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Harryk wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 17, 4:55 pm, wrote: On 4/17/2011 1:07 PM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: OK, I accept that this is mostly a political group with occasional boating posts. I had an idea I'd like to run past people on all sides. One thing people dislike about Obamacare is that it compels people to purchase a product. Here is a way around the problem. Require people to contribute 10% of their income to a "pension account". We can get away with this because we already do it with SS. However, this account could be used at any time to pay for current healthcare including health insurance. Contributions would be tax free and payments for qualified healthcare taken from the growth of the accounts (which you would control) would also be tax free. This would encourage people to shop around for healthcare and to not go to the emergency room for a cold. At the end of the year, they could get back part of what htye put in if it was not taken up by health care. This would allow each person to put in money when they are young and in good health and then use the money when they are older. Poor people would get contributions from the govt to their account and they could pay for whatever healthcare they wanted. It's a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame poor people for your problems. We need to get away from private insurance companies. They're in it for the money not for the public health. We need to get away from private financial institutions. They're in it for the money, not for the public wealth. We need to get away from public officialdom. They are in it for the money, not the public good. We need to get away from public and private sector employment. They are in it for the money as well. You are such a dumb ass Odd, I talked to someone from Switzerland two weeks ago about this topic and he told me that they have private health insurance but are required to have it. He specifically said it was private. In Switzerland, private health insurance companies all offer the same basic health insurance to all comers at the same price. It doesn't matter whether you pick Company A, B, or C. If you can afford the premiums, you pay. There are different deductibles. If not, the premiums are subsidized. The insurance companies are not allow to make a profit on these plans. Young and old pay the same basic premium. No one can be refused coverage. In exchange for offering the same basic policies, the insurance companies are able to offer their customers various kinds of supplemental health insurance policies at market rates and on these they can make a profit. That's certainly better than what we have here. Interesting that the Swiss, the most capitalistic people in the world, regulate their health insurance industry so closely. Oh...the Swiss live longer than we do, too. The system we have...stinks. Our private health insurance industry runs like a variation of the Pentagon, it is full of corruption and waste, and it seems to exist mostly to protect its own. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:33:55 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Apr 17, 4:55*pm, HenryK wrote: On 4/17/2011 1:07 PM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: OK, I accept that this is mostly a political group with occasional boating posts. I had an idea I'd like to run past people on all sides. One thing people dislike about Obamacare is that it compels people to purchase a product. *Here is a way around the problem. Require people to contribute 10% of their income to a "pension account". *We can get away with this because we already do it with SS. *However, this account could be used at any time to pay for current healthcare including health insurance. *Contributions would be tax free and payments for qualified healthcare taken from the growth of the accounts (which you would control) would also be tax free. This would encourage people to shop around for healthcare and to not go to the emergency room for a cold. *At the end of the year, they could get back part of what htye put in if it was not taken up by health care. *This would allow each person to put in money when they are young and in good health and then use the money when they are older. Poor people would get contributions from the govt to their account and they could pay for whatever healthcare they wanted. It's a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame poor people for your problems. We need to get away from private insurance companies. They're in it for the money not for the public health. We need to get away from private financial institutions. They're in it * for the money, not for the public wealth. We need to get away from public officialdom. They are in it for the money, not the public good. We need to get away from public and private sector employment. They are in it for the money as well. You are such a dumb ass Odd, I talked to someone from Switzerland two weeks ago about this topic and he told me that they have private health insurance but are required to have it. He specifically said it was private. It's heavily regulated, they have a longer life expectancy and better outcomes. If a one-payer system in this country causes an apoplectic reaction among those of the extreme right, then I'd be happy with a heavily regulated private system. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:13:45 -0400, Harryk
wrote: You're such an apologist for the big business private sector, Wayne. And what has that sector done for us the last 25 years or so? It's helped destroy the middle class and make the wealthy class wealthier. That's more liberal/socialist hog wash. It is true that I support the free enterprise system. It has served the country well since its inception and has served most of us well. Free enterprise is still arguably better than any of the alternatives. And who says the middle class has been destroyed? That's more hog wash. I'm middle class as are most of my friends and neighbors. The value of our homes has gone down but everyone except the highly leveraged are doing just fine. In my opinion most of the highly leveraged got greedy and ignored the facts. |
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Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:13:45 -0400, wrote: You're such an apologist for the big business private sector, Wayne. And what has that sector done for us the last 25 years or so? It's helped destroy the middle class and make the wealthy class wealthier. That's more liberal/socialist hog wash. It is true that I support the free enterprise system. It has served the country well since its inception and has served most of us well. Free enterprise is still arguably better than any of the alternatives. And who says the middle class has been destroyed? That's more hog wash. I'm middle class as are most of my friends and neighbors. The value of our homes has gone down but everyone except the highly leveraged are doing just fine. In my opinion most of the highly leveraged got greedy and ignored the facts. The social contract that emerged out of the Great Depression and built the middle class is pretty much dead, and your party wants to bury it in its casket. The modern conservative interpretation of the free enterprise system no longer serves the middle class or those trying to get into the middle class. I do love your claim about being "middle class," though. It's quite a chuckle. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:17:31 -0400, Harryk
wrote: I do love your claim about being "middle class," though. It's quite a chuckle. Please explain the humor. We're about as middle class as you can get. |
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On Apr 16, 10:56*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
OK, I accept that this is mostly a political group with occasional boating posts. I had an idea I'd like to run past people on all sides. One thing people dislike about Obamacare is that it compels people to purchase a product. *Here is a way around the problem. Require people to contribute 10% of their income to a "pension account". *We can get away with this because we already do it with SS. *However, this account could be used at any time to pay for current healthcare including health insurance. *Contributions would be tax free and payments for qualified healthcare taken from the growth of the accounts (which you would control) would also be tax free. This would encourage people to shop around for healthcare and to not go to the emergency room for a cold. *At the end of the year, they could get back part of what htye put in if it was not taken up by health care. *This would allow each person to put in money when they are young and in good health and then use the money when they are older. Poor people would get contributions from the govt to their account and they could pay for whatever healthcare they wanted. LOL...just like the You Tube video where I suggested that Unemployment Contributions go into a personal escrow, to be drawn on later. An escrow that only the CONTRIBUTOR can draw from. Everyone thought I was nuts, when I thought the plan was great. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:54:43 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:13:45 -0400, Harryk wrote: You're such an apologist for the big business private sector, Wayne. And what has that sector done for us the last 25 years or so? It's helped destroy the middle class and make the wealthy class wealthier. That's more liberal/socialist hog wash. It is true that I support the free enterprise system. It has served the country well since its inception and has served most of us well. Free enterprise is still arguably better than any of the alternatives. I wonder how far your "support" for free enterprise goes. Apparently, it goes further than your support for those less fortunately, since they surely have not and will not benefit from the destructive nature of the private insurance companies and other huge corporations motivated by nothing more than self-interest and profit. And who says the middle class has been destroyed? That's more hog wash. I'm middle class as are most of my friends and neighbors. The value of our homes has gone down but everyone except the highly leveraged are doing just fine. In my opinion most of the highly leveraged got greedy and ignored the facts. In your opinion... you've got yours and to hell with everyone else, apparently. I guess you haven't been watching or don't care about the news of the millions of people who've been financially destroyed. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:35:29 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:17:31 -0400, Harryk wrote: I do love your claim about being "middle class," though. It's quite a chuckle. Please explain the humor. We're about as middle class as you can get. Really? How big is that trawler of yours? You're on perpetual vacation aren't you? If that's middle class, I'm sure a lot of people would love to sign up. |
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