A BIG choice to make...
 

....today. The weather is beautiful, the lawn is mowed, the truck oil is changed,
and my wife's out of town so I can play.

What to do, what to do? I could stay here and join the fray, or...
....I could go play golf!!

YES! Golf wins.

So, you *girls* and guys that haven't done so, yet, go he

http://centralva.info-komen.org/goto/reneewinckler

Click on the 'Donate to Renee' button, and put me in the poorhouse!

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:07:08 -0400, John H wrote:

...today. The weather is beautiful, the lawn is mowed, the truck oil is changed,
and my wife's out of town so I can play.

What to do, what to do? I could stay here and join the fray, or...
...I could go play golf!!

YES! Golf wins.

So, you *girls* and guys that haven't done so, yet, go he

http://centralva.info-komen.org/goto/reneewinckler

Click on the 'Donate to Renee' button, and put me in the poorhouse!

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

A BIG choice to make...
 

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

A BIG choice to make...
 

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:55:27 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.
I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

That is just shims to get the first course straight. I am going to
grout that when everything is set and pressure clean the brick.

Brick pavers, mortared to the block wall with flex thin set.

This is my wife setting the flag stones, you can see the wall behind
her.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

We have the paver wall motif going on all over..
My shed
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

The fireplace I thought would never work (it was the smiling lady's
idea). The pavers never exploded.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/JUDYFIR2.jpg

I finished it off after a few years of fires and no explosions.

This all started when Centex replaced all the driveways in a community
and they had one yard bags of these pavers going to the dump. I ended
up with thousands of pavers, looking for a use.


You're an ambitious guy!

I thought I was off the hook for a while, what with the deck and the
replacement of a slider with a double french door and the installation
of a storm door, but...a few weeks ago, I got talked into filling the
space between our fireplace mantle and the fireplace with green-black
ubatuba granite tiles.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

Whatcha doin'?

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

Looks very nice...but the golf was probably more enjoyable.

A BIG choice to make...
 

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

Looks very nice...but the golf was probably more enjoyable.

Did you break 80?

A BIG choice to make...
 

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but he
is fighting a cold.

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article ,
says...

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but he
is fighting a cold.

I worked on setting up the pool today.. have a small model boat to put
in it when it gets warmer;)

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Apr 18, 1:34*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:07:08 -0400, John H wrote:
...today. The weather is beautiful, the lawn is mowed, the truck oil is changed,
and my wife's out of town so I can play.

What to do, what to do? I could stay here and join the fray, or...
...I could go play golf!!

YES! Golf wins.

So, you *girls* and guys that haven't done so, yet, go he

http://centralva.info-komen.org/goto/reneewinckler*

Click on the 'Donate to Renee' button, and put me in the poorhouse!

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I worked on some huge ag starters and alternators. That always helps
the bottom line.

?;^ )

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but he
is fighting a cold.

We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today. Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:09:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

Whatcha doin'?

Just finished up two refigeration systems on the trawler, replacing an
older unit that was getting creaky. Launched the dinghy yesterday
for the first time in a couple of months and found a problem with the
battery switch. Fixed that and then took a spin across the river and
back, always an adventure in a 12 ft inflatable. Weather has been in
the 80s now for weeks - time to fly north with the snow birds.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:18:05 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:09:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

Whatcha doin'?

Just finished up two refigeration systems on the trawler, replacing an
older unit that was getting creaky. Launched the dinghy yesterday
for the first time in a couple of months and found a problem with the
battery switch. Fixed that and then took a spin across the river and
back, always an adventure in a 12 ft inflatable. Weather has been in
the 80s now for weeks - time to fly north with the snow birds.

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

I think some people have a freezer in their garage.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:24 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.

It's shrinking. Sweat equity has nothing to do with it. Lots of people
in the lower socio-economic level work very hard and try and save.

Many people in the middle class take tennis lessons and play bridge.

It used to be that middle class was defined by relatively stable
economic situations, but more and more people are losing their homes
and going hungry even. You may not be "truly wealthy," but you're
certainly not in the middle. Someone who has a boat they use as a
second, vacation home and travel around, seemingly endlessly, someone
who has two fridges on their boat for God Sake, isn't really middle
class, at least not compared to the vast majority of people.

A BIG choice to make...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but
he
is fighting a cold.

We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:18:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:09:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

Whatcha doin'?

Just finished up two refigeration systems on the trawler, replacing an
older unit that was getting creaky. Launched the dinghy yesterday
for the first time in a couple of months and found a problem with the
battery switch. Fixed that and then took a spin across the river and
back, always an adventure in a 12 ft inflatable. Weather has been in
the 80s now for weeks - time to fly north with the snow birds.

Yup, it's getting to be right nice up here.

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

Looks very nice...but the golf was probably more enjoyable.

Did you break 80?

I break 80 every time I play.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!

I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but
he
is fighting a cold.

We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.

A BIG choice to make...
 

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700, wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,
wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

Hoo boy!!!! Here you go, trying to make yourself look like you know what
you're talking about, and make yourself look really stupid in the
process!

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:55:27 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.
I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

That is just shims to get the first course straight. I am going to
grout that when everything is set and pressure clean the brick.

Brick pavers, mortared to the block wall with flex thin set.

This is my wife setting the flag stones, you can see the wall behind
her.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

We have the paver wall motif going on all over..
My shed
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

The fireplace I thought would never work (it was the smiling lady's
idea). The pavers never exploded.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/JUDYFIR2.jpg

I finished it off after a few years of fires and no explosions.

This all started when Centex replaced all the driveways in a community
and they had one yard bags of these pavers going to the dump. I ended
up with thousands of pavers, looking for a use.


You're an ambitious guy!

I thought I was off the hook for a while, what with the deck and the
replacement of a slider with a double french door and the installation
of a storm door, but...a few weeks ago, I got talked into filling the
space between our fireplace mantle and the fireplace with green-black
ubatuba granite tiles.

That should take all of a couple of hours.

A BIG choice to make...
 

"BAR" wrote in message . ..

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a
great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

Looks very nice...but the golf was probably more enjoyable.

Did you break 80?

I break 80 every time I play.

Reply:
Which direction? ;)

A BIG choice to make...
 

"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made
to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in a
flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to pay
the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we or
the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.

A BIG choice to make...
 

Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be
made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in
a flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to
pay the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we
or the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.



Who recovers *you* if you fall into the water? And are you claiming that
your insurance claim is not shared with everyone else when their
premiums go up to cover your losses?

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:09:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:24 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:24 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.

It's shrinking. Sweat equity has nothing to do with it. Lots of people
in the lower socio-economic level work very hard and try and save.

Many people in the middle class take tennis lessons and play bridge.

It used to be that middle class was defined by relatively stable
economic situations, but more and more people are losing their homes
and going hungry even. You may not be "truly wealthy," but you're
certainly not in the middle. Someone who has a boat they use as a
second, vacation home and travel around, seemingly endlessly, someone
who has two fridges on their boat for God Sake, isn't really middle
class, at least not compared to the vast majority of people.

You are one of the people who told me "middle class" was $100k, or was
it $125k and above when I asked the question.

What's that got to do with Wayne pimping his huge trawler as his
second home?

You're now claiming middle class doesn't include those who make
$100K/yr?

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:27:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made
to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in a
flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to pay
the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we or
the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.

If you're caught in a river and have to be rescued, who's going to pay
the local responder? Your insurance company? Not a chance.

If someone's child is critically injured, the EMTs will be called.
They don't ask for a credit card before they treat someone, at least
not yet, but that might change if the right wing nuts get their way.

A BIG choice to make...
 

A BIG choice to make...
 

"Harryk" wrote in message
m...

Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be
made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in
a flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to
pay the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we
or the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.



Who recovers *you* if you fall into the water? And are you claiming that
your insurance claim is not shared with everyone else when their
premiums go up to cover your losses?



Reply:
Another boater would rescue me. I would be dead before the local responders
arrived. The insurance rate is calculated on losses for the type of boat.
Probably less loss on our boats per boat than the local Chesapeake boaters.
Seems as if you guys are getting insurance to pay for new motors, etc.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:56:55 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

Nonsense. Who says that the middle class can't retire comfortably?

For what it's worth, private banks and other high end investment
management firms now define "wealthy" as those with a net worth over
$5 million, and that's the lower tier. Their top tier clients
generally are over $20m. I know a few people who qualify but not too
many.

A BIG choice to make...
 

Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:56:55 -0400,
wrote:

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

Nonsense. Who says that the middle class can't retire comfortably?

For what it's worth, private banks and other high end investment
management firms now define "wealthy" as those with a net worth over
$5 million, and that's the lower tier. Their top tier clients
generally are over $20m. I know a few people who qualify but not too
many.



Now I know what you use to keep your boat afloat, w'hine. It's your
delusional bull****.

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:56:55 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

Nonsense. Who says that the middle class can't retire comfortably?

For what it's worth, private banks and other high end investment
management firms now define "wealthy" as those with a net worth over
$5 million, and that's the lower tier. Their top tier clients
generally are over $20m. I know a few people who qualify but not too
many.

I consider under 75,000 a year, lower middle class, and middle class is
from about 75,000 at a low end, and maybe 150-175,000 the upper end of
middle class. If you are making a quarter million a year, you are not
middle class...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:56:55 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

Nonsense. Who says that the middle class can't retire comfortably?

For what it's worth, private banks and other high end investment
management firms now define "wealthy" as those with a net worth over
$5 million, and that's the lower tier. Their top tier clients
generally are over $20m. I know a few people who qualify but not too
many.

I consider under 75,000 a year, lower middle class, and middle class is
from about 75,000 at a low end, and maybe 150-175,000 the upper end of
middle class. If you are making a quarter million a year, you are not
middle class...

And if you have more than say 2 1/2 - 3 million in assets, you are
probably not middle class either...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:53:30 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:37:47 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:09:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:24 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:24 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.

It's shrinking. Sweat equity has nothing to do with it. Lots of people
in the lower socio-economic level work very hard and try and save.

Many people in the middle class take tennis lessons and play bridge.

It used to be that middle class was defined by relatively stable
economic situations, but more and more people are losing their homes
and going hungry even. You may not be "truly wealthy," but you're
certainly not in the middle. Someone who has a boat they use as a
second, vacation home and travel around, seemingly endlessly, someone
who has two fridges on their boat for God Sake, isn't really middle
class, at least not compared to the vast majority of people.

You are one of the people who told me "middle class" was $100k, or was
it $125k and above when I asked the question.

What's that got to do with Wayne pimping his huge trawler as his
second home?

You're now claiming middle class doesn't include those who make
$100K/yr?

I have not even tried to define middle class but there seem to be a
lot of people here who claim to know.
They all seem to be destitute if I believe you and Bob.

Please show me where I said "all" middle class people are destitute.
You can't. I said that the middle class is shrinking and is having
problems. Sorry if the facts get in the way of your rhetoric.

A BIG choice to make...
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:34:27 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:56:55 -0400,
wrote:

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

Nonsense. Who says that the middle class can't retire comfortably?

For what it's worth, private banks and other high end investment
management firms now define "wealthy" as those with a net worth over
$5 million, and that's the lower tier. Their top tier clients
generally are over $20m. I know a few people who qualify but not too
many.



Now I know what you use to keep your boat afloat, w'hine. It's your
delusional bull****.

You don't have to take my word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_net_worth_individual

Those numbers are a bit out of date although somewhere in the
ballpark.

I worked for a well known private bank back in the early 90s. At
that time they had two tiers of "high net worth" (wealthy) clients.
Tier 1 was $1m to $10m, Tier 2 was $10m and over. That has since been
changed, now ranging from $5m to $20m at Tier 1, and Tier 2 is now
over $20m. Make some calls if you'd like. They'll be happy to talk
if you qualify. I don't, but still know people who work there. Let
me know if you need a reference.

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article ,
says...

"Harryk" wrote in message
m...

Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be
made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in
a flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to
pay the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we
or the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.



Who recovers *you* if you fall into the water? And are you claiming that
your insurance claim is not shared with everyone else when their
premiums go up to cover your losses?



Reply:
Another boater would rescue me. I would be dead before the local responders
arrived. The insurance rate is calculated on losses for the type of boat.
Probably less loss on our boats per boat than the local Chesapeake boaters.
Seems as if you guys are getting insurance to pay for new motors, etc.

Harry's never heard of actuaries!

A BIG choice to make...
 

In article ,
says...
Reply:
Another boater would rescue me. I would be dead before the local responders
arrived. The insurance rate is calculated on losses for the type of boat.
Probably less loss on our boats per boat than the local Chesapeake boaters.
Seems as if you guys are getting insurance to pay for new motors, etc.

Harry's never heard of actuaries!



It isn't in today's DNC talking points.

A BIG choice to make...
 

BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
Reply:
Another boater would rescue me. I would be dead before the local responders
arrived. The insurance rate is calculated on losses for the type of boat.
Probably less loss on our boats per boat than the local Chesapeake boaters.
Seems as if you guys are getting insurance to pay for new motors, etc.
Harry's never heard of actuaries!



It isn't in today's DNC talking points.



I thought the response was silly...boat insurance rates are calculated
on many factors, not just the losses "for the type of boat."