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Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, Harryk
wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, Harryk wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. |
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John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride. |
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Gene wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:29:44 -0400, wrote: John H wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride. It appears that they may have rented the boat.... the article says that they rented a "ship," but I wonder if they really meant "slip." Dunno... Anyhow, this again, makes the argument for exposure suits, if the water is THAT friggin' cold.... (mid 50's) IMHO, it also make the case that 23 foot long boats at or less than 8 foot abeam are not terribly safe for more than a couple of anglers.... BP Marina doesn't have any 23' boats for rent, as far as I know, but you can rent a slip there for a few days and if striper season just opened, you have to rent that slip well in advance. My 21' Parker had an 8 foot beam. |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo |
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On Apr 23, 10:43*am, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:29:44 -0400, Harryk wrote: John H wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne *wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride.. It appears that they may have rented the boat.... the article says that they rented a "ship," but I wonder if they really meant "slip." Dunno... Anyhow, this again, makes the argument for exposure suits, if the water is THAT friggin' cold.... (mid 50's) IMHO, it also make the case that 23 foot long boats at or less than 8 foot abeam are not terribly safe for more than a couple of anglers.... -- Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I beg to differ. My Boat is 20 feet, at a 6 foot beam. I'd trust it in anything. I dont care what anyone says, Lake Erie can be very deadly, VERY quickly being so shallow. I've been out in some very nasty rips. Center Consoles have NO side rail depth,IMO. Next time the wind is up, I'll go video tape the Lake for ya. |
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On Apr 23, 10:43*am, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:29:44 -0400, Harryk wrote: John H wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne *wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride.. It appears that they may have rented the boat.... the article says that they rented a "ship," but I wonder if they really meant "slip." Dunno... Anyhow, this again, makes the argument for exposure suits, if the water is THAT friggin' cold.... (mid 50's) IMHO, it also make the case that 23 foot long boats at or less than 8 foot abeam are not terribly safe for more than a couple of anglers.... -- Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I beg to differ. My Boat is 20 feet, at a 7 foot beam. I'd trust it in anything. I dont care what anyone says, Lake Erie can be very deadly, VERY quickly being so shallow. I've been out in some very nasty rips. Center Consoles have NO side rail depth,IMO. Next time the wind is up, I'll go video tape the Lake for ya. |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. |
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Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats don't need a lot of power to get on plane. |
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On Apr 23, 7:48*am, Harryk wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. I'm surprised nobody's died in Carlyle lake this year...yet. There's always someone who'se more knowledgable than the weather people, and feel a need to go out on a bad day and no life protection. Usually one annually. |
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On Apr 23, 6:23*pm, Harryk wrote:
Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene *wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there..... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. * The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. * My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. * We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. *It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. * ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats don't need a lot of power to get on plane.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats are not meant to get on plane at all idiot... |
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@mypacks.net says... John H wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride. The articles says the men rented a ship. |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. |
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Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. |
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says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. They are not Brockways. Brockways were used with big engines, but not designed for it, and two sideways two by sixes, don't provide directional stability... See harry, I have actually been in them, not just read about it.. -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? Please try to keep up Harry... Read up on rowing hulls and planing hulls and what each is designed for. More specifically look up Brockways, the real ones, not the ones that have been copied (with permission of the family) and heavily modified in Rhode Island. I am done with you, thought I might give a boating discussion a try with you but like in the last few moderated forums you have been kicked off of, you just can't help being a know it all, asshat... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articlegfSdnQKwxvoP2CnQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? Please try to keep up Harry... Read up on rowing hulls and planing hulls and what each is designed for. More specifically look up Brockways, the real ones, not the ones that have been copied (with permission of the family) and heavily modified in Rhode Island. I am done with you, thought I might give a boating discussion a try with you but like in the last few moderated forums you have been kicked off of, you just can't help being a know it all, asshat... Gee, I thought we were discussing rowboats. Now you want to discuss "rowing hulls." I guess a rowing shell would be hard pressed to accommodate a big outboard, eh? |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlegfSdnQKwxvoP2CnQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? Please try to keep up Harry... Read up on rowing hulls and planing hulls and what each is designed for. More specifically look up Brockways, the real ones, not the ones that have been copied (with permission of the family) and heavily modified in Rhode Island. I am done with you, thought I might give a boating discussion a try with you but like in the last few moderated forums you have been kicked off of, you just can't help being a know it all, asshat... Gee, I thought we were discussing rowboats. Now you want to discuss "rowing hulls." I guess a rowing shell would be hard pressed to accommodate a big outboard, eh? Forget it harry, I am not following you down this rabbit hole. -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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says... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlegfSdnQKwxvoP2CnQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? Please try to keep up Harry... Read up on rowing hulls and planing hulls and what each is designed for. More specifically look up Brockways, the real ones, not the ones that have been copied (with permission of the family) and heavily modified in Rhode Island. I am done with you, thought I might give a boating discussion a try with you but like in the last few moderated forums you have been kicked off of, you just can't help being a know it all, asshat... Gee, I thought we were discussing rowboats. Now you want to discuss "rowing hulls." I guess a rowing shell would be hard pressed to accommodate a big outboard, eh? Forget it harry, I am not following you down this rabbit hole. I wonder with that remark whether Harry actually IS that stupid or just acts that way to get an argument going so that he can, as usual, call names and insult like a little kid. |
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says... In article , says... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlegfSdnQKwxvoP2CnQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article3JmdnRz7kuvR3CnQnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleurydncLVjtKdpynQnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...;) Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment;) Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... Well, then, if they don't provide any directional stability, you should have modified the plans so they did. Why build a boat with a directional stability problem? Don't be such a dope.. Didn't google tell you that quite possibly I did modify the ones I built? Or not, if they were to be used as originally designed.. Either way, you don't know, so why open your fat mouth again? You were whining that your Brockway skiff had handling problems. Nope, I was talking about rowboats that are outfitted with illegally large engines, having problems. This is why most here don't bother addressing your fantasy... You'd think an "experienced" boat builder like you would have figured out how to solve that simple problem. You'd think a supposed son of a marina owner would know the difference between a rowboat and a planing hull. But then again, you made up your life experience, most here actually did the stuff you read about and claim as your own here... All the flat-bottomed rowboats my father sold, and he sold hundreds if not thousands of them, would plane with a small engine. We're taking 7-1/2 to 15 hp Evinrudes, and, for a dinghy, maybe a 3 hp. What I've learned today is that you really don't know **** about small boats. Duh, any flat bottom boat will plane with enough power, that's not the point. Of course the point you can't address is rowboats are not designed to plane. The original Brockways were not designed to plane. The plans you suggested were not Brockway's plans, I have a set of Brockway's plans, and the boat was not designed to plane, much less carry the heavy motors it would take to plane a 24 footer back then. So what we have learned today is you will say anything to be an asshat, no matter what the subject is... And of course, your whole thing about growing up at a marina was obviously bull**** too.... D'oh...we were discussing rowboats, not 24-footers. Unless you are into 24-foot rowboats. The rowboats my father sold ranged from 9 feet to 16 feet (the biggest Amsbury dory he sold), and you could row that 16-footer, but...you wouldn't want to do so. There are or were plenty of rowboats that were designed to row or with a small motor, plane. Once again, you demonstrate your stupidity, pigheadedness and ignorance. What do you do when you see a boat you built out on the river, planing? Call the police? Please try to keep up Harry... Read up on rowing hulls and planing hulls and what each is designed for. More specifically look up Brockways, the real ones, not the ones that have been copied (with permission of the family) and heavily modified in Rhode Island. I am done with you, thought I might give a boating discussion a try with you but like in the last few moderated forums you have been kicked off of, you just can't help being a know it all, asshat... Gee, I thought we were discussing rowboats. Now you want to discuss "rowing hulls." I guess a rowing shell would be hard pressed to accommodate a big outboard, eh? Forget it harry, I am not following you down this rabbit hole. I wonder with that remark whether Harry actually IS that stupid or just acts that way to get an argument going so that he can, as usual, call names and insult like a little kid. The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? Better be careful using personal info provided to you by Tim, John is gonna' tattle on you ;) -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? Better be careful using personal info provided to you by Tim, John is gonna' tattle on you ;) Say what? Tim has never given me "personal information" about anyone. Why do you keep dragging Tim into posts that have nothing to do with him? And what does Herring have to do with this? |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? Better be careful using personal info provided to you by Tim, John is gonna' tattle on you ;) Say what? Tim has never given me "personal information" about anyone. Why do you keep dragging Tim into posts that have nothing to do with him? And what does Herring have to do with this? ***************** That little snake is unbelievable. Look how quickly he turned on Tim... for no good reason. |
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True North wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? Better be careful using personal info provided to you by Tim, John is gonna' tattle on you ;) Say what? Tim has never given me "personal information" about anyone. Why do you keep dragging Tim into posts that have nothing to do with him? And what does Herring have to do with this? ***************** That little snake is unbelievable. Look how quickly he turned on Tim... for no good reason. Yup. Scotty Ingersnake. |
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In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... True North wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: The latter, it's all he has in his miserable life.. I can't imagine being pinned in the basement by that ankle bracelet... Such an imagination you and your equally dimwitted supporter share. I'm thinking of setting up a fundraiser here to help get the money you need for petrol to get your kid to the motorbike racing track. Does that work for you? Better be careful using personal info provided to you by Tim, John is gonna' tattle on you ;) Say what? Tim has never given me "personal information" about anyone. Why do you keep dragging Tim into posts that have nothing to do with him? And what does Herring have to do with this? ***************** That little snake is unbelievable. Look how quickly he turned on Tim... for no good reason. Yup. Scotty Ingersnake. You two should get a room. |
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