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On Mar 6, 10:41*am, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html And AGAIN.... NO Boating content. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/6/2011 10:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html He might as well buy them some bomb belts. The problem is their manual or Koran and the Islamic Leaders don't give squat about anthing else. These Folks are off track. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. -- Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. -- Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:00:38 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. I guess he doesn't understand that Marxism and any religion are incompatible. 'Marxists stand on the basis of philosophical materialism, which rules out the existence of any supernatural entity, or anything outside or "above" nature.' |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Your lack of serious, formal education is showing again, Bertie-Birther. Even a two year degree from Montgomery College or whatever your community college is called these days is more formal education than you have. It must have been obvious to your parents that you couldn't cut it academically in college, so your naval officer father suggested you join the marines. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Ingersoll. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/2011 8:33 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Ingersoll. BAR doesn't seem to get much "right" beyond of course his political leaning. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article ,
says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. At least you admit you are one. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
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says... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... Man, he is a sick, low life piece of ****, that's for sure. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/11 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... My fantasies don't involve dwarfs, underaged girls, or spending the weekend in a tent with underaged girls. When I was last single, I didn't date any women younger than 27. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
My fantasies don't involve dwarfs, underaged girls, or spending the weekend in a tent with underaged girls. When I was last single, I didn't date any women younger than 27. How many failed marriages do you have Harry? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/2011 11:48 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. At least you admit you are one. You are still sending love letters to Harry, the guy who doesn't answer you, Loogy? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... So far as it concerns you, they're probably nightmares. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
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Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... Add it to your file. He's providing you with good evidence. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
Harryk wrote:
On 3/8/11 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... My fantasies don't involve dwarfs, underaged girls, or spending the weekend in a tent with underaged girls. When I was last single, I didn't date any women younger than 27. That's sad. You are so repulsive to women that you finally got laid by a 27 year old? How old were you? 35? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
HenryK wrote:
On 3/8/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote: My fantasies don't involve dwarfs, underaged girls, or spending the weekend in a tent with underaged girls. When I was last single, I didn't date any women younger than 27. How many failed marriages do you have Harry? His alleged wife won't even take his last name. Next question... |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
In article ,
says... On 3/8/2011 8:33 AM, Harryk wrote: On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 Let's see his transcript from this Catholic school? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On 3/9/11 8:36 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 3/8/2011 8:33 AM, Harryk wrote: On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 Let's see his transcript from this Catholic school? You should devote your life to obtaining that transcript. It would be your first meaningful (but only to you) quest. Obama spent a few years in Indonesia, *after* he was born in Hawaii. I'll bet there are thousands of born in the USA kids who live a few years overseas because of parental job. Birthers are either racists or political ciphers and, in many cases, both. You can see evidence of that just by noting those in this little newsgroup who are birthers. |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:40:50 -0500, "paul@byc" wrote:
On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... So far as it concerns you, they're probably nightmares. You do realize you're supporting some pretty sick ****, right? |
Obama rebuilding Muslim mosques....
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 10:32:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Scotty, you're doing exactly the same thing Harry's doing. You're both into some sick **** with the pedophile business. Yeah, I know, Paul, Donnie, et al, are supporting Harry in this ****, and it's hard to ignore. But, letting yourself get sucked into their sick **** doesn't speak well of you. |
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On 3/9/2011 12:38 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:40:50 -0500, wrote: On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... So far as it concerns you, they're probably nightmares. You do realize you're supporting some pretty sick ****, right? "Pretty sick ****" is your euphemism for Scotty? Scotty repeatedly accuses someone of being a convicted sex offender even though he knows the fellow in question isn't the Harry Krause who posts here. Scotty is no higher on the evolutionary scale than a roach. |
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On 3/9/11 1:15 PM, paul@byc wrote:
On 3/9/2011 12:38 PM, John H wrote: Scotty repeatedly accuses someone of being a convicted sex offender even though he knows the fellow in question isn't the Harry Krause who posts here. Scotty is no higher on the evolutionary scale than a roach. It is nice to see you are doing your best to stay away from childish name calling. |
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says... On 3/9/2011 12:38 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:40:50 -0500, wrote: On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700, wrote: On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote: ....but not Christian churches? Shame on him. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy growing up as a Marxist Muslim. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US school with US history. Look it up bone head. A. You don't know what you are talking about. Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia. B. You didn't go to any school, apparently. Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas? Here you go, **** for brains: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story chicagotribune.com Obama madrassa myth debunked By Kim Barker Tribune foreign correspondent March 25, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia Advertisement When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day. It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan. Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a fundamentalist Islamic madrassa. Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the "Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien place, a world away from the White House. But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather. When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic. When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam. Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas. Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said. The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all. Mosque visits rare Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro." In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo." Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood. Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say. His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled. In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes. Interfaith studies In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta. On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public school. We have always been a public school." When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion. At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy. Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher. "I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from 1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts." - - - So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having intellectual sex with Scott Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me Harry Krause? Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around. Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks you are a little kid. Get over it creeper, I am straight... Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height, nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in your tent, too? You have some sick fantasies there creeper... So far as it concerns you, they're probably nightmares. You do realize you're supporting some pretty sick ****, right? "Pretty sick ****" is your euphemism for Scotty? Scotty repeatedly accuses someone of being a convicted sex offender even though he knows the fellow in question isn't the Harry Krause who posts here. Scotty is no higher on the evolutionary scale than a roach. You by your own words are new here. If you had read the words of this man as long as we have, you would have no doubt either.. Unfortunately, you are too much of a ideologue to see anything but what you want to see, you are irrelevant because of that... Paul. |
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@mypacks.net says... Let's see his transcript from this Catholic school? You should devote your life to obtaining that transcript. It would be your first meaningful (but only to you) quest. My quests are over. I met with my financial planner and my retirement has moved in two years. Obama spent a few years in Indonesia, *after* he was born in Hawaii. I'll bet there are thousands of born in the USA kids who live a few years overseas because of parental job. You have no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. You have not see anything that proves Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers are either racists or political ciphers and, in many cases, both. You can see evidence of that just by noting those in this little newsgroup who are birthers. You forget I was born about 25 days after Obama and I know what a real birth certificate looks like from that time period. Obama's certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:54:56 -0500, BAR wrote:
You forget I was born about 25 days after Obama and I know what a real birth certificate looks like from that time period. Obama's certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. Supposedly there is documentation in Kenya that he was actually born there a few days prior. It probably does not make a whole lot of difference, sort of like anyone's mother giving birth prematurely while on vacation somewhere. |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:54:56 -0500, BAR wrote: You forget I was born about 25 days after Obama and I know what a real birth certificate looks like from that time period. Obama's certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. Supposedly there is documentation in Kenya that he was actually born there a few days prior. It probably does not make a whole lot of difference, sort of like anyone's mother giving birth prematurely while on vacation somewhere. I bet there's "documentation" that the moon is made out of green cheese. It's complete, birther, racist nonsense. |
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