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On 20/03/2011 6:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:01:48 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:54:36 -0400, wrote: Why does there have to be outrage from the left? Where are the Republicans who want the Afg. war to end right now? There aren't many. Sounds to me like you're bitter about something. Perhaps you should write Bush a letter and tell him how you feel about the two wars he started, one of choice, while he pretty much ignored the one that had some justification. Actually I would write Obama a letter and ask him what happened to his 2007 and early 2008 promise to end BOTH wars. Where's all the outrage about the Bosnian conflict? Oh wait, that was Clinton's war.. I was never happy about Bosnia and we still have troops on the ground there. We still have troops in Germany, Korea, and Japan. I don't understand Germany and Japan either. Maybe we should remove them right now? Would that make you feel better? We are still at war with Korea ... as much as we ever were, this is just a cease fire in an undeclared war. So, we should just leave, right? The troops in Bosnia are engaged in peacekeeping activities. What the hell does that mean? If this is really "peace keeping", send the peace corps, other wise it is a military adventure. Really? Who have we shot at recently in Bosnia? Iraq seems an "iffy" proposition. Many believe open warfare will break out there as we begin pulling out in large numbers. I've always thought Iraq was and would remain a disaster. Count on it. No, you count on it... the rest of us will go with the facts on the ground. Afghanistan, now there's the rub. I have no idea why we are in Afghanistan, and it is one of the issues I have with the Obama administration. We have always agreed there. Sometimes I think we maintain these overseas positions in order to give our boys in uniform something to do, possibilities for promotion, and the ability to remain in uniform. After all, if we weren't so active, we could cut the military budget in half, at least, and muster out hundreds of thousands of marginal troops like Herring. We could still cut the budget in half but the real problem is, most of the DoD budget is a pork barrel jobs program. Which is, of course, Obama's fault. Certainly not Reagan's. Hey, if anyone thinks Reagan is to blame for the curent mess I suggest they see a doctor a the logic and rationality centers of the brain must be dead. Their that or too many bad drugs. -- In Debt We Trust - Obama and the Democrats. |
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In article ,
says... On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:13:00 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:31:53 -0400, wrote: I do wonder how this plays in a "fighting words" state where it is determined that some speech is egregious enough to justify assault. It depends a lot on the presiding authority. Different places define them differently. Basically, it's when they're used to incite violence or express hatred by the person to whom they're directed, but that's very broad. I think standing next to a funeral telling some family that their son died because god killed him for supporting fags is "inciting violence". A few thugs in masks should pop out of a crowd and give a few of them hideous beat downs and disappear back into the crowd.. A couple incidents like that and the cowards would go find something else to do to try to impress each other... That is when they got out of the hospital. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:50:32 -0400, wrote:
Duh ... BIKERS. They are supposed to be a little threatening. Most of the bikers around here are on social security. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:17:27 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:40:48 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:23:45 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:16:41 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:35:17 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:31:43 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:18:37 -0400, Ernie wrote: On 3/20/2011 11:46 AM, wrote: Will there be any outrage about dead kids coming home from Libya? The whole topic *bores* Krause. I am always amused when the democrats sit idly by as a democratic president prosecutes an idiotic war but they get all over a republican for the same war. Looks like you're about to join the traitors. Are you seriously comparing Iraq to Libya? It appears you just called them "the same war." Are you anticipating the death of American military in Libya? Will that happening "prove you right?" Do you want to be "right?" You just dropped 97 notches on the intelligence scale. I'm surprised. But as I said in another post, low politics has no morality or sense of judgement. As soon as you start talking "democrat" and "republican" you forfeit the right to be taken seriously. You become a puppet to those labels. But it's amusing to see you join the ranks of Mike Moore and Scotty Ingersoll in one fell swoop. Iraq started as a no fly zone, as did Bosnia. We are still in both countries. It did not start as a no-fly zone. It started with Bush I rolling back the Iraqi advance into Kuwait. No that mission ended when we wisely abandoned the pursuit of the Republican guard into Iraq. We were supposed to come home, only leaving a token force behind to protect Kuwait ... for a short period of time. The whole no fly zone thing came about as a totally different policy when some moron decided if we could keep Saddam's air force down, the Kurds would topple Saddam. It sounds like what we are doing in Libya today. Under which presidency was that? Hmmm... GHWB. As I said, it started as a roll-back from Kuwait. The no fly zones had nothing to do with rolling back from Kuwait. It was all about supporting the Northern Alliance. Huh? I never said they did. Bush I ordered the attack after Kuwait. That's when it started. But, of course, Bush is a Republican, so it's ok. Perhaps Bosnia was worth it? Or, do you think ethnic cleansing is ok... I am not sure we did much more than postpone the next round of ethnic cleansing. If we really thought we had fixed anything we would come home but we have just created another Korea where we keep 50,000 troops to keep people who want to kill each other from killing each other, basically replacing the Soviets who did that for 45 years. Really? I guess you haven't been keeping up on the current events. Do a Google search and get back to us. Enlighten me. Tell me something different. Are you saying the Soviets didn't tamp down this 500 year feud? Are you saying it didn't start back up shortly after they left? We did all celebrate their freedom from communism, until we figured out what they were going to do with their freedom. I'm saying that the Bosnian war was successful in stopping the genocide. Do you really think they suddenly are going to let bygones be bygones and forget the feud? As soon as we leave they will be back at it. According to you, international and all-things expert. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:32:28 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:20:05 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:54:36 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote: We still have troops in Germany, Korea, and Japan. I guess there might be some good that's come out of having troops in Japan, given all the help they need. Most of the US help is coming from the Navy, not the army troops on the ground. Both are helping, but you don't really care about us helping them do you. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:14:41 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 20/03/2011 6:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:01:48 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:54:36 -0400, wrote: Why does there have to be outrage from the left? Where are the Republicans who want the Afg. war to end right now? There aren't many. Sounds to me like you're bitter about something. Perhaps you should write Bush a letter and tell him how you feel about the two wars he started, one of choice, while he pretty much ignored the one that had some justification. Actually I would write Obama a letter and ask him what happened to his 2007 and early 2008 promise to end BOTH wars. Where's all the outrage about the Bosnian conflict? Oh wait, that was Clinton's war.. I was never happy about Bosnia and we still have troops on the ground there. We still have troops in Germany, Korea, and Japan. I don't understand Germany and Japan either. Maybe we should remove them right now? Would that make you feel better? We are still at war with Korea ... as much as we ever were, this is just a cease fire in an undeclared war. So, we should just leave, right? The troops in Bosnia are engaged in peacekeeping activities. What the hell does that mean? If this is really "peace keeping", send the peace corps, other wise it is a military adventure. Really? Who have we shot at recently in Bosnia? Iraq seems an "iffy" proposition. Many believe open warfare will break out there as we begin pulling out in large numbers. I've always thought Iraq was and would remain a disaster. Count on it. No, you count on it... the rest of us will go with the facts on the ground. Afghanistan, now there's the rub. I have no idea why we are in Afghanistan, and it is one of the issues I have with the Obama administration. We have always agreed there. Sometimes I think we maintain these overseas positions in order to give our boys in uniform something to do, possibilities for promotion, and the ability to remain in uniform. After all, if we weren't so active, we could cut the military budget in half, at least, and muster out hundreds of thousands of marginal troops like Herring. We could still cut the budget in half but the real problem is, most of the DoD budget is a pork barrel jobs program. Which is, of course, Obama's fault. Certainly not Reagan's. Hey, if anyone thinks Reagan is to blame for the curent mess I suggest they see a doctor a the logic and rationality centers of the brain must be dead. Their that or too many bad drugs. Hey, you're an idiot. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:23:57 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:42:45 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:01:48 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:54:36 -0400, Harryk wrote: Why does there have to be outrage from the left? Where are the Republicans who want the Afg. war to end right now? There aren't many. Sounds to me like you're bitter about something. Perhaps you should write Bush a letter and tell him how you feel about the two wars he started, one of choice, while he pretty much ignored the one that had some justification. Actually I would write Obama a letter and ask him what happened to his 2007 and early 2008 promise to end BOTH wars. Where's all the outrage about the Bosnian conflict? Oh wait, that was Clinton's war.. I was never happy about Bosnia and we still have troops on the ground there. We still have troops in Germany, Korea, and Japan. I don't understand Germany and Japan either. Maybe we should remove them right now? Would that make you feel better? It's a start when we want to chip away at the $600 billion DoD budget We are still at war with Korea ... as much as we ever were, this is just a cease fire in an undeclared war. So, we should just leave, right? Maybe. Sure thing. Screw the Japanese. Let them suffer. You're quite a humanitarian. The troops in Bosnia are engaged in peacekeeping activities. What the hell does that mean? If this is really "peace keeping", send the peace corps, other wise it is a military adventure. Really? Who have we shot at recently in Bosnia? Are you saying we shouldn't be there either. Now we are getting somewhere. I'm saying we're doing a valuable job there, whether or not you like it. Iraq seems an "iffy" proposition. Many believe open warfare will break out there as we begin pulling out in large numbers. I've always thought Iraq was and would remain a disaster. Count on it. No, you count on it... the rest of us will go with the facts on the ground. The "facts on the ground" are that as soon as we pull back from a place in Afghanistan, it goes back to the way it was like pulling your foot out of a bucket of mud. Maybe, but of course you're the expert in all things, so it's got to be true. Afghanistan, now there's the rub. I have no idea why we are in Afghanistan, and it is one of the issues I have with the Obama administration. We have always agreed there. Sometimes I think we maintain these overseas positions in order to give our boys in uniform something to do, possibilities for promotion, and the ability to remain in uniform. After all, if we weren't so active, we could cut the military budget in half, at least, and muster out hundreds of thousands of marginal troops like Herring. We could still cut the budget in half but the real problem is, most of the DoD budget is a pork barrel jobs program. Which is, of course, Obama's fault. Certainly not Reagan's. Probably more like George Washington, certainly FDR. Eisenhower tried to warn us but JFK cranked up the arms race (on a lie about a nonexistent missile gap) and it never stopped Sure... Reagan, the God, couldn't be at fault. |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:29:54 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:44:11 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:29:11 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:18:00 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:37:39 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:46:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:06:25 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:04:41 -0400, wrote: I was wrong, I did misread the first note. John does have a point though. The media fought Bush for the right to go out to Dover and take pictures of coffins from the Iraq war and now that they have that right, they are not showing the coffins coming home from Afghanistan. I don't really think it is a liberal conspiracy though. I think the TV networks just figured out they sell more products if they don't show coffins and they like the American public to be as blissfully ignorant of this war as Oprah. It does demonstrate how phony the righteous indignation of the left was when Bush was the president. It was never about the war. It was only about Bush. That's about as simple-minded an analysis as I've seen. Maybe there's less reportage about the bodies because it's been reported and it's boring. So you are saying Bush made war a safe prospect for Democrats? Now nobody cares that our kids are being killed for no particular reason and they can stay in the blissful ignorance Oprah is so proud of. No, I am not saying that Bush made way a "safe prospect." What I posted, in plain English, is easy enough to understand: maybe there is less reportage about the bodies because it's been reported and it's boring. The young U.S. men and women who died in Iraq during Bush's war were killed for no particular reason. The last time large numbers of U.S. troops died for a particular reason was in World War II. The question still stands, where is the outrage from the left about the kids who are still coming home from Afghanistan in a box? Will there be any outrage about dead kids coming home from Libya? Why does there have to be outrage from the left? Where are the Republicans who want the Afg. war to end right now? There aren't many. Sounds to me like you're bitter about something. Perhaps you should write Bush a letter and tell him how you feel about the two wars he started, one of choice, while he pretty much ignored the one that had some justification. Actually I would write Obama a letter and ask him what happened to his 2007 and early 2008 promise to end BOTH wars. He would probably write back, saying he's trying, but Bush left quite a mess. Are you saying he wasn't up to the job he was running for? That is what Hillary was saying all through the spring of 2008. This may be the first president in history who is still blaming the previous president 4 years later. I'm saying that Bush was a lying asshole and he and Cheney are war criminals. That seems to be your only thought about anything. It sure doesn't say much about that $100,000 education. It sure does say much about your unwillingness to face the facts. Feel free to attack me personally if it makes you feel better. The facts are pretty clear that the two of them should be in jail. Where's all the outrage about the Bosnian conflict? Oh wait, that was Clinton's war.. I was never happy about Bosnia and we still have troops on the ground there. Sure... ethnic cleansing is ok with you... we have no reason to protect people who are being persecuted because of that. We only seem to care about "cleansing" white people. The world is full of genocide and we conveniently ignore it everywhere else. So, you do or don't want us to get involved in those situations? Time to get off the fence. NO, clear enough? It is none of our business. Perfectly clear. You don't care about your fellow human beings. Got it. I do notice the hypocrisy that we did only went after the genocide in (white) Bosnia and we don't give a **** about genocide in Tibet, or sub saharan Africa. You didn't care about what was going on in Iraq either. At least I am consistent. Yep. We should have done more there. Not less elsewhere. I didn't care about Iraq? Where are you getting that? You have yet to be consistent about much... perhaps false equivalency and an unwillingness to get past right-wing ideology. |
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