * * * *\-reverse led-/ \-reverse led..../ Just pairs of LEDs opposed to each other in a series and a resistor on the end, so if the phase is positive one lights, on the opposite phase the other one lights. *At 60 hertz each, 120 hertz pulsed light. *The most common way to build them. You could also get fancy, a 2 cent bridge rectifier, 2 cent small cap, one cent resister and again the sequence of LED (not pairs) if you want to get rid of the 60/120 hertz thing. *But not usually done for a few reasons as the current drive is sustained and more burn out might occur. Either way, early 1970's basic electronic components from radio shack. But the new LEDs are brighter and white. No reason they shouldn't be cheap. I'm quite aware of how LED's work, I'm an Electronics Engineer. You are technically correct that you *could* build an LED lamp that would run from 120v AC with a minimum of components, but it's operation, life, and effeciency would be very marginal. We're not talking about lighting up a simple single LED, these modern 100w LED lamps use active thermal management, switching power supplies, and other tricks to provide a light that people can tolerate in a home setting for their primary source of light. Take a look at: http://www.earthled.com/evolux-led-light-bulb.html This is why the bulbs are so expensive. It's not as simple as you think. |
$50 for a light bulb?
On 19/05/2011 3:14 PM, Jack. wrote:
On May 19, 4:22 pm, wrote: On 19/05/2011 1:27 PM, Jack. wrote: On May 19, 2:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:41:59 -0400, Hairy wrote: In , says... On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:07:45 -0400, wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:41:50 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. That is only true if you actually get the expected life out of them. I am still waiting. Most LEDs in light bulbs are driven at such high currents that I do not see them lasting as long as the prediction. I am not having wonderful experiences with CFLs and I went for them big time. I seem to be having early end of life at something like 10-15 % based on 20 - 30 lamps. I have had at least 5 bad ones. No I didn't call EPA when I threw them away. I did break one (not in the 5) and I cleaned it up with a big wad of wet paper towel. I threw everything in the trash I find the batches and brands of CFLs have different lifetimes. Some lots, they last only a year maybe two. But have some now 7 years old. Seems to vary quit a bit in the quality and longevity. I bought some CFL floodlight bulbs for a trio of recessed ceiling fixtures. They seem to be working out ok...low wattage, brighter than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, seemingly cooler, whiter white. I had a couple of those in my motion lights and they both died an early death. My electrical folks say it is because the ballast is above the reflector so the heat does not get radiated out of the bell. They say they are having the same trouble with "R" style CFLs in recessed cans. BTW one thing I notice with the LEDs I have is (the decora night light thing) that they "strobe" when you have motion across them. It is 60hz so you don't notice it most of the time but if you are walking past one you definitely get the 80s disco thing going on. Any light strobes at 60Hz because that's the way our A.C. current works! The difference is how fast the lamp responds to that change. A tungsten filament has a large amount of latency and you can select phosphors in a fluorescent to mitigate the effect but a LED is instant. If you rectified and filtered the AC you could eliminate the problem. I am curious about how long these LEDs will last since my line voltage is on the high side of nominal at 124V. They drive them pretty hard. See my post elsewhere in this thread... the LED's aren't being driven by a simple half or full wave rectifier, they are being driven by a chip that regulates their drive signal. That's why these AC bulbs are so expensive... they aren't just a string of LEDs, they also have a heat sink and drive circuitry to control them. Huh? Not at all. A LED is a rectifier, a diode that emits light. Simple resister on the end is all they have. --resister---forward led-----forward led.....---- \-reverse led-/ \-reverse led..../ Just pairs of LEDs opposed to each other in a series and a resistor on the end, so if the phase is positive one lights, on the opposite phase the other one lights. At 60 hertz each, 120 hertz pulsed light. The most common way to build them. You could also get fancy, a 2 cent bridge rectifier, 2 cent small cap, one cent resister and again the sequence of LED (not pairs) if you want to get rid of the 60/120 hertz thing. But not usually done for a few reasons as the current drive is sustained and more burn out might occur. Either way, early 1970's basic electronic components from radio shack. But the new LEDs are brighter and white. No reason they shouldn't be cheap. I'm quite aware of how LED's work, I'm an Electronics Engineer. You are technically correct that you *could* build an LED lamp that would run from 120v AC with a minimum of components, but it's operation, life, and effeciency would be very marginal. We're not talking about lighting up a simple single LED, these modern 100w LED lamps use active thermal management, switching power supplies, and other tricks to provide a light that people can tolerate in a home setting for their primary source of light. Take a look at: http://www.earthled.com/evolux-led-light-bulb.html This is why the bulbs are so expensive. It's not as simple as you think. EarthLED charges far too much. Costco has them here much cheaper than that. You will see the prices drop to $3 a bulb in a year or two, US inflation excluded. Say about 20 Yuan. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? |
$50 for a light bulb?
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. |
$50 for a light bulb?
"LilAbner" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2011 8:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:33 PM, LilAbner wrote: On 5/17/2011 6:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 4:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:57 pm, wrote: On 17/05/2011 2:25 PM, *e#c wrote: On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? Yep, fleabagger greenies botched that good. What is better in city dumps, mercury or tungsten? Meanwhile Chinese did the real green thing, now inexpensive LED types are coming to the market and they make the mercury ones look inefficient. Last longer too. Chinese made of course and without excessive carbon taxes. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance? And yet, the pricetag will be about $50 for one ****ing bulb. Clinton and Gore sold this country to China for a few million in late, dirty election money, lock stock and barrel... The Gore variety perhaps. But in Canada they are starting to show up in 3 packs for $16. LEDs are not cheaper than mercury yet, but getting there. But then again, I bet the Chinese don't have political, executive or union corruption that comes with the bulbs. Say what? You can pay Gore pricing if you want, I am sure he will take YOUR money. The LED's have been experimented with and still used by some RVers.. Most are unhappy with them. The light is weak and so on. It is just hard to see with them. They are like bunchs of little cheap LEZD flashlights. They hurt your eyese to look at them but the light they thow out is weak. ********************* here we have a new plant producing LED street light standards... so our provincial gov't plans to convert all the highway lighting to this system. The city (Halifax) will probably be next. http://www.ledroadwaylighting.com/le...t-project.html |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. And the beat goes on... |
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@gmail.com says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. I hope they are too, what with Harry making allegations of sexual assault on a minor and not reporting it. But, alas, I have. |
$50 for a light bulb?
"Harryk" wrote in message m... BAR wrote: In , says... On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:09:47 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: F*ck you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... Scott, with all due respect, energy efficiency is something we should all be interested in. It turns out that high efficiency bulbs, especially LEDs, are a good long term investment. Yes, they cost more, and yes, they still have a few rough edges, but over the useful life of the bulb the cost per hour is a lot lower. That should be of interest to anyone who is thrifty. Costs will drop as volume builds and the technology improves. It's already happening. Until you can find a way to prevent your guests from stealing these high dollar light bulbs from you when they visit the won't be cost effective. Imagine as your guests leave your house after a party the house is dark, you can't walk through and clean up because all of the $50 LED light bulbs have been taken as party favors. Yes, I can imagine that when *your* guests leave. Perhaps you need to make upgrades in your circle of friends. :) ************* He already did.... you can imagine what his old friends were like! |
$50 for a light bulb?
"Sour Krause" wrote in message ... In article , princecraft51 @gmail.com says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. I hope they are too, what with Harry making allegations of sexual assault on a minor and not reporting it. But, alas, I have. You've reported Scotty's behaviour?? Good for you! |
$50 for a light bulb?
In article , princecraft51
@gmail.com says... "Sour Krause" wrote in message ... In article , princecraft51 @gmail.com says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. I hope they are too, what with Harry making allegations of sexual assault on a minor and not reporting it. But, alas, I have. You've reported Scotty's behaviour?? Good for you! Oh, you stupid old ****, can't you even read? Harry has alleged sexual acts against minors and hasn't reported it. That is a felony. Stay tuned, you may be making conjugal visits to your lover Harry! |
$50 for a light bulb?
True North wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. WAFA2 has spoken! |
$50 for a light bulb?
Harryk wrote:
True North wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:59 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 17/05/2011 3:41 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On May 17, 5:28 pm, wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:12 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article056ad858-9942-4e7c-aad7- , says... On May 17, 2:09 pm, wrote: **** you Al Gore you hypocritical piece of ****... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Are you ranting about HAVING to use one of those new style, over- priced-mercury-filled power-savers? No, the new LED's that they are coming out with because the Over priced mercury filled ones, don't work... There should be a market, for hazardous waste removal, of the new mercury filled bulbs. The rules, for handling a broken bulb are something else. I am sure there will be, and friends of Al Gore and Billary will be right there with their hands out. You know it. Nothing like liberal unscrupulous greed. -- Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it should be a law.. If you shoot a fleabagger politician, it should be considered self defence... ******************* Another stupid post from a stupid poster. Hope those Connecticut police are monitoring this newsgroup for a bit. And the beat goes on... Did I tell you you are an asshole? |
$50 for a light bulb?
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