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On 2/21/2011 2:12 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/02/2011 6:59 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 2/20/2011 11:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:41:42 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:08:05 -0500, wrote:

That chart in link 2 assumes an unrealistic rise in GDP and the
idea
that the salaries of the people paying in will rise that fast too.
Talk to Bob about how that has been going. The problem is
demographic
and you don't have a chart to dispute that.
No matter what chart or what fact I show you, you're not going to
change your mind. So, what's the point?
You are the one who keeps changing the subject when you get backed
into a corner. I say SS and Medicare is upside down. You present a
chart that says SS and Medicare are not only upside down but will be
in the red forever and try to say that is fine.
I haven't changed the subject at all. I've said and will continue to
say that this is a long-term problem not a short one. Holding people
hostage of this (what's happening in the House as an example) is worse
than nonsense.
Well it might have BEEN a long term problem in 1964 when Goldwater
wanted to fix it but this is 2011 and the plane has crashed into the
mountain. Outgo is less than income. Both programs are under water and
there is still no real plan to fix it. The current Obama plan seems to
be to reduce revenue, they just reduced the payroll tax 2%. Very
republican of him huh?
BTW your chart does not take that into account.

SS and Medicare needs a stimulus package,or at least pay back what was
stolen, with interest.
Obama can do it. He set the precedent.

How can government stimulate it? Just moving debt from one line to
another, like paying a credit card with another.

That would work for me.

Canuck57[_9_]

On 21/02/2011 12:28 PM, HarryK wrote:
On 2/21/2011 2:12 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/02/2011 6:59 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 2/20/2011 11:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:41:42 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:08:05 -0500, wrote:

That chart in link 2 assumes an unrealistic rise in GDP and the
idea
that the salaries of the people paying in will rise that fast too.
Talk to Bob about how that has been going. The problem is
demographic
and you don't have a chart to dispute that.
No matter what chart or what fact I show you, you're not going to
change your mind. So, what's the point?
You are the one who keeps changing the subject when you get backed
into a corner. I say SS and Medicare is upside down. You present a
chart that says SS and Medicare are not only upside down but will be
in the red forever and try to say that is fine.
I haven't changed the subject at all. I've said and will continue to
say that this is a long-term problem not a short one. Holding people
hostage of this (what's happening in the House as an example) is worse
than nonsense.
Well it might have BEEN a long term problem in 1964 when Goldwater
wanted to fix it but this is 2011 and the plane has crashed into the
mountain. Outgo is less than income. Both programs are under water and
there is still no real plan to fix it. The current Obama plan seems to
be to reduce revenue, they just reduced the payroll tax 2%. Very
republican of him huh?
BTW your chart does not take that into account.

SS and Medicare needs a stimulus package,or at least pay back what was
stolen, with interest.
Obama can do it. He set the precedent.

How can government stimulate it? Just moving debt from one line to
another, like paying a credit card with another.

That would work for me.

Actually, if you are retired and getting Social Security you should be
mad as a hornet. All that Social Security money being loaned and
skimmed to the government for peanuts.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

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