Winning elections is not good enough
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:52:35 -0700,
wrote:


On 18/02/2011 7:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:



Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

and how's wall street doing after sucking 10 trillion out of the
economy in the last 3 years? we back at full employment?

You still do not get it do you?

Government, big governmetn including Obama are not the solution, they
ARE the problem.

no, that reagan cliche is dead. especially since reagan RAISED taxes
to try and balance the budget

if the GOVT was the problem, we wouldnt have had wall street suck 10
TRILLION out of the economy

OTHER countries with MORE regulation did NOT suffer as we did

you right wingers simply have no EVIDENCE for your views. none. you
have MYTH, FAIRY TALES and stories

but no EVIDENCE. that's why liberals are smarter; we rely on evidence

The more government gets, the less the people get.

really? and how we doing in the last 3 years after the MASSIVE
DEREGULATION of wall street? we doing OK?


US Government is BROKE. Bankrupt.

gee. wall street just caused a meltdown of the economy. put millions
out of work

and you blame it on the GOVT

HAHAHAHA


Few know, UK tried this once. They devalued their currency by 30%
overnight because of DEBT. Took them over a decade to recover.

what we NEED to do is REGULATE wall street and re-establish the
credibility of markets

but the right wont go for it. it's better to let the middle class keep
bailing out the rich.

That "wall street" cliche is dead. Proper capitalization is not, blind man.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On 22/02/2011 5:27 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:15:28 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2011 1:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:41:22 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:14:37 -0500, wrote:


they'll work and get paid

Work doing what?
There is not a lot of work to do in Egypt, nor much money to pay for

and now that they dont have to pay bribes to the govt to have a job,
the market system can take over.

we havent learned that in the US. here we have crony capitalism where
the middle class has no protection against the raw forces of crony
capitalism

Where did you think all the Obama bailout spending went?

more blame it on the black guy

when cheney met behind closed doors with exxon, the right thought this
was great.

obama gets us universal healthcare and the right thinks he's a commie
muslim atheist islamist jihadist

Actually, up until 12 years old or so he was raised as a Maxist Muslim.
Not a commie. Not ever sure I heard anyone knowledgeable call him an
atheist, he knows how to bow to Islam religious leaders and do the
masonic handshake. Islamicist, funny how he didn't see the connection
of building a Mosque on the ground where 9/11 body ashes fell. Not very
christian if you ask me. But he only became a christian of convenience
at 27 years old.

For jihadist, just look at the US economy an dfiscal debt of the US
Federal government. Financial suicide to try to debt-spend your way out
of a debt problem. Never has worked, never will. Or do you think that
was deliberate?

Because Obama could be just plain stupid, or did he deliberately debt
spiral the US into economic suicide?

It didn't go
to the middle class people. So if you think the middle class should not
bailout the rich, how come you vote Obama?

we dont have a choice about bailing out the rich

we DO have a choice about preventing the NEXT TIME. it's called 'moral
hazard theory'

and the right is doing EVERYTHING to make sure we h ave to bail out
the rich AGAIN

Funny. Bush and Obama followed their hidden masters well. Bailout the
select insider billionaires. Mostly Arabs, Muslim Arabs. Bin Laden had
lots of deposits with Carlyle group, Bush Sr was there at one time too.
Carlyle had big interests in GM, which was going under. Big
beneficiaries of the GM bailout.

Yep, the flow of corruption didn't even change course much with Bush to
Obama didn't it? Now maybe you know why big money and big media came
through for Obama at the last minite. Hilary didn't have what it took
to take on McCain so money made Obama the man.

Corrupt money that is. Hey, elections are bought and paid for.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On 22/02/2011 5:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:18:33 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2011 2:08 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:47:58 -0500, wrote:



how about last year, when teh dems started talking RE regulating wall
street?

THEN WS started to shovel money to the GOP:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wall-...ry?id=11359466

Face it, corrupt debtors, corrupt corporation and delinquent debtors
like GM all love democrats, they are so willing to screw the taxpayer
for bailouts and corruption.


which, i suppose, is why the GOP cut the capital gains tax on the rich

and threw the economy into recession

For what difference it will make? Come now. You would have a better
chance saving the Titanic with bubble gum.

Government has to slash at least 50% of its gross spending at a minimum,
and that may not be enough.

You voted for Obama, not me. I don't believe in bailouts. Bailouts
using the tax system is pure corruption. If Chavez does the same thing,
media would say corruption third world. In America we call it bailouts.

hey henry paulson..bush's treasury secretary...was the architect of
the bailouts. it was the GOP's idea. not the dems

So, but he didn't make his marching orders.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:14:53 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:30:31 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:54 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:07:27 -0800, wrote:

I think you're very afraid.

Yes I am.
I can't help it if you think nothing can happen to us because we are
the USA but history shows us, all empires fall. It usually happens
when the government can't pay it's bills.

I've never said that. In fact, I've said repeatedly that we need to
get our house in order. Let's start with the House and the rich to
whom they cater.

The senate is the traditional rich man's club.

Yet at the moment, it's the House that's acting loony.


I agree, they are not doing anything significant either. They are
saving millions in a trillion dollar problem.

Bear in mind if we didn't have a loony house in the 90s Clinton would
have never had a balanced budget. Budgets come from the house. That
200 pound fairy tale the president submits has no real meaning at all.
They have no obligation to even read it.

Certainly true about the Presidential budget... it's a wish list at
best.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:58:05 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:16:17 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:09:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:26:36 -0800, wrote:

Yes, there's a limit. There's no indication that those who buy it are
going to stop any time soon.

So you think we should wait until they do stop buying our debt before
we act?
That is a hell of a game of chicken you want to play with the full
faith and credit of the US.

Never said that, as you know.


You just did.
You are not going to believe there is a problem until you see it
happening. By then it will be too late.

Please show me where I said the long term problem doesn't exist and/or
doesn't need to be addressed.

You just think everything is "long term" AKA someone elses problem.
It is here right now.

Everything? Really? Typically, when someone says everything, always,
and similar, that's a clue that the argument is full of holes.

The time to fix this was 30 years ago. We may already be past the
tipping point.

Fear-based nonsense.

The real problem is the entitlements and we will never go after people
who are retired or within 10-15 years of retirement. That means most
of the boomer problem is still coming and there is nothing we can do
about it.,

Maybe the Republicans should reinvent death panels ala Arizona style.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:18:52 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/02/2011 5:27 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:15:28 -0700,
wrote:

Where did you think all the Obama bailout spending went?

more blame it on the black guy

when cheney met behind closed doors with exxon, the right thought this
was great.

obama gets us universal healthcare and the right thinks he's a commie
muslim atheist islamist jihadist

Actually, up until 12 years old or so he was raised as a Maxist Muslim.

HAHAHAH a 12 year old marxist THAT'S a laugh!!

and a MARXIST MUSLIM???

uh now remind me...who were the TALIBAN fighting in afghanistan

oh, yeah. the marxist soviets...


For jihadist, just look at the US economy an dfiscal debt of the US
Federal government. Financial suicide to try to debt-spend your way out
of a debt problem. Never has worked, never will. Or do you think that
was deliberate?

financial suicide started by george bush who ran up a 1.2 TRILLION
debt

but he's white...


Funny. Bush and Obama followed their hidden masters well. Bailout the
select insider billionaires. Mostly Arabs, Muslim Arabs. Bin Laden had
lots of deposits with Carlyle group, Bush Sr was there at one time too.
Carlyle had big interests in GM, which was going under. Big
beneficiaries of the GM bailout.

yep and the US people keep voting in right wing idiots who deregulate
EVERYTHING so let all the arabs and other enemies buy our elections
just like the right wing said was OK with the 'citizens united' SCOTUS
decision

that the LIBERAL justices opposed

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:22:08 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/02/2011 5:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:18:33 -0700,
wrote:


which, i suppose, is why the GOP cut the capital gains tax on the rich

and threw the economy into recession

For what difference it will make? Come now. You would have a better
chance saving the Titanic with bubble gum.

Government has to slash at least 50% of its gross spending at a minimum,
and that may not be enough.

or they could restore the bush tax cuts...taht would elminate AOT of
the deficit since those cuts are the single largest component of the
deficit

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:24:24 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:14:21 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

or they could restore the bush tax cuts...taht would elminate AOT of
the deficit since those cuts are the single largest component of the
deficit


I agree they should have let ALL of the tax cuts expire but don't
expect that to do much for the deficit.
It was only supposed to be $700 Billion over 10 years for the $250K
and above people.
If you let all of the cuts expire it was $3.7 Trillion over 10 years.
That is still only about a third of the deficit.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/15/news...faqs/index.htm

agreed. we need spending cuts, in defense and medicare, AND tax
increases. unfortunately.

wall street's done us no favors regardless of what the right thinks

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:17:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:11:34 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:58:05 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:16:17 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:09:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:26:36 -0800, wrote:

Yes, there's a limit. There's no indication that those who buy it are
going to stop any time soon.

So you think we should wait until they do stop buying our debt before
we act?
That is a hell of a game of chicken you want to play with the full
faith and credit of the US.

Never said that, as you know.


You just did.
You are not going to believe there is a problem until you see it
happening. By then it will be too late.

Please show me where I said the long term problem doesn't exist and/or
doesn't need to be addressed.

You just think everything is "long term" AKA someone elses problem.
It is here right now.

Everything? Really? Typically, when someone says everything, always,
and similar, that's a clue that the argument is full of holes.

It has ben your answer to everything in this thread.

That's not accurate either.


The time to fix this was 30 years ago. We may already be past the
tipping point.

Fear-based nonsense.

Keep telling yourself that if it gets you through the night.

Umm... fear-based action is what "gets" you though the night. Rational
people are not quaking under the blanket.


The real problem is the entitlements and we will never go after people
who are retired or within 10-15 years of retirement. That means most
of the boomer problem is still coming and there is nothing we can do
about it.,

Maybe the Republicans should reinvent death panels ala Arizona style.

Don't be shocked when that happens. It will come in the guise of the
Canadian waiting list.
Medicare does spend most of it's money on people in their last 6
months of life and the estimate is it really only buys a month or so.

Well, perhaps if the Republicans stopped their nonsense about the
false death panels, people would have a greater ability to consult
with their doctor and thus prevent some of the unnecessary care, but
when you have politicians playing on fear, e.g., pull the plug on
grandma, then you certainly are not helping the situation.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:24:24 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:14:21 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

or they could restore the bush tax cuts...taht would elminate AOT of
the deficit since those cuts are the single largest component of the
deficit


I agree they should have let ALL of the tax cuts expire but don't
expect that to do much for the deficit.
It was only supposed to be $700 Billion over 10 years for the $250K
and above people.
If you let all of the cuts expire it was $3.7 Trillion over 10 years.
That is still only about a third of the deficit.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/15/news...faqs/index.htm

They should not "all" expire. That hurts the middle and lower class
much more for no great benefit.