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Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor.
It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm -- SJM |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Scott McFadden" wrote in message om... I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm -- SJM The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
Gary Warner wrote in message ... "Scott McFadden" wrote in message om... I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm -- SJM The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? I was thinking the same thing. Having made the trip for the first time a couple of years ago (from MA to Jupiter, FL) in a 52 footer, I can well understand the potential for a mistake, particularly navigating an unfamiliar channel or inlet after dark. For those that don't do it on a regular basis, the trip is exciting and fun, but it can also be very challenging and, at times, stress-full. I wouldn't automatically assume the skipper was drinking. Eisboch |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Gary Warner" wrote in message ...
"Scott McFadden" wrote in message om... I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? Oh I guess the fact that being intoxicated leads to error, mistake, bad navigation skills and stupidity. FWIW, I have been through that inlet at least a hundred times in a little Whaler (among other boats) and never relied upon any "instruments", other than my eyes. I have never heard of anyone else using "instruments" to nav Ponce either. It is simply absurd. -- SJM |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Gary Warner" wrote
The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? "Scott McFadden" wrote in message Oh I guess the fact that being intoxicated leads to error, mistake, bad navigation skills and stupidity. That's some specious reasoning there Scott. But since drinking leads to poor reasoning I guess you must be drunk? |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
Subject: Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
From: WaIIy How many times for the *first* time at night in a 60 footer? Duh That sounds like his first mistake. Duh! Capt. Bill |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
(Scott McFadden) wrote in message . com...
"Gary Warner" wrote in message ... "Scott McFadden" wrote in message om... I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? Oh I guess the fact that being intoxicated leads to error, mistake, bad navigation skills and stupidity. FWIW, I have been through that inlet at least a hundred times in a little Whaler (among other boats) and never relied upon any "instruments", other than my eyes. I have never heard of anyone else using "instruments" to nav Ponce either. It is simply absurd. I've done the trip back and forth from NY to Florida many times. It can wear on you when your running the boat all day, trying to get someplace, and you just push yourself one inlet too far. The key to a safe trip, planning and common sense. Enter and leave inlets that you don't know in the day light only. If it's been a long day, call it quits for the day, even if your behind schedule, pull in, fuel up, get a good nights sleep, and start out fresh in the morning. And most important, have others on board that cam run the boat. Remember, it's not a race. It's easy to make a stupid mistake if your rushing, tierd, or pushing too hard. |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
How wide is the inlet he was trying to navigate? And, what's the margin of
error for GPS nowadays? "Scott McFadden" wrote in message m... I see in today's paper our now famous, front page, "captain" with "30 yrs experience" claimed he tried to nav Ponce (which he was totally unfamiliar with) at night, in a $1.4 million boat(insured) without a single fuctioning searchlight and against the advice of the marina he was trying to reach, with the assistance of his gps/chartplotter. With all my experience at Ponce that is not something I would look forward to, at all. Furthermore, he declined to call Seatow for an "guided escort" through the inlet. Sometimes "saving money" gets people into jams they never imagined were possible. -- SJM (Scott McFadden) wrote in message . com... "Gary Warner" wrote in message ... "Scott McFadden" wrote in message om... I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm The article says that Roberts said he was navigating by instruments. What makes you think is was alcohol and not an error, mistake, bad-navigation skills, or stupidity? Oh I guess the fact that being intoxicated leads to error, mistake, bad navigation skills and stupidity. FWIW, I have been through that inlet at least a hundred times in a little Whaler (among other boats) and never relied upon any "instruments", other than my eyes. I have never heard of anyone else using "instruments" to nav Ponce either. It is simply absurd. |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
It's easy to make a stupid mistake if your
rushing, tierd, or pushing too hard I have a friend who runs offshore out of Big Carlos a couple times a week but one dark night he did come in a little too far to the south and firmly parked his boat on the tip of Lover's key. S#!!T still happens. Tip: line up the 96K-Rock tower between the Lover's key resort building and the bridge lights while you are offshore and you will be in the center of the channel when you get in the pass. |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Gary Warner" wrote in message ...
But since drinking leads to poor reasoning I guess you must be drunk? More than a little. When I start ending sentences with question marks then you'll know I'm really getting hammered. Besides, what other excuse is there for someone in Fla to be posting to rec.boats and not out there doing it for real? -- SJM "I have been drunk now for over two weeks" "Passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks" J. Buffet |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
How wide is the inlet he was trying to navigate? Outbound, once I get a little ways east of the beach, I'll stay within 150' of the N jetty, paralleling it, until I clear the jetty tip. Then, I'll break immediately to the northeast. Reverse procedure for inbound. That inlet has baffled the CoE for so long it is really embarassing. They dredge and dredge, they built weirs, which they then decided to replace w/a big, long north jetty. $23mil later and still 9/10's of the south side is unusable (shoals, sandbars, rough, ect). The whole damn place gets wild as Hell w/a outgoing tide bucking a stiff onshore breeze. (However, this was not the situation the night Captain Crash's "voyage" prematurely ended) Now they're talking about a big, long south jetty. yawn I have suggested to the Corp that given their "track record", perhaps people should send in their suggestions, we'll put them all on a big dart board, blindfold some of the engineering staff and let'em throw the darts at it. The suggestion with the most "hits" is the way we go. Couldn't be any more ineffective. And, what's the margin of error for GPS nowadays? Ponce Inlet is not the place to be needing a GPS. Just ask it's most recent victim, "Captain" Roberts, formerly of the vessel "Baroness". -- SJM |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
Subject: Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
From: WaIIy On 25 Sep 2003 07:29:48 GMT, (LaBomba182) wrote: Subject: Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd. From: WaIIy How many times for the *first* time at night in a 60 footer? Duh That sounds like his first mistake. Duh! Capt. Bill You missed the point. Oh well. Hardly Wally. But if you changed hair stylist it might not be so obvious. Capt. Bill |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
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Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... ===================================== I took a 42 foot sailboat in there back in the late 1980's under those conditions. We had big 15+ breakers hissing by us on both sides and the buoys kept disappearing behind waves at critical moments. We had to practically pry the helmsman's hands off the wheel after we got inside. Had a nice dinner that night at a place called Black Beard's if my memory is correct. Blackbeards is still in business in New Smyrna Beach and still serves the best oysters in the area. -- Bill Grannis service manager "remove the first 8 letters or the last 8 letters of my email address to reach me" |
Yet another brilliant boater at Ponce Inlet nearly gets KO'd.
Well, I don't know about alcohol, but, he certainly displayed a
remarkable lack of common sense and seamanship. I have been into Ponce Inlet many times, and a night entry is not especially bothersome. But I have radar, gps, depth finder, searchlights (3) and common sense. (And a first Mate that would slap me silly if I scratched up "her" boat grin) Capt. F. Scott McFadden wrote: I don't suppose, hiccup, alcohol was factor. It was not rough at all last night. http://www.n-jcenter.com/BreakingNews/area99.htm -- SJM |
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