On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, Moose wrote:

On 2/18/2011 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 9:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:01 am, need wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...



On 2/18/11 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
The Obamanations are not interested in democracy as shown by what is
happening in Wisconsin. When the other side wins the election, they
engage in an illegal walkout to prevent legislation. Remember "Card
Check" where they tried to deny people the right to vote on
unionization? They have no interest in Democracy, they are interested
in raw power.
Winning the election was not good enough because they do not recognize
who won. When that happens, the next step is..................
...right-wing racist-birthers like you move to another country?
Yes, we know you are trying to clear this group for your 2012 propaganda
run. Remember how each and every Progressive here answered Tim's call
for civility with a defined, NO, NO, NO!?

Here is your story.
Democrats, being thugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Oh, did you notice Tim doesn't post here anymore?
The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.
The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too.
I think you should move to Yemen immediately. I'm sure they'd welcome
your dislike of gov't.
Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

On 18/02/2011 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:

On 2/18/2011 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 9:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:01 am, need wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...



On 2/18/11 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
The Obamanations are not interested in democracy as shown by what is
happening in Wisconsin. When the other side wins the election, they
engage in an illegal walkout to prevent legislation. Remember "Card
Check" where they tried to deny people the right to vote on
unionization? They have no interest in Democracy, they are interested
in raw power.
Winning the election was not good enough because they do not recognize
who won. When that happens, the next step is..................
...right-wing racist-birthers like you move to another country?
Yes, we know you are trying to clear this group for your 2012 propaganda
run. Remember how each and every Progressive here answered Tim's call
for civility with a defined, NO, NO, NO!?

Here is your story.
Democrats, being thugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Oh, did you notice Tim doesn't post here anymore?
The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.
The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too.
I think you should move to Yemen immediately. I'm sure they'd welcome
your dislike of gov't.
Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

Where do I start....

- eliminate bailouts
- eliminate money for nothing programs
- 1/2 of military spending, chop (troops come home)
- wage roll back for all DC civis earning over $50k/year
- except for Social Security/Disability/Vets, the social programs get
hacked, no more "free" housing and kickbacks.
- want education spending, show results or try something different
- work towards outlawing government debt expansion
- SEC, start throwing corrupt into jail and confiscating their assets
(RICO). He Wagoner, bank CEOs watch this one.
- foreign aid, eliminated, US taxpayers should not be funding other
countries debts and dysfunction.

Did you know 74% of Whitehouse staff got a 9% raise last year? Piggies
are having a feast while others suffer.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:09:38 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:31:39 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:


Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

Where do I start....

- eliminate bailouts
- eliminate money for nothing programs
- 1/2 of military spending, chop (troops come home)
- wage roll back for all DC civis earning over $50k/year
- except for Social Security/Disability/Vets, the social programs get
hacked, no more "free" housing and kickbacks.
- want education spending, show results or try something different
- work towards outlawing government debt expansion
- SEC, start throwing corrupt into jail and confiscating their assets
(RICO). He Wagoner, bank CEOs watch this one.
- foreign aid, eliminated, US taxpayers should not be funding other
countries debts and dysfunction.

Did you know 74% of Whitehouse staff got a 9% raise last year? Piggies
are having a feast while others suffer.

Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.
Untrue and misleading. Is that right Jessica?

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:04:02 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:09:38 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:31:39 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:


Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

Where do I start....

- eliminate bailouts
- eliminate money for nothing programs
- 1/2 of military spending, chop (troops come home)
- wage roll back for all DC civis earning over $50k/year
- except for Social Security/Disability/Vets, the social programs get
hacked, no more "free" housing and kickbacks.
- want education spending, show results or try something different
- work towards outlawing government debt expansion
- SEC, start throwing corrupt into jail and confiscating their assets
(RICO). He Wagoner, bank CEOs watch this one.
- foreign aid, eliminated, US taxpayers should not be funding other
countries debts and dysfunction.

Did you know 74% of Whitehouse staff got a 9% raise last year? Piggies
are having a feast while others suffer.

Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

The 2% reduction "employee contribution" is the first step.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html

On 20/02/2011 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html

Social Security reform is about ripping people off that paid far too
much into it. Hey, they got your money now they don't want to pay good
on the promise. DC is welshing in the people, their own people.

Hey, it should be eliminated. But the tax and employers part should be
contributed to an account in the employees name, in the employees
account and under their control, and not able to withdraw until 60 or
so. And withdrawals need to be controlled as not to blow it on drugs
and the like.

This way government skimming and bamboozling can't diminish its value.

Pooling money schemes, be they government SS or defined plans, they are
garbage plans designed to hide the skimming and slight.

In an ideal world, the idea of government pension is a good one. But
the real world, such pooled plans always get the political corruption to
rip people off as money like that attracts liberal leaches and political
parasites bad.

In your name, in your account and in your control. That is where you
want your pension and retirement. Keeps it away from the greedy liberal
spenders.
--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:53:21 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html

Social Security reform is about ripping people off that paid far too
much into it. Hey, they got your money now they don't want to pay good
on the promise. DC is welshing in the people, their own people.

Hey, it should be eliminated. But the tax and employers part should be
contributed to an account in the employees name, in the employees
account and under their control, and not able to withdraw until 60 or
so. And withdrawals need to be controlled as not to blow it on drugs
and the like.

This way government skimming and bamboozling can't diminish its value.

Pooling money schemes, be they government SS or defined plans, they are
garbage plans designed to hide the skimming and slight.

In an ideal world, the idea of government pension is a good one. But
the real world, such pooled plans always get the political corruption to
rip people off as money like that attracts liberal leaches and political
parasites bad.

In your name, in your account and in your control. That is where you
want your pension and retirement. Keeps it away from the greedy liberal
spenders.

You're brainless.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:37:13 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html


That chart in link 2 assumes an unrealistic rise in GDP and the idea
that the salaries of the people paying in will rise that fast too.
Talk to Bob about how that has been going. The problem is demographic
and you don't have a chart to dispute that.

No matter what chart or what fact I show you, you're not going to
change your mind. So, what's the point?