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And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... |
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On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. You want the Navy to storm the pirate boat and if the hostages are killed, you want to bomb the village of the pirates into oblivion? You are not even high enough on the evolutionary scale to be called a moron. The United States has killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should allow the home towns of our soldiers who did the killing to be bombed into oblivion? Oh, wait...that's just collateral damage. Doesn't count, right? What an asshole you are. |
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In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. I am quite sure you won't, and even if you did, you would lie about it. So I won't bother reading the rest of your spittle... |
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On 2/28/11 11:22 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleff2dnYd3GKstV_bQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. I am quite sure you won't, and even if you did, you would lie about it. So I won't bother reading the rest of your spittle... I understood what you were saying, bat**** brain. It simply made no more sense and was no more based in reality than any of your other birther, teahadist, faux news bat**** comments on world events. You really ought to go back to building little freshwater rowboats, and leave the political commentary to adults with functioning brains. |
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On 2/28/2011 11:17 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. You want the Navy to storm the pirate boat and if the hostages are killed, you want to bomb the village of the pirates into oblivion? You are not even high enough on the evolutionary scale to be called a moron. The United States has killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should allow the home towns of our soldiers who did the killing to be bombed into oblivion? Oh, wait...that's just collateral damage. Doesn't count, right? What an asshole you are. Would you consider starving the pirates out? Would you consider sinking the boat and picking up survivors, selectively of course? Would you prefer to let the pirates bring the hostages to shore and then negotiate release? How would you like to see all this play out? |
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@mypacks.net says... On 2/28/11 11:45 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 2/28/2011 11:17 AM, Harryk wrote: On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. You want the Navy to storm the pirate boat and if the hostages are killed, you want to bomb the village of the pirates into oblivion? You are not even high enough on the evolutionary scale to be called a moron. The United States has killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should allow the home towns of our soldiers who did the killing to be bombed into oblivion? Oh, wait...that's just collateral damage. Doesn't count, right? What an asshole you are. Would you consider starving the pirates out? Would you consider sinking the boat and picking up survivors, selectively of course? Would you prefer to let the pirates bring the hostages to shore and then negotiate release? How would you like to see all this play out? Harry would prefer to insult somebody to try to bring some form of perceived success to his miserable life... You post absolute nonsense. You post absolute bull****.. and I am still not interested in your opinion regarding my posts, and will not read them.. snerk |
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On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. |
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release? How would you like to see all this play out? Harry would prefer to insult somebody to try to bring some form of perceived success to his miserable life... You post absolute nonsense. You post absolute bull****.. and I am still not interested in your opinion regarding my posts, and will not read them..snerk Harry doesn't appear to be much of a thinker. He tries to make up for his shortcomings by constantly insulting others. |
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On 2/28/2011 12:12 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Chances are nothing will be gained by dragging things out. Get it over with. Freeing the hostages is the hard part. |
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"Lil Abner" wrote in message ...
On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. |
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On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:17:52 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. You want the Navy to storm the pirate boat and if the hostages are killed, you want to bomb the village of the pirates into oblivion? You are not even high enough on the evolutionary scale to be called a moron. The United States has killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should allow the home towns of our soldiers who did the killing to be bombed into oblivion? Oh, wait...that's just collateral damage. Doesn't count, right? What an asshole you are. For some people, guns and violence are always the answer. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:12:08 -0500, Lil Abner wrote:
On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. So, I guess you don't care about the vast majority of the people there who are just trying eke out an existence... |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:40:25 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? He's talking about a blockade I would guess. That's pretty difficult given the length of the coast line... very expensive to maintain. Of course, everyone seems to be forgetting our little adventure in 1993, wherein Clinton tried to do something and got blasted by the right-wing. Here's a bit of history for those too ignorant to look it up. http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans...Somalia93.html "The U.N. asked its member nations for assistance. In December 1992, in one of his last acts as President, George Bush proposed to the U.N. that United States combat troops lead the intervention force. The U.N. accepted this offer and 25,000 U.S. troops were deployed to Somalia. President Bush stated that this would not be an “open-ended commitment.” The objective of Operation Restore Hope was to rapidly secure the trade routes in Somalia so that food could get to the people. President Bush stated that U.S. troops would be home in time for Bill Clinton’s inauguration in January. Once President Clinton was inaugurated he stated his desire to scale down the U.S. presence in Somalia, and to let the U.N. forces take over. In March 1993 the U.N. officially took over the operation, naming this mission UNOSOM – II. The objective of this mission was to promote “nation building” within Somalia. One main target was to disarm the Somali people. UNOSOM – II stressed restoring law and order, improving the infrastructure, and assisting the people with setting up a representative government. President Clinton supported the U.N. mandate and ordered the number of U.S. troops in Somalia reduced, to be replaced by U.N. troops. By June 1993, only 1200 U.S. troops remained in Somalia, but on June 5, 1993 24 Pakistani soldiers were ambushed and killed during the inspection of a Somali arms weapons storage site. The U.N. responded with an emergency resolution to apprehend those responsible. While it was not specifically stated, Aidid and his followers were believed to be responsible. On June 19, 1993 Admiral Howe ordered Aidid’s arrest and offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to this. He also requested a counterterrorist rescue force after the massacre of the Pakistani troops." |
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On Feb 28, 1:37*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Lil Abner" *wrote in ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. *Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. *When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. *If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. *They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. 100 miles, that's a laugh. Make it TWENTY miles. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message
m... On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:22:43 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 2/28/11 2:02 PM, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:17:52 -0500, wrote: On 2/28/11 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Let me see if I understand this. You want the Navy to storm the pirate boat and if the hostages are killed, you want to bomb the village of the pirates into oblivion? You are not even high enough on the evolutionary scale to be called a moron. The United States has killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should allow the home towns of our soldiers who did the killing to be bombed into oblivion? Oh, wait...that's just collateral damage. Doesn't count, right? What an asshole you are. For some people, guns and violence are always the answer. You'd think by now that the "quick on the trigger" foreign policy advocates would have learned a few lessons. Apparently John McCain and Joe Lieberman are now advocating "arming" those who oppose the Libyan dictator, but...neither has any idea who the opposition is, who its real leaders are, and what they want. We don't have a good record in this country of supporting the "right side" in these conflicts. We supported the wrong side in Iran and Iraq and in Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Chile, et cetera. Tosk, here, impresses as someone who can barely wipe himself after visiting his three hole outhouse. His foreign policy pronouncements deserve no more consideration than those of a six year old. You'd think... I heard that on the news. I think we're doing just about the right thing... mostly staying out of it and telling the rebels that we'll help if they want it. Of course, Obama is evil, a fool, or whatever.... so, no matter what he does, he's wrong. |
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On 2/28/11 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. Those are the rules of the stupid. We're not at war with Somalia, and we have no legal standing in international law to interdict all Somali boats outside of a 100-mile imaginary boundary. |
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On Feb 28, 4:01*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 2/28/11 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message om... On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. Those are the rules of the stupid. We're not at war with Somalia, and we have no legal standing in international law to interdict all Somali boats outside of a 100-mile imaginary boundary. Well, Canada isn't in a War with Libya....but we've now frozen millions in securities...heh heh. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, Harryk
wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:29:44 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:08:54 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:40:25 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? He's talking about a blockade I would guess. That's pretty difficult given the length of the coast line... very expensive to maintain. Of course, everyone seems to be forgetting our little adventure in 1993, wherein Clinton tried to do something and got blasted by the right-wing. He got blasted because it was a half assed, poorly planned effort that got a lot of GIs killed, similar to the cluster **** in the Iranian desert in 1980. No. He got blasted because he was a hated Democrat. Did Reagan get blasted by the Republicans for screwing up in Lebanon? By the Democrats? Nope. Didn't happen. How many died there? And, Reagan turned tail and ran. By June 1993, only 1200 U.S. troops remained in Somalia, Not enough to take on any real operation in Mogadishu if they sent them all. I guess you didn't even bother to read the article. "President Clinton supported the U.N. mandate and ordered the number of U.S. troops in Somalia reduced, to be replaced by U.N. troops." It sure is convenient when you don't actually include the quote. If we did anything on the ground in Somalia we should send 100,000 at least and we are not going to do that, hence my idea of just going after the pirates by profiling every boat in that area, identifying the likely pirates and engaging them at sea where we can win. Let a few hundred profilers do their job in the US instead of being IED targets in Somalia. Really? This from a non-interventionalist like you? I thought you didn't want to send troops into another senseless war. This is a seaborne problem and it should be handled at sea where it is easier to sort out the good guys and bad guys. Now you're claiming that all the navies in the area are incompetent? Wow, you're some kind of expert!! |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:25:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, Harryk wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote:
I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. |
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On 2/28/11 8:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars When did I say that, Corporate Apologist? |
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says... On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:02 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:17:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:40:25 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? It is called a blockade, unless you are JFK, then it is an embargo. I guarantee you, as soon as they get a terror connection, this will escalate and I think that in imminent. Unfortunately for us, the rule is "first punch is free" so we won't do anything until we have a serious attack traced back to this money. Really... you're going to blockage the entire Somali coast. I bet that will be cheap! The blockade was not my idea, fight that one out with Tosk., I was just saying if we wanted to we could. I said nothing about a blockaid. You need to get some kind of system to keep her constant non-sequitur straight;) |
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@mypacks.net says... Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. Those are the rules of the stupid. We're not at war with Somalia, and we have no legal standing in international law to interdict all Somali boats outside of a 100-mile imaginary boundary. A man-of-war can stop, board and inspect the cargo of each and every non-military ship on the high seas. |
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On 2/28/2011 9:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:29:06 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote: I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. That is particularly true with blue water sailors like you. There are really Caribbean pirates too, just not as many. How much thought do you give that when you are plotting courses? That begs a question from me. A friend several years ago asked to borrow a capable firearm because they were going cruising in the Caribbean. I had never though about piracy there. How is that situation with Piracy and being armed to ward them off? |
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says... In article , says... Now you're claiming that all the navies in the area are incompetent? Wow, you're some kind of expert!! Who said anyone was incompetent. I said we should engage the pirates at sea,, not invading Somalia. BUT The other navies (with the possible exception of the Russians) are nothing compared to us. They don't have theater surveillance capability, their air support is limited to land bases for the most part and they are usually using weapons we gave them because they were obsolete. You can hate Reagan but he built us a heluva navy. All of the NATO navies are integrated into the US's theater surveillance systems. The real problem with these surface assets is they are slow to respond if there is a lot of distance involved. That is why you need to find the pirates, track them and be there when their course and a likely target ship course meets. 30 knts over water is fast when you are moving an 500 foot destroyer but it doesn't do anything to get the assets, 5 inch 50's and RIBS with USCG officers and PO's and navy sailors putting M16's on the pirates. Predator drones and a Global Hawk are probably the right tools. We are the only ones who have them. The problem is the cost and time on station. We need a base within operating range of the area. A predator costs about $4.5 million and has a 24 hour fuel load before it becomes an anchor. They have a 2000 mile radius but that means you have to get it there, do you operating and then get back to land. And, with a 135 MPH you would need to have several aloft at a time. I still say profiling is the answer. You have profilers that know the fishing grounds and patterns. We can watch a lot of vessels in theater. When you see "fishing boats" that are not following the profile, or are suspect based on that profile, you put a couple extra sets of eyes on them. If they launch out small skiffs or show themselves moving away from a fishing area toward a ship, or shipping area, you start to move an asset like predator drone closer and watch them more. If you see that skiff moving toward another vessel, and then get a SOS from that vessel, you can pretty much just let that predator vaporize the skiffs before they get off that first RPG, and then go address the mother ship, and address I mean vaporize them too... |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:53:49 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:11:24 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:29:44 -0500, wrote: By June 1993, only 1200 U.S. troops remained in Somalia, Not enough to take on any real operation in Mogadishu if they sent them all. I guess you didn't even bother to read the article. "President Clinton supported the U.N. mandate and ordered the number of U.S. troops in Somalia reduced, to be replaced by U.N. troops." It sure is convenient when you don't actually include the quote. No I saw it but as a general rule UN troops are a joke. US and UK troops do most of the fighting. So, then what was Clinton supposed to do. Yet again, it was a Bush conflict that a Democrat inherited. If we did anything on the ground in Somalia we should send 100,000 at least and we are not going to do that, hence my idea of just going after the pirates by profiling every boat in that area, identifying the likely pirates and engaging them at sea where we can win. Let a few hundred profilers do their job in the US instead of being IED targets in Somalia. Really? This from a non-interventionalist like you? I thought you didn't want to send troops into another senseless war. What does a naval action have to do with "troops". I have been talking about largely unmanned aircraft. So, you want to bomb them? I thought you were against that sort of thing. This is a seaborne problem and it should be handled at sea where it is easier to sort out the good guys and bad guys. Now you're claiming that all the navies in the area are incompetent? Wow, you're some kind of expert!! Who said anyone was incompetent. I said we should engage the pirates at sea,, not invading Somalia. And, we're not doing that? I believe we are. What exactly are you proposing that's different? How many resources should we throw at it until you're satisfied? BUT The other navies (with the possible exception of the Russians) are nothing compared to us. They don't have theater surveillance capability, their air support is limited to land bases for the most part and they are usually using weapons we gave them because they were obsolete. And, certainly we shouldn't coordinate with them! ?? You can hate Reagan but he built us a heluva navy. Reagan was not a hateful person, and I don't hate him. He made some major mistakes and isn't the god some people think he was. Which we mostly no longer need much of it. The real problem with these surface assets is they are slow to respond if there is a lot of distance involved. That is why you need to find the pirates, track them and be there when their course and a likely target ship course meets. So, they're slow to respond, but we need them. Predator drones and a Global Hawk are probably the right tools. We are the only ones who have them. Sure.. and we're supposed to just attack fishing boats we THINK are involved. No surface id required. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:31:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... Now you're claiming that all the navies in the area are incompetent? Wow, you're some kind of expert!! Who said anyone was incompetent. I said we should engage the pirates at sea,, not invading Somalia. BUT The other navies (with the possible exception of the Russians) are nothing compared to us. They don't have theater surveillance capability, their air support is limited to land bases for the most part and they are usually using weapons we gave them because they were obsolete. You can hate Reagan but he built us a heluva navy. All of the NATO navies are integrated into the US's theater surveillance systems. The real problem with these surface assets is they are slow to respond if there is a lot of distance involved. That is why you need to find the pirates, track them and be there when their course and a likely target ship course meets. 30 knts over water is fast when you are moving an 500 foot destroyer but it doesn't do anything to get the assets, 5 inch 50's and RIBS with USCG officers and PO's and navy sailors putting M16's on the pirates. Predator drones and a Global Hawk are probably the right tools. We are the only ones who have them. The problem is the cost and time on station. We need a base within operating range of the area. A predator costs about $4.5 million and has a 24 hour fuel load before it becomes an anchor. They have a 2000 mile radius but that means you have to get it there, do you operating and then get back to land. And, with a 135 MPH you would need to have several aloft at a time. Sounds fine to me. I just don't think it's priority one. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:29:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote: I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? No. It's an example of you being a pig. :) PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. You're right. In any case, you're still Mr. Wayne of OT post complaints. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:59:58 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:29:06 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote: I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. That is particularly true with blue water sailors like you. There are really Caribbean pirates too, just not as many. How much thought do you give that when you are plotting courses? Pirates of the Caribbean! I went on that ride once. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:32:00 -0500, Lil Abner wrote:
On 2/28/2011 9:59 PM, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:29:06 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote: I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. That is particularly true with blue water sailors like you. There are really Caribbean pirates too, just not as many. How much thought do you give that when you are plotting courses? That begs a question from me. A friend several years ago asked to borrow a capable firearm because they were going cruising in the Caribbean. I had never though about piracy there. How is that situation with Piracy and being armed to ward them off? It's terrible... don't go. Please! |
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