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Obama endorses slavery
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:41:11 -0400, L wrote: wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:22:13 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:38:16 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:41:51 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:36:48 -0400, wrote: Are you saying that military budget is a waste? Most of it. We spend more than the whole rest of the planet put together. I think the Chinese would like to see us cut it by about 90%. Keeping China, the Russians and any real "state" at bay is pretty cheap. A few "boomers" can provide a credible deterrent to a nuclear attack. We spend most of our money building things we will never use like the F22 and having counter insurgent wars with guys in sandals. DoD is a big jobs program, enriching the districts of powerful congressmen and building products that they do not need to have a market to sell. We build them, we maintain them for 20-30 years and we throw them away, virtually unused. Eisenhower tried to warn us ... but we ignored him. That's pretty much it. We need to find ways to convert those defense factories into plowshare factories. It doesn't matter what those factories make, so long as they provide good jobs and the products are needed and useful. The problem is figuring a way you could make those products and sell them at a profit. When it is DoD, cost is no object. That is why the toilet seat on a P-3 Orion costs $800. Can you show proof that is still true? Which part? That the military builds things they don't need to placate congressmen's districts? See the C-17 program. That the military builds things they don't need to create a market for? That is obvious. I agree we haven't bought a toilet seat for a P-3 recently because they have all the P-3s they need but I bet we are spending a ridiculous price for a widget on the F-22. We have taken a reasonable goal, providing a credible defense for the country and let it run amok. When is the last time you saw the bid results on a government contract? |
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Obama endorses slavery
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:27:40 -0400, L wrote: wrote: Can you show proof that is still true? Which part? That the military builds things they don't need to placate congressmen's districts? See the C-17 program. That the military builds things they don't need to create a market for? That is obvious. I agree we haven't bought a toilet seat for a P-3 recently because they have all the P-3s they need but I bet we are spending a ridiculous price for a widget on the F-22. We have taken a reasonable goal, providing a credible defense for the country and let it run amok. When is the last time you saw the bid results on a government contract? The bid or the final price after all the cost overruns? Show me where they allow that. The $2000 toilet seat is ancient history. |
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