On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.

That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.

I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.


What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.

I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.

If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.
That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.
I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.

What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.
I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.

If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

And every other Republican.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:18:02 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.
That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.
I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.

What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.
I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.

If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

And every other Republican.

For now, I agree with you. None of them are worth much. Perhaps
someday regain their moral footing, but until then...

wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:18:02 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.
That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.
I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.
What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.
I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.
If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.
I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.
And every other Republican.

For now, I agree with you. None of them are worth much. Perhaps
someday regain their moral footing, but until then...

The GOP is going to have to push the teahadist nutcases, birthers, women
haters and Latino haters out the door before it attracts many reasonable
national candidates. Even Romney, who is at least mostly rationale, is
kissing the ass of the nutcases.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:16:03 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:18:02 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.
That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.
I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.
What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.
I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.
If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.
I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.
And every other Republican.

For now, I agree with you. None of them are worth much. Perhaps
someday regain their moral footing, but until then...

The GOP is going to have to push the teahadist nutcases, birthers, women
haters and Latino haters out the door before it attracts many reasonable
national candidates. Even Romney, who is at least mostly rationale, is
kissing the ass of the nutcases.

Same with Pawlenty.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:23:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:18:02 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400,
wrote:


I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

And every other Republican.

When we have Democrats like Clinton and Obama, who needs republicans?
When they come in, they keep all the same people the GOP had.

Vote for Nader or Paul then. See if that makes a difference.


They have become redundant. That is why they were taken over by
religious fundamentalists.

Obama has? Really? That's a new one.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:35:05 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.

That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.

I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.


What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.

I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.

If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I will feel better when it happens.

So what? Do you think anyone really wants us to be in another war?

Your feelings are irrelevant.


I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

There won't be another Bush in there anytime soon.
Huckabee could be scary.
I don't really see a viable republican I like.

I guess you'll be voting for Obama then. Good for you!

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:13:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:41 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:35:05 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:30:52 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?
Well, I guess when the President/VP and CIA gin up a bunch of
nonsense, even those dumb Democrats get fooled.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liber...raqNayVote.htm

Far more non-sucker Dems than Reps.
Iraq War Resolution Act.
House against - 126 Dems, 6 Reps.
Senate against - 21 Dems, 1 Rep.

That is about the same as the vote on Afghanistan and a Libya vote
would not come out that well.

BTW you didn't say how many voted FOR.

But enough total suckers to carry the bill in a Rep Congress.
Too many suckers.
Here's one guy who wasn't buying it.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/feingold1.html

Hey, why is Greg talking about Iraq?
I thought this was about Afghanistan.

I am trying to talk about Libya but Plume can let Iraq go.
Every time I say anything she responds with Iraq.


What point are you trying to make about Libya? Are you contemplating
that Obama is going to try to order in significant numbers of ground
troups? I don't see that happening.

Some wag suggested we arm both sides in these fundamentalist, backwards
countries to the teeth, let them fight it out, and then shoot all the
members of whichever side emerges, and then shoot whoever wants to take
over until there is no one left who wants to rule. At that point,
sometime in the future, it is possible a reasonable form of democracy
might arise.

That's a *bit* too cynical for me.

I just want to hear our exit strategy. It really does not look like
air power is going to displace Qdaffy and we will soon find ourselves
in a similar position to what we were in with Iraq.

If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I will feel better when it happens.

So what? Do you think anyone really wants us to be in another war?

Yet we are

Yet that has nothing to do with your "endless" war paranoia.


Your feelings are irrelevant.

As are yours, nobody really cares what we think.


I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

There won't be another Bush in there anytime soon.
Huckabee could be scary.
I don't really see a viable republican I like.

I guess you'll be voting for Obama then. Good for you!

I am not sure who I will vote for. Obama is not standing out as being
much more than the 5th Bush brother.

Feel free to vote for Palin.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:38:11 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:44:56 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:13:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:41 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:35:05 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:


If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I will feel better when it happens.

So what? Do you think anyone really wants us to be in another war?

Yet we are

Yet that has nothing to do with your "endless" war paranoia.

Endless war means the wars never end. I would feel better if we
actually started ending a few. The only war we ended in 60 years was
Vietnam. The rest are still on hold. The troops are still there armed
to the teeth, just waiting for another provocation to start them up
again.

So according to you, Mr. Expert, we should just disband the military.



I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

There won't be another Bush in there anytime soon.
Huckabee could be scary.
I don't really see a viable republican I like.

I guess you'll be voting for Obama then. Good for you!

I am not sure who I will vote for. Obama is not standing out as being
much more than the 5th Bush brother.

Feel free to vote for Palin.

I would rather write in Ron Paul

Feel free. It'll be about as likely that he'll win.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:05:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:48:35 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:38:11 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:44:56 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:13:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:41 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:35:05 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400, wrote:


If you listened to any news outlet (no Fox doesn't count), you'd know
that we'll be handing off more of the air bombing to others.

I will feel better when it happens.

So what? Do you think anyone really wants us to be in another war?

Yet we are

Yet that has nothing to do with your "endless" war paranoia.

Endless war means the wars never end. I would feel better if we
actually started ending a few. The only war we ended in 60 years was
Vietnam. The rest are still on hold. The troops are still there armed
to the teeth, just waiting for another provocation to start them up
again.

So according to you, Mr. Expert, we should just disband the military.

No, I just want the military to do what it is constitutionally
authorized to do, protect the USA.

How do they do that without being involved elsewhere and being
prepared?

We could certainly cut the DoD budget by half tho and still be
spending more than anyone else in the world.
It is funny when I am the one saying the pentagon budget is bloated,
to a lefty.

I've already said several times that we need to cut the DoD budget.
So, your last comment is disingenuous.


I still remember the early talk about the NFZ there when it was
"humanitarian" to save the Kurds with the bonus that they would topple
Saddam if we could just give them a chance.

I don't think Obama would go in but who knows what the next yahoo
might do if he has it all teed up.

I agree. Let's try and keep Jeb out of the White House.

There won't be another Bush in there anytime soon.
Huckabee could be scary.
I don't really see a viable republican I like.

I guess you'll be voting for Obama then. Good for you!

I am not sure who I will vote for. Obama is not standing out as being
much more than the 5th Bush brother.

Feel free to vote for Palin.

I would rather write in Ron Paul

Feel free. It'll be about as likely that he'll win.

I have not voted for a winning candidate since Reagan and I don't feel
bad about it at all. At least I felt good about my vote.

Good for you. That's not a great track record for making a difference
in this country though.