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On 2/28/11 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. Those are the rules of the stupid. We're not at war with Somalia, and we have no legal standing in international law to interdict all Somali boats outside of a 100-mile imaginary boundary. |
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On Feb 28, 4:01*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 2/28/11 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message om... On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? Reply: Under the rule of the others got bigger guns and boats. Those are the rules of the stupid. We're not at war with Somalia, and we have no legal standing in international law to interdict all Somali boats outside of a 100-mile imaginary boundary. Well, Canada isn't in a War with Libya....but we've now frozen millions in securities...heh heh. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, Harryk
wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:25:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, Harryk wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:44 -0800, wrote:
I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars He said nothing of the sort. Try again Mr. Wayne of OT posts. Why is that when I disagree with Harry, I get a response from you, and when I disagree with you, I get a response from Harry. Are you two sleeping with each other? Is this an example of collusion? PS, nothing about piracy is off topic. Piracy, by definition, is all about boats. |
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On 2/28/11 8:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:20:23 -0500, wrote: That blockade was imposed against ships sent out by a nation. I believe any such blockade as described here will violate international law. My friend, Harold the lawyer, operating from his basement office in Maryland, says we have no legal standing to deal with piracy on the high seas. Interesting. I thought that precedent had been established by Tom Jefferson some years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars When did I say that, Corporate Apologist? |
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In article ,
says... On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:12:02 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:17:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:40:25 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/28/11 1:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "Lil Abner" wrote in message ... On 2/28/2011 11:02 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: And this boat has three children. It's time for this to stop. The Navy needs to storm this boat. If the innocents are killed they need to identify the pirates, which town they are from in Somali, and eliminate it. I guarantee you do this a couple of times, and the Somalis themselves will put a stop to it... Somehow it is more civilized to let the drama continue. That there is a Global government etc that should deal with piracy as a crime with due process and Pirates rights. We have the resources to locate these people on the oceans. Sink them without asking them, about their troubled childhoods, poor villages back home, and their hopes and aspirations. Somalia is a trouble region and really is no civilized government in control of anything their gnp is probably all from piracy. Let the military deal with them as they deem wise and necessary, on the spot and no recriminations from Washington etc. No trials. Once the victims are free, put the pirates back on the mother or pirate ship and sink it. Close their ports and destroy them. they might get upset...well the victims are upset and the rest of the world is tired of it. Reply: Solution to the piracy. Limit the fishing to within 100 miles of the shore. If a Somali boat is outside the 100 miles, they sink and die. When the Somali's decide that piracy is not worth the problems, then they can fish further out. If the pirates capture a boat inside the 100 miles, is the boats problem. They kill hostages while in Somalia, then figure how who had gotten rich in the last 5 years and kill them. Under International Law, I doubt you can do that. How are you going to legally restrict access to the high seas? It is called a blockade, unless you are JFK, then it is an embargo. I guarantee you, as soon as they get a terror connection, this will escalate and I think that in imminent. Unfortunately for us, the rule is "first punch is free" so we won't do anything until we have a serious attack traced back to this money. Really... you're going to blockage the entire Somali coast. I bet that will be cheap! The blockade was not my idea, fight that one out with Tosk., I was just saying if we wanted to we could. I said nothing about a blockaid. You need to get some kind of system to keep her constant non-sequitur straight |
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