On 08/04/2011 8:47 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an ounce
of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all. You being
on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil and
precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me a
F350 loaded after taxes.


Yawn. Any idiot can buy currency, oil and precious metal paper. If
you're buying paper, though, you're subject to the vagaries of
governments and manipulators all of the world, any number of which might
play with your paper assets. Real goldbugs have real gold.


Why would you want an F350? To haul around the bull**** you sling here?

I do both. I have a bunch of gold in my safety deposit box and a spread
of mines. Oil, I just own shares in oilfield properties and producing
companies. Pretty hard to store a barrel of oil.

Unlike liberal lefties, I could see this coming. WTI is $111/barrel
heading up, Dates Brent is almost $125....

Currency has no value, hell, your government will not even pay people to
have it or lend it to them (interest). The crap paper isn't worth
anything. Bet my gold still buys the same amount of fuel as it did 10
years ago.

Leftie fleabaggers debased the currency with too much fraud debt by the
government. Bet all you fleabaggers thought that all that government
debt was going to be "free" money....ahahahaha...you dirt bags will
never learn.

On 07/04/2011 7:15 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:31:09 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. If you calculate in value your imploding.

gee. ket's compare applies to apples, shall we? year over year GDP is
increasing. thanks to obama. he's doing a nice job of cleaning up the
white guy's mess


Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

well unfortunately for you right wingers commodities are increasing
across the world due to the fact the chinese are now doing quite well,
courtesy of the american right wing destroying our economy and sending
all our manufacturing there.


If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

meaningless. if you price it against a DEPRECIATING commodity then our
economy is exploding.

your calculation is meaningless


unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,

courtesy of the american right which has worked very hard to ensure
the middle class continues to pay for the rich

record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

well no. record number working compared to 2 years ago



to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

yep that's true. the american right has ensured th eincome and wealth
of the richest 1% was protected while the middle class paid for it

Lefties and fleabaggers made it quite clear about the rules.

Ever dog for themselves.

Now you don't like the rules? Hahhahaha....

On Apr 8, 11:04*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 7:15 PM, bob wrote:



On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:31:09 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. *If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. *If you calculate in value your imploding.

gee. ket's compare applies to apples, shall we? year over year GDP is
increasing. thanks to obama. he's doing a nice job of cleaning up the
white guy's mess

Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. *So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

well unfortunately for you right wingers commodities are increasing
across the world due to the fact the chinese are now doing quite well,
courtesy of the american right wing destroying our economy and sending
all our manufacturing there.

If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. *That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

meaningless. if you price it against a DEPRECIATING commodity then our
economy is exploding.

your calculation is meaningless

unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,

courtesy of the american right which has worked very hard to ensure
the middle class continues to pay for the rich

record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

well no. record number working compared to 2 years ago

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. *But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

yep that's true. the american right has ensured th eincome and wealth
of the richest 1% was protected while the middle class paid for it

Lefties and fleabaggers made it quite clear about the rules.

Ever dog for themselves.

Now you don't like the rules? *Hahhahaha....

Only prob is that the increasing price of gold does not represent any
new "wealth", it only represents the demise of the dollar. Libs have
made investment to produce new wealth nearly impossible so people are
storing existing wealth as Gold.

On 07/04/2011 7:16 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

no one knows who 'most' people are. typical right wing drivel

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the bank.

trick is not to become rich. the rich prevent that. social mobility in
america is the worst in the western world

so much for the right wing

While it is true money does not bring happiness, not having it is a load
of misery. So why be miserable?

If you look, social mobility in America went down as unions went up and
the cause is social. Made it far too easy to be lazy. Apathy sets in
and then you have a squatter class of people.

People still come to the USA as it is still, even with its government
currency fraud issues a good place to cut the mustard and move up. I
must admit when I went to the US in the 90's I felt daunted, got there
and found it soft and chewy on the inside.

Heck, I was born on the poor side of the tracks and was hungry and smart
enough I wasn't going to wait for "government" to fix it. Did I make
the right choice. Old friends, still poor and still working.
Depressing actually, as we underestimate the cost of apathy and
entitlement attitudes.

I didn't make it ultra rich, not even super rich...but made it far
enough I do not need to work for a wage. And I am young enough I can
enjoy it.

On 07/04/2011 7:16 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

no one knows who 'most' people are. typical right wing drivel

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the bank.

trick is not to become rich. the rich prevent that. social mobility in
america is the worst in the western world

so much for the right wing

While it is true money does not bring happiness, not having it is a load
of misery. So why be miserable?

If you look, social mobility in America went down as unions went up and
the cause is social. Made it far too easy to be lazy. Apathy sets in
and then you have a squatter class of people.

People still come to the USA as it is still, even with its government
currency fraud issues a good place to cut the mustard and move up. I
must admit when I went to the US in the 90's I felt daunted, got there
and found it soft and chewy on the inside.

Heck, I was born on the poor side of the tracks and was hungry and smart
enough I wasn't going to wait for "government" to fix it. Did I make
the right choice. Old friends, still poor and still working.
Depressing actually, as we underestimate the cost of apathy and
entitlement attitudes.

I didn't make it ultra rich, not even super rich...but made it far
enough I do not need to work for a wage. And I am young enough I can
enjoy it.

On 08/04/2011 9:16 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:04 am, wrote:
On 07/04/2011 7:15 PM, bob wrote:



On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:31:09 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. If you calculate in value your imploding.

gee. ket's compare applies to apples, shall we? year over year GDP is
increasing. thanks to obama. he's doing a nice job of cleaning up the
white guy's mess

Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

well unfortunately for you right wingers commodities are increasing
across the world due to the fact the chinese are now doing quite well,
courtesy of the american right wing destroying our economy and sending
all our manufacturing there.

If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

meaningless. if you price it against a DEPRECIATING commodity then our
economy is exploding.

your calculation is meaningless

unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,

courtesy of the american right which has worked very hard to ensure
the middle class continues to pay for the rich

record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

well no. record number working compared to 2 years ago

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

yep that's true. the american right has ensured th eincome and wealth
of the richest 1% was protected while the middle class paid for it

Lefties and fleabaggers made it quite clear about the rules.

Ever dog for themselves.

Now you don't like the rules? Hahhahaha....

Only prob is that the increasing price of gold does not represent any
new "wealth", it only represents the demise of the dollar. Libs have
made investment to produce new wealth nearly impossible so people are
storing existing wealth as Gold.

True when measured in depreciating dollars. But measured as gold, gold
is gold and is gold. It will take similar efforts to obtain gold this
year as it did in Roman times. In Roman times an ounce bought an
upscale business toga and sandals. Today it buys a upscale suit, shirt,
shoes....it has maintained value through fiat currencies, war,
governments that have come and gone.

Gold is a defensive play, I do not argue this. But why invest in a
depreciating value business for a crappy 3% return when inflation is
liable to be well north of 10%? You are loosing value big time.
Inflation means even if you buy a lagard stock that does not loose money
in dollars but does not pace inflation, paying a super small dividend --
you loose value. So why invest say in a manufacturing business with
union, tax and utility costs all against them?

But that is gold, but I am more into oil than gold. Oil I see the
appreciation and the protection. Society, modern society is addicted to
oil. And while pie in the sky options exist none are practical in the
big picture. Oil is sort of like real-estate in the 70's.

Oil can also pass on any costs, governments get greedy, well user pays.
Problem with real estate as many people are finding is ok, the home is
cheap but here comes the property tax and utility tax grabs destroying
cash flow. Homes are too cheap, because of the liability of taxation
and keep.

So I am big on oil, gold, silver, copper going forward. If you can
produce in demand necessities of modern society, I like.
Otherwise...let someone else own the junk. While I have mad money from
banks, I am a short term player outside of energy and precious metals.

I didn't write the rules, just play by them. And I see hyper-inflation.

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 07/04/2011 7:16 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

no one knows who 'most' people are. typical right wing drivel

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the
bank.

trick is not to become rich. the rich prevent that. social mobility in
america is the worst in the western world

so much for the right wing

While it is true money does not bring happiness, not having it is a load
of misery. So why be miserable?

If you look, social mobility in America went down as unions went up and
the cause is social. Made it far too easy to be lazy. Apathy sets in
and then you have a squatter class of people.

People still come to the USA as it is still, even with its government
currency fraud issues a good place to cut the mustard and move up. I
must admit when I went to the US in the 90's I felt daunted, got there
and found it soft and chewy on the inside.

Heck, I was born on the poor side of the tracks and was hungry and smart
enough I wasn't going to wait for "government" to fix it. Did I make
the right choice. Old friends, still poor and still working.
Depressing actually, as we underestimate the cost of apathy and
entitlement attitudes.

I didn't make it ultra rich, not even super rich...but made it far
enough I do not need to work for a wage. And I am young enough I can
enjoy it.

**********************

Why do you keep repeating yourself??
Who are you trying to convince??

On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, True North wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 07/04/2011 7:16 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

no one knows who 'most' people are. typical right wing drivel

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the
bank.

trick is not to become rich. the rich prevent that. social mobility in
america is the worst in the western world

so much for the right wing

While it is true money does not bring happiness, not having it is a load
of misery. So why be miserable?

If you look, social mobility in America went down as unions went up and
the cause is social. Made it far too easy to be lazy. Apathy sets in
and then you have a squatter class of people.

People still come to the USA as it is still, even with its government
currency fraud issues a good place to cut the mustard and move up. I
must admit when I went to the US in the 90's I felt daunted, got there
and found it soft and chewy on the inside.

Heck, I was born on the poor side of the tracks and was hungry and smart
enough I wasn't going to wait for "government" to fix it. Did I make
the right choice. Old friends, still poor and still working.
Depressing actually, as we underestimate the cost of apathy and
entitlement attitudes.

I didn't make it ultra rich, not even super rich...but made it far
enough I do not need to work for a wage. And I am young enough I can
enjoy it.

**********************

Why do you keep repeating yourself??
Who are you trying to convince??

Having trouble posting today, sometimes it is a dupe.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:26:15 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an
ounce of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all.
You being on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil
and precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me
a F350 loaded after taxes.

Keep your few dollars clutched tight in your little fist. You're a
moron.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:47:39 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an ounce
of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all. You being
on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil and
precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me a
F350 loaded after taxes.


Yawn. Any idiot can buy currency, oil and precious metal paper. If
you're buying paper, though, you're subject to the vagaries of
governments and manipulators all of the world, any number of which might
play with your paper assets. Real goldbugs have real gold.


Why would you want an F350? To haul around the bull**** you sling here?

He probably got it as a donation and goes house to house removing
copper pipe so he can sell it at the local junk yard.