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Obama endorses slavery
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:21:22 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:20:41 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:06:10 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:27:33 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:31:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:25:45 -0400, wrote: wrote: The projections SSA gave were based on people waiting until full retirement age (66 right now) and I do not know ONE person who waited. I am the only person I know who didn't take SS on their 62d birthday. I waited until I was 64. I'm just past "full retirement age," and i haven't put in for Social Security or Medicare. I'm still working pretty close to full-time, and even though I am just one person, I feel like my not taking money out contributes, even if just a little bit, to a Social Security/Medicare solution. Besides, the health care coverage I buy from my local union is better than Medicare. There's only a small annual deductible, no donut hole for drugs, and a $10 copay and, best of all, no hassles from providers. Whatever works for you. Most people do not really have a choice on Medicare. Their insurance will stop at age 65. Therefore, according to the Right Wing NUTS, eliminate it! That makes sense. Easy enough to fix medicare. First, remove the cap on contributions. Raise the rate on contributions if you are wealthy. Do more and more stringent RAC audits. Set up better guidelines for treatment. Do more criminal prosecutions for provider fraud. Require tough negotiations with pharmaceutical companies. It is not quite that simple. Medicare has grown twice as fast as the GDP since FY2000. I keep hearing that restoring the Clinton tax rates would bring us back to the 2000 prosperity but that ignores the fact that GDP increased 50% since then and spending more than doubled. The entitlements are only getting worse. Ryan may not be presenting a reasonable plan but, at least, he is opening the debate. It's not a question of him presenting a "reasonable" plan. If his aim was to present something worthy of discussion, to "open" the debate, perhaps he should have presented a reasonable plan. Also, nobody is claiming that restoring the Clinton-era tax rates would bring us back to 2000 prosperity. What is being claimed is that tax breaks for the upper class did NOTHING to help the economy. Those tax rates would certainly help. A good place to start is to reinstate the 3 or 4% the upper category. That is not what the prominent democrats are saying on the sunday talking head shows. There are a lot of people who should know better, saying all we need to do is to raise taxes on the $250k and above people to make us whole. That is total bull****. If we removed all of the Bush tax cuts on everyone, it would only be a third of the problem. You really believe that they're saying "all we need to do"?? Please cite something. If we removed all of the tax cuts on those who make more than $250K, that would go a long way toward solving the problem. Or, we could just throw people out on the street. |
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Obama endorses slavery
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:22:19 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:21:22 -0400, wrote: That is not what the prominent democrats are saying on the sunday talking head shows. There are a lot of people who should know better, saying all we need to do is to raise taxes on the $250k and above people to make us whole. That is total bull****. If we removed all of the Bush tax cuts on everyone, it would only be a third of the problem. You really believe that they're saying "all we need to do"?? Please cite something. I suppose you don't watch the Sunday talk shows. I suppose I could google something up for you but I get criticized for that too. If we removed all of the tax cuts on those who make more than $250K, that would go a long way toward solving the problem. Or, we could just throw people out on the street. That is $70 billion a year. The deficit is $1.5 billion. Do the math. REPLY: Under that scenario, we would be OK. Unfortunately the typo is off by a factor of 1000 on the deficit. |
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Obama endorses slavery
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:33:57 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:22:19 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:21:22 -0400, wrote: That is not what the prominent democrats are saying on the sunday talking head shows. There are a lot of people who should know better, saying all we need to do is to raise taxes on the $250k and above people to make us whole. That is total bull****. If we removed all of the Bush tax cuts on everyone, it would only be a third of the problem. You really believe that they're saying "all we need to do"?? Please cite something. I suppose you don't watch the Sunday talk shows. I suppose I could google something up for you but I get criticized for that too. Sorry no. I suppose there must be someone who once said that's "all we need to do." But, reality is a bit more complicated. If we removed all of the tax cuts on those who make more than $250K, that would go a long way toward solving the problem. Or, we could just throw people out on the street. That is $70 billion a year. The deficit is $1.5 billion. Do the math. I think you mean $1.5 trillion? $70B is a good start. Do you suppose that's all that can be done? How about the $1T or so we spend on the military? Perhaps we can cut that down a bit.. couple of 100 billion perhaps? |
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