On Apr 8, 10:18*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 8:56 PM, wrote:



On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:01:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:18:33 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:41:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
*wrote:

Apparently, it is up to the Prez to determine which govt personnel are
"essential" to get paid and Clinton paid the military during the '95
shutdown. *Obama has decided military are "nonessential" yet they are
required to work for possible pay later. *Basically, Obama has decided
to make them work as slaves without compensation. *DOES THIS SURPRISE
ANYBODY? *Statists, regardless of what they claim, all believe in
slavery to the state. *For Obama, "L'etat et Moi"

No government employees have lost a dime in these shutdowns. If they
get a check, the check might be late but if it is a bank transfer it
will probably be right on time. They have always been given their back
pay, even though most stay home.

Think about that while you are locked out of the Smithsonian ... you
are still paying these people, to stay home.

Do you have any idea of the consequences of a gov't shutdown during a
recession like this???

no government-backed mortgages - 95% of the loans
no government student loans
delayed payment for the troops - so their families suffer, but the
troops still have to fight
delayed tax refunds - a week before tax day, you still have to pay
though if you owe money
no federal grants for roads, schools, or pretty much anything else
no new medical research at the National Institutes of Health
800,000 people who are furloughed - don't receive a dime until the
shutdown ends, so they can't spend money

Sure, they get paid eventually. Big deal. What happens if the shutdown
lasts more than a week or two? The economy takes a dive big time. And,
of course, this is the best time for that.

Oh, one thing you can do during the shutdown (besides pay your taxes
of course), you can go broke.

Now who is the paranoid?

These things are called "Close the Washington Monument" in DC. Not
much serious ever happens and if people get their pay EFT'ed it will
probably be right there.
Any agency that has their funding in order already will not be
affected anyway. I would be very surprised if DoD is not funded.
Didn't we just have a big deal about the defense appropriations bill?
(DADT etc) If that was done, they get paid.

During the Clinton shutdown, the USDA and DoD didn't get a day off
because they had their appropriations in place *... and so it goes.

This is kubuki theater, don't freak out over it.

BTW I would believe a piece in the Washington Post news room (not a
column) about this but most news outlets do not have a clue how
government funding works.

Since the right-wing nuts seem to be in control of the Republican lead
House, it's not farfetched to imagine that they will refuse to
compromise.

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

Lets put it this way. *Your toast.

During the "95 shutdown, they "closed" national parks etc and national
forests. So, I was driving up the Fl east coast and stopped and
walked into Canaveral National Seashore and took a pic of the waves
coming in and then on my way home took some pics of the trees in the
NAtional Forest and sent them to a liberal friend. He was puzzled at
their meaning until I pointed out the dates I had penned onto them.
In spite of the arrogance of govt workers thinking the sun rises and
sets on their essentialness, the waves kept coming in and the trees
kept growing even without govt management.

I assure you, the sun will continue to rise, the grass will still
grow, the waves will come in and the wind will still blow with the
govt shut down. The awful wailing you will hear will be the liberals
proclaiming the end of the world as they know it.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:13:21 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 8, 10:18*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 8:56 PM, wrote:



On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:01:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:18:33 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:41:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
*wrote:

Apparently, it is up to the Prez to determine which govt personnel are
"essential" to get paid and Clinton paid the military during the '95
shutdown. *Obama has decided military are "nonessential" yet they are
required to work for possible pay later. *Basically, Obama has decided
to make them work as slaves without compensation. *DOES THIS SURPRISE
ANYBODY? *Statists, regardless of what they claim, all believe in
slavery to the state. *For Obama, "L'etat et Moi"

No government employees have lost a dime in these shutdowns. If they
get a check, the check might be late but if it is a bank transfer it
will probably be right on time. They have always been given their back
pay, even though most stay home.

Think about that while you are locked out of the Smithsonian ... you
are still paying these people, to stay home.

Do you have any idea of the consequences of a gov't shutdown during a
recession like this???

no government-backed mortgages - 95% of the loans
no government student loans
delayed payment for the troops - so their families suffer, but the
troops still have to fight
delayed tax refunds - a week before tax day, you still have to pay
though if you owe money
no federal grants for roads, schools, or pretty much anything else
no new medical research at the National Institutes of Health
800,000 people who are furloughed - don't receive a dime until the
shutdown ends, so they can't spend money

Sure, they get paid eventually. Big deal. What happens if the shutdown
lasts more than a week or two? The economy takes a dive big time. And,
of course, this is the best time for that.

Oh, one thing you can do during the shutdown (besides pay your taxes
of course), you can go broke.

Now who is the paranoid?

These things are called "Close the Washington Monument" in DC. Not
much serious ever happens and if people get their pay EFT'ed it will
probably be right there.
Any agency that has their funding in order already will not be
affected anyway. I would be very surprised if DoD is not funded.
Didn't we just have a big deal about the defense appropriations bill?
(DADT etc) If that was done, they get paid.

During the Clinton shutdown, the USDA and DoD didn't get a day off
because they had their appropriations in place *... and so it goes.

This is kubuki theater, don't freak out over it.

BTW I would believe a piece in the Washington Post news room (not a
column) about this but most news outlets do not have a clue how
government funding works.

Since the right-wing nuts seem to be in control of the Republican lead
House, it's not farfetched to imagine that they will refuse to
compromise.

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

Lets put it this way. *Your toast.

During the "95 shutdown, they "closed" national parks etc and national
forests. So, I was driving up the Fl east coast and stopped and
walked into Canaveral National Seashore and took a pic of the waves
coming in and then on my way home took some pics of the trees in the
NAtional Forest and sent them to a liberal friend. He was puzzled at
their meaning until I pointed out the dates I had penned onto them.
In spite of the arrogance of govt workers thinking the sun rises and
sets on their essentialness, the waves kept coming in and the trees
kept growing even without govt management.

I assure you, the sun will continue to rise, the grass will still
grow, the waves will come in and the wind will still blow with the
govt shut down. The awful wailing you will hear will be the liberals
proclaiming the end of the world as they know it.

And, you'll continue to be an idiot.

On 08/04/2011 9:13 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:18 am, wrote:
On 07/04/2011 8:56 PM, wrote:



On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:01:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:18:33 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:41:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Apparently, it is up to the Prez to determine which govt personnel are
"essential" to get paid and Clinton paid the military during the '95
shutdown. Obama has decided military are "nonessential" yet they are
required to work for possible pay later. Basically, Obama has decided
to make them work as slaves without compensation. DOES THIS SURPRISE
ANYBODY? Statists, regardless of what they claim, all believe in
slavery to the state. For Obama, "L'etat et Moi"

No government employees have lost a dime in these shutdowns. If they
get a check, the check might be late but if it is a bank transfer it
will probably be right on time. They have always been given their back
pay, even though most stay home.

Think about that while you are locked out of the Smithsonian ... you
are still paying these people, to stay home.

Do you have any idea of the consequences of a gov't shutdown during a
recession like this???

no government-backed mortgages - 95% of the loans
no government student loans
delayed payment for the troops - so their families suffer, but the
troops still have to fight
delayed tax refunds - a week before tax day, you still have to pay
though if you owe money
no federal grants for roads, schools, or pretty much anything else
no new medical research at the National Institutes of Health
800,000 people who are furloughed - don't receive a dime until the
shutdown ends, so they can't spend money

Sure, they get paid eventually. Big deal. What happens if the shutdown
lasts more than a week or two? The economy takes a dive big time. And,
of course, this is the best time for that.

Oh, one thing you can do during the shutdown (besides pay your taxes
of course), you can go broke.

Now who is the paranoid?

These things are called "Close the Washington Monument" in DC. Not
much serious ever happens and if people get their pay EFT'ed it will
probably be right there.
Any agency that has their funding in order already will not be
affected anyway. I would be very surprised if DoD is not funded.
Didn't we just have a big deal about the defense appropriations bill?
(DADT etc) If that was done, they get paid.

During the Clinton shutdown, the USDA and DoD didn't get a day off
because they had their appropriations in place ... and so it goes.

This is kubuki theater, don't freak out over it.

BTW I would believe a piece in the Washington Post news room (not a
column) about this but most news outlets do not have a clue how
government funding works.

Since the right-wing nuts seem to be in control of the Republican lead
House, it's not farfetched to imagine that they will refuse to
compromise.

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

Lets put it this way. Your toast.

During the "95 shutdown, they "closed" national parks etc and national
forests. So, I was driving up the Fl east coast and stopped and
walked into Canaveral National Seashore and took a pic of the waves
coming in and then on my way home took some pics of the trees in the
NAtional Forest and sent them to a liberal friend. He was puzzled at
their meaning until I pointed out the dates I had penned onto them.
In spite of the arrogance of govt workers thinking the sun rises and
sets on their essentialness, the waves kept coming in and the trees
kept growing even without govt management.

I assure you, the sun will continue to rise, the grass will still
grow, the waves will come in and the wind will still blow with the
govt shut down. The awful wailing you will hear will be the liberals
proclaiming the end of the world as they know it.

Talking to the choir on this one. Time to shut'er down but good. The
sun will rise and the economy will really improve if government is out
of the way.

Government does not have a solution, they are the problem.

But I hope they hold Obama tight on this and are looking for a big
reduction in deficit, something north of a trillion. Doing the balance
for next year. 2011 being a near balanced budget and 2012 being a
balanced budget year. Would put confidence into the investment community.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:18:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:01:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:18:33 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:41:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Apparently, it is up to the Prez to determine which govt personnel are
"essential" to get paid and Clinton paid the military during the '95
shutdown. Obama has decided military are "nonessential" yet they are
required to work for possible pay later. Basically, Obama has decided
to make them work as slaves without compensation. DOES THIS SURPRISE
ANYBODY? Statists, regardless of what they claim, all believe in
slavery to the state. For Obama, "L'etat et Moi"


No government employees have lost a dime in these shutdowns. If they
get a check, the check might be late but if it is a bank transfer it
will probably be right on time. They have always been given their back
pay, even though most stay home.

Think about that while you are locked out of the Smithsonian ... you
are still paying these people, to stay home.

Do you have any idea of the consequences of a gov't shutdown during a
recession like this???

no government-backed mortgages - 95% of the loans
no government student loans
delayed payment for the troops - so their families suffer, but the
troops still have to fight
delayed tax refunds - a week before tax day, you still have to pay
though if you owe money
no federal grants for roads, schools, or pretty much anything else
no new medical research at the National Institutes of Health
800,000 people who are furloughed - don't receive a dime until the
shutdown ends, so they can't spend money

Sure, they get paid eventually. Big deal. What happens if the shutdown
lasts more than a week or two? The economy takes a dive big time. And,
of course, this is the best time for that.

Oh, one thing you can do during the shutdown (besides pay your taxes
of course), you can go broke.


Now who is the paranoid?

These things are called "Close the Washington Monument" in DC. Not
much serious ever happens and if people get their pay EFT'ed it will
probably be right there.
Any agency that has their funding in order already will not be
affected anyway. I would be very surprised if DoD is not funded.
Didn't we just have a big deal about the defense appropriations bill?
(DADT etc) If that was done, they get paid.


During the Clinton shutdown, the USDA and DoD didn't get a day off
because they had their appropriations in place ... and so it goes.

This is kubuki theater, don't freak out over it.

BTW I would believe a piece in the Washington Post news room (not a
column) about this but most news outlets do not have a clue how
government funding works.

Since the right-wing nuts seem to be in control of the Republican lead
House, it's not farfetched to imagine that they will refuse to
compromise.

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

Lets put it this way. Your toast.

Even toast is smarter than an idiot like yourself.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:05:50 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:56:54 -0700, wrote:

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

The things I am worried about are happening right now. Social Security
and Medicare are in deficit today.
The job flight from the country is happening right now.
The fact that we are spending 166% of our revenue is a problem today.

I agree the congress is not addressing any of these problems
seriously, using this crisis to advance ideological agendas but I also
do not take the theater that seriously.


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

Yet, you're just fine with making that situation worse, not paying
people for weeks if not months on end. How many people will default on
their houses? How many won't be able to pay their insurance or feed
their kids, pay for college, etc., etc.

You're just fine with all that, but zonkers paranoid about something
that may or may not happen in 30 years.

The theater is deadly serious for some people. You don't care about
them, apparently.

On 4/9/2011 3:05 AM, wrote:


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

Priceless!

On 09/04/2011 4:59 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/9/2011 3:05 AM, wrote:


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

Priceless!

Ya, priceless stupidity. Temporary....just proves my theory that debt
addiction is real. Comes with denial too.

OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/9/2011 3:05 AM, wrote:


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

Priceless!
That dumb bitch posted that? Amazing!

On 09/04/2011 1:05 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:05:50 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:56:54 -0700, wrote:

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

The things I am worried about are happening right now. Social Security
and Medicare are in deficit today.
The job flight from the country is happening right now.
The fact that we are spending 166% of our revenue is a problem today.

I agree the congress is not addressing any of these problems
seriously, using this crisis to advance ideological agendas but I also
do not take the theater that seriously.


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

Yet, you're just fine with making that situation worse, not paying
people for weeks if not months on end. How many people will default on
their houses? How many won't be able to pay their insurance or feed
their kids, pay for college, etc., etc.

You're just fine with all that, but zonkers paranoid about something
that may or may not happen in 30 years.

The theater is deadly serious for some people. You don't care about
them, apparently.

Debt is an addiction. Your like a heroin addict that thinks fixing it
is shooting up. Only a mater of time before it fails and lights out.

If you cut now, the remainder might be possible. If you keep the
gangrene, well, eventually the whole host dies.

On 09/04/2011 9:30 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:05:04 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:05:50 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:56:54 -0700, wrote:

You've got plenty of paranoia about something that might or might not
happen in 30 years, but something that's in your face is no big deal.

The things I am worried about are happening right now. Social Security
and Medicare are in deficit today.
The job flight from the country is happening right now.
The fact that we are spending 166% of our revenue is a problem today.

I agree the congress is not addressing any of these problems
seriously, using this crisis to advance ideological agendas but I also
do not take the theater that seriously.


And their "deficit" is temporary. For example, the primary reason for
the SS deficit is low unemployment, and that will change in the next
year or so, then it's solvent for another 30 years.

You have not been paying attention have you. The projection was always
that SS would be upside down in 2017, then 16 then 15 and the later
projections were 2012-13.
Then the recession made that 2010 they HOPED they might get a year or
two of surplus but the Obama payroll tax cut torpedoed that. It will
never see a surplus again. Medicare has been upside down for quite a
while with no end in sight.


Yet, you're just fine with making that situation worse, not paying
people for weeks if not months on end. How many people will default on
their houses? How many won't be able to pay their insurance or feed
their kids, pay for college, etc., etc.

That has never happened. If these people are living so close to the
edge that they will fail of their pay check is held up a few days, it
is not a question of if they will fail, only when. What are these
military guys going to do when the war is over and the Army gives then
an "early out" like happened after Vietnam?

You and Harry keep saying the DoD budget is too high but the DoD is a
jobs program. Virtually any cut in the budget will cost someone a job.


You're just fine with all that, but zonkers paranoid about something
that may or may not happen in 30 years.

The theater is deadly serious for some people. You don't care about
them, apparently.

Since nobody in the government has ever lost a dime's pay in any of
the shut downs, no I don't really care. Some come to work, if they
really do anything important for a living, some stay home but they all
get paid.,

Which is why it isn't working. Congress needs to just issue a 3 month
temporary no-pay layoff.