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Winning elections is not good enough
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Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:58:03 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:34:45 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:51:06 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:28:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: "I_am_Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:11:11 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash, you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about insurance. Listen up.. No matter how many times you say it, it isn't true, at least not here in CT. Might be in Kaliforna, but only to accommodate illegals and derelicts... But not in CT. Every car sale is recorded, cash or otherwise, the Tax man wouldn't have it any other way. As I suspected, California has online linkage between DMV and the insurance company and a cop can check your insurance from his car.+ Five years ago. http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/insurance_suspension.htm Here are some things you need to know about recent vehicle liability insurance changes: * As of January 1, 2006, all insurance companies are required to report insurance status information to DMV for all private use vehicles (CVC §16058). * As of July 1, 2006, law enforcement and court personnel have access to DMV records to verify that your California registered vehicle is currently insured (CVC §16058.1). * Effective October 1, 2006, your vehicle registration is subject to suspension if the liability insurance is canceled, OR if your insurance company has not electronically provided evidence of insurance when you purchase and register your vehicle, OR if you provide DMV with false insurance information (CVC §4000.38). That's a lot of homework for the Plum. I think as soon as she noted the "cash" thing, we all knew she was talking out of her ass... again. In CT like you said in Fla, when someone drops insurance, the authorities are notified right away. Reply: Buying a car for cash from a private party you do not have to show insurance. And the lack of insurance takes a while to kick in. I sold my 96 s10 and the person failed to register the car in a timely manner. We file a document with the DMV when you sell a car that removes you from the liability for the car. I got a letter months later about expired insurance. But that is more a problem with the DMV and their crappy records system. The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. The people who had this happen to them at my wife's place were just driving back and forth to work too. This is just stupid. Call the cops, tell them your insurance expired and you still have to drive to work a few days until you can get it reinstated. Use your cutest girl voice. Tell us what they say. I bet the words "arrest" and "Impound your car" come up. That's just dumb. Come on. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:53:34 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:31:33 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:56:51 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:11:11 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash, you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about insurance. Listen up.. No matter how many times you say it, it isn't true, at least not here in CT. Might be in Kaliforna, but only to accommodate illegals and derelicts... But not in CT. Every car sale is recorded, cash or otherwise, the Tax man wouldn't have it any other way. As I suspected, California has online linkage between DMV and the insurance company and a cop can check your insurance from his car.+ Five years ago. http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/insurance_suspension.htm Here are some things you need to know about recent vehicle liability insurance changes: * As of January 1, 2006, all insurance companies are required to report insurance status information to DMV for all private use vehicles (CVC §16058). * As of July 1, 2006, law enforcement and court personnel have access to DMV records to verify that your California registered vehicle is currently insured (CVC §16058.1). * Effective October 1, 2006, your vehicle registration is subject to suspension if the liability insurance is canceled, OR if your insurance company has not electronically provided evidence of insurance when you purchase and register your vehicle, OR if you provide DMV with false insurance information (CVC §4000.38). And, that covers new cars or cars bought through a dealer. How many illegals do that? Most buy cars 2nd hand from private parties. The words "new car" and "dealer" do not exist in that quote. Why don't you look up the statute yourself counselor? Sure... they *can* look it up. Most are going somewhere for more important things. I bet those kids and Mexicans there would disagree. I don't see anything in there about arrest or towing if that's the only problem. Of course, if you'd like the cops to check their immigration status, move to AZ. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:04:15 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:38:02 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:39:53 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:03:39 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:00:43 -0500, wrote: He will if he wants tags and in florida your current insurance coverage comes up when a cop runs your tag. If you cancel, it shows up in real time, pretty much as soon as the agent types it into his computer. This is the 21st century and computers are connected. We are even testing a camera the cops will have on their car that independently scans tags and checks everyone it sees against the database for wants, warrants, insurance, stolen etc and alerts the cop right then. A cop could be parked on the side of the road asleep and he would be woken up if an uninsured car drove by. Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash, you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about insurance. The salesman isn't but that green eyeshade guy in the closing office will if he values his license. Have you ever bought a car for cash? I do it every time. They can not issue you that paper tag or transfer your tag without proof of insurance I suppose you could buy a car and take it out on a trailer but if you are driving it you need a tag and you can't get a tag without insurance You're right about actual, legal used car lots. I doubt most illegals do that, however. They still need to buy real tags. Maybe someday when they get around to it. I am really starting to think you don't drive. I'm really starting to think you'd prefer to be insulting and can just barely contain yourself. It is clear you never registered a car. It's clear that you can't argue with someone who actually has facts to support herself. All of a sudden you think technology is going to just kick in and solve all the problems? Come on. It is sure chipping away at the problem. I am sure there are uninsured drivers but they get caught often enough to be a deterrent and the technology is making that a lot easier. A Mexican in a junker probably gets his tag run a couple times a day. Racist? Profiling? maybe but cops go where the likely arrests are. BS. The cops have better things to do. If that was true they wouldn't sit in the bushes with RADAR guns. I didn't realize that RADAR susses out lack of insurance! I think you should alert CNN. Uninsured motorists are a political thing. Everyone from the AAA to the insurance companies want it to stop along with anyone who was hit by an uninsured motorist or just pays more for their insurance than the should because a few people don't pay. Political? I thought it was safety/financial. Is this a Republican talking point that I missed? BTW this is why I have been saying for years, insurance companies should be titling cars and issuing tags. They are the ones with the skin in the game and the databases the cops use anyway. The whole thing could be rolled up into one national database and eliminate 51 state (remember DC) operations that are not that good about talking to each other National db? Perhaps administered by insurance companies? Or, by the gov't??? Sounds like a police state to me... Insurance companies already maintain a national database. That was my point. The insurance company database is a whole lot more accurate than the police database unless the police link to the insurance companies, which they do in Florida. Why do we need the police anyway? Why not just hire the insurance companies to do it all? Sheesh.. We still need the cops to enforce the law. I am talking about the insurance companies doing the bookkeeping since they already do most of it anyway. Why? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:38:03 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? You mentioned foreign aid, so you're the one who's trying to change the subject. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:51:21 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:27:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:42:05 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:25:11 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:17:16 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:57:30 -0800, wrote: So, how are you going to "redirect" all these "low-paid" troops into homeland jobs without displacing those low-paid construction jobs? By starting new projects. Ok. So, you have no objection to projects sponsored and paid for by the gov't! Sounds like the heavy hand of gov't to me. I have no objection your honor! \\ Good deal I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. Good grief! You know that little about economics and/or how the military works? You can't just decide one day to close bases and then everyone leaves. Now you are worried about the Germans? I'm thoughtful about how we as a nation are perceived and our effect on the rest of the world. You aren't I guess. I imagine there are plenty of Germans who wish we would go but even if they didn't we are not the world's p[olicemen. If they want us there, pay us to be there. There are plenty more who appreciate us spending our money there. I think we need to stay engaged there, but we don't need lots and lots of bases. There are a few that should probably remain. We could close foreign bases pretty fast if we wanted to and it is not our job to replace the hole in the German economy. There are a few people here saying the locals don't get that much money from our bases anyway. Sure thing! I guess that was the same sort of decision that was made post WW1. That worked out pretty well, didn't it. False equivalency again. Really? Well, you just got done saying you don't care about the German economy. That's what we said after WW1. Do you really think the best way to help the German economy is to occupy them? No. I think the best thing for the US to do is to carefully reduce our presence there without damaging their economy. Yet we keep kicking that can down the road too. Yes. So? You're so skeptical that we can't reform our tax code, but you have no problem believing we can get out of all our commitments (treaty and otherwise) in 180 days. There was nothing in common with the surrender of a largely intact Germany at the end of WWI, left to it;s own devices and their total destruction in WWII. We have occupied them for 66 years. When will we decide they are OK? As I said, I have no objection to closing most of the bases. It just doesn't need to devastate our or their economy to do that. Again, we're looking for a long-term solution not a short-term reactionary policy. We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ I guess that all comes down to what is included in the defense budget doesn't it? It is usually democrats accusing republicans of understating what the real cost of defense is. Interesting where you will go to disagree with me. Nothing to disagree with... sorry. Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. Nukes are probably the most cost effective weapons system we have if you are looking about a deterrent from another super power. Which super power would that be? China? I don't think they're interested. I agree we have more than we need. The problem is disposing of them is more expensive than storing them. Most are technically "disarmed" though from what we are told. The triggers are not with the booster. Disarmed? Huh? If it's so expensive, and we've already disarmed them, why are we spending billions on them? That is still not where most of the money goes. It goes into "jobs" building hardware we don't need that are scattered across 435 congressional districts. And, your solution is.... I know! I know! Don't vote for the treaty! |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Feb 28, 8:21*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? *The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. Seeing you were born to make ridiculous and inane arguments, do you really care for his well-thought response? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Feb 28, 8:27*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:42:05 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:25:11 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:17:16 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:57:30 -0800, wrote: So, how are you going to "redirect" all these "low-paid" troops into homeland jobs without displacing those low-paid construction jobs? By starting new projects. Ok. So, you have no objection to projects sponsored and paid for by the gov't! Sounds like the heavy hand of gov't to me. I have no objection your honor! \\ Good deal I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? *The Soviets are gone. Good grief! You know that little about economics and/or how the military works? You can't just decide one day to close bases and then everyone leaves. Now you are worried about the Germans? I'm thoughtful about how we as a nation are perceived and our effect on the rest of the world. You aren't I guess. I imagine there are plenty of Germans who wish we would go but even if they didn't we are not the world's p[olicemen. If they want us there, pay us to be there. There are plenty more who appreciate us spending our money there. I think we need to stay engaged there, but we don't need lots and lots of bases. There are a few that should probably remain. We could close foreign bases pretty fast if we wanted to and it is not our job to replace the hole in the German economy. There are a few people here saying the locals don't get that much money from our bases anyway. Sure thing! I guess that was the same sort of decision that was made post WW1. That worked out pretty well, didn't it. False equivalency again. Really? Well, you just got done saying you don't care about the German economy. That's what we said after WW1. Do you really think the best way to help the German economy is to occupy them? No. I think the best thing for the US to do is to carefully reduce our presence there without damaging their economy. There was nothing in common with the surrender of a largely intact Germany at the end of WWI, left to it;s own devices *and their total destruction in WWII. We have occupied them for 66 years. When will we decide they are OK? As I said, I have no objection to closing most of the bases. It just doesn't need to devastate our or their economy to do that. Again, we're looking for a long-term solution not a short-term reactionary policy. We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Feb 28, 8:34*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. *Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. * Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. Sure... ok, we'll just hang around until they get that working... I think D'Plume pretty much summed up who she is with her one line response. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Feb 28, 9:38*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? *The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? Her only defence. But from her, this should only be expected. |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article 2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194
@u14g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On 3/1/11 7:37 AM, BAR wrote:
In article2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194 @u14g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. We should begin cutting military spending by 10% each fiscal year until we are at half the level we are at today, and then see what further cuts can be made. |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/1/11 7:37 AM, BAR wrote: In article2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194 @u14g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. We should begin cutting military spending by 10% each fiscal year until we are at half the level we are at today, and then see what further cuts can be made. Agreed, let's start with bases and programs in Democrat districts. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On 3/1/11 7:53 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleALydneo28cfPd_HQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/1/11 7:37 AM, BAR wrote: In article2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194 @u14g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. We should begin cutting military spending by 10% each fiscal year until we are at half the level we are at today, and then see what further cuts can be made. Agreed, let's start with bases and programs in Democrat districts. Well, of course; if you started in the red states, "them thar good ol' boys" would have to go back to stoking up the wood fires and cleaning out the copper kettles and coils. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:38:03 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? WADF... Anyway, it looks like we've got about 7 battalions worth of tanks over there now, if the cavalry regiment is using tanks. They're probably the most expensive thing over there that can't fly or float. That's a bunch of tanks, but we'd not have to pay to ship them home. Or, they could be put in storage for an eventuality in which we might need them over there. Her comment, as are most of them, was simply inane. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mar 1, 2:55*am, TopBassDog wrote:
On Feb 28, 8:21*pm, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? *The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. Seeing you were born to make ridiculous and inane arguments, do you really care for his well-thought response? i would yell for more popcorn, but I gotta get to work! rec.boats at it's finest or worst. Ya'll call the shots. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article ,
says... On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars. BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks who owe parking tickets and such. |
Winning elections is not good enough
Obie's a day late and a dollar short......AGAIN.
Sounds like Obie's name is at the bottom of the current affairs reading distribution list. Your favorite source scroll down to "Africa" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda "The percentage of terrorist attacks in the West originating from the Afghanistan-Pakistan (AfPak) border declined considerably from almost 100% to 75% in 2007, and to 50% in 2010, as Al-Qaeda shifted to Somalia and Yemen." |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:16:58 -0500, John H
wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:38:03 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? WADF... Anyway, it looks like we've got about 7 battalions worth of tanks over there now, if the cavalry regiment is using tanks. They're probably the most expensive thing over there that can't fly or float. That's a bunch of tanks, but we'd not have to pay to ship them home. Or, they could be put in storage for an eventuality in which we might need them over there. Her comment, as are most of them, was simply inane. I take that as a compliment, given you're a mindless fool and a known liar. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 05:24:11 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Mar 1, 2:55*am, TopBassDog wrote: On Feb 28, 8:21*pm, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? *The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. Seeing you were born to make ridiculous and inane arguments, do you really care for his well-thought response? i would yell for more popcorn, but I gotta get to work! rec.boats at it's finest or worst. Ya'll call the shots. Thanks for no contribution whatsoever. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 07:37:28 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article 2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194 , says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. Because you'd prefer to see Republicans gut this country, right? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 07:53:55 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , payer3389 says... On 3/1/11 7:37 AM, BAR wrote: In article2b0a179d-224d-4b6c-bac0-0304437a7194 @u14g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget. You have to cut something. Let's start with getting the facts right... http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/ Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. "oh wait?" D'Plume? Still having problems with dementia? Let's take d'Plume's $800 billion number and start closing bases in Democrat districts and canceling defense contracts in Democrat districts. If reducing the defense budget is what is needed and Obama says we all need to share the pain, then the Democrats should be ready to set the example. We should begin cutting military spending by 10% each fiscal year until we are at half the level we are at today, and then see what further cuts can be made. Agreed, let's start with bases and programs in Democrat districts. How about we start with cutting your benefits.... |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H
wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! So, I guess, being as stupid as you are, you think a stolen car has something to do with lack of insurance. Maybe you should search the article for the word "insurance" and get back to us with the result. |
Winning elections is not good enough
i would yell for more popcorn, but I gotta get to work! rec.boats at it's finest or worst. Ya'll call the shots. Thanks for no contribution whatsoever. Leave poor Tim alone, bitch. |
Winning elections is not good enough
I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! So, I guess, being as stupid as you are, you think a stolen car has something to do with lack of insurance. Maybe you should search the article for the word "insurance" and get back to us with the result. This whole conversation seems to be lost on you. Otherwise you wouldn't be making these idiotic, off the wall comments. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases I've been pushing to have chips implanted in the necks of babies as they're born, similar to those implanted in dogs and cats. Then we wouldn't need all these damn cameras. Chips are cheap. They could even be programmed so that medical procedures could be tracked. Once a set amount is spent on healthcare, they explode. Wouldn't need Obama's death panels then either. :) |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article ,
says... On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases We used to have a box we attached to the front fork of the motorcycle, and it was capable of .001 second timing for laps and finishes. Now they just peel a little sticker off of a sheet and you stick it on your helmet visor. I has a bit of circuitry in it and a bar code, but it's as thin as any other sticker and is about 3/4 inch, by 2 inches long. It too gives a reading down to .001. They are read by a small box suspended above the track... |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article ,
says... They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That same technology is being used by repo men in densely populated areas. They run through parking lots at malls and sports arenas and get a hit on a vehicle up for repo and then the automatically get a work order from the finance company to repo the vehicle. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/au...pagewanted=all |
Winning elections is not good enough
In article ,
says... On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:39:08 -0800, wrote: BTW this is why I have been saying for years, insurance companies should be titling cars and issuing tags. They are the ones with the skin in the game and the databases the cops use anyway. The whole thing could be rolled up into one national database and eliminate 51 state (remember DC) operations that are not that good about talking to each other National db? Perhaps administered by insurance companies? Or, by the gov't??? Sounds like a police state to me... Insurance companies already maintain a national database. That was my point. The insurance company database is a whole lot more accurate than the police database unless the police link to the insurance companies, which they do in Florida. Why do we need the police anyway? Why not just hire the insurance companies to do it all? Sheesh.. We still need the cops to enforce the law. I am talking about the insurance companies doing the bookkeeping since they already do most of it anyway. Why? A better job for less money. Keeping 51 separate databases that do not talk to each other is just stupid. It is called a massive waste of money. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:40:19 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:47:52 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:38:03 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? You mentioned foreign aid, so you're the one who's trying to change the subject. No I just explained the bookkeeping they would use for donating the equipment they left on the ground in Germany So the "bookkeeping" isn't actually foreign aid? Ok, why did you mention it then? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:47:16 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:51:32 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:51:21 -0500, wrote: Sure thing! I guess that was the same sort of decision that was made post WW1. That worked out pretty well, didn't it. False equivalency again. Really? Well, you just got done saying you don't care about the German economy. That's what we said after WW1. Do you really think the best way to help the German economy is to occupy them? No. I think the best thing for the US to do is to carefully reduce our presence there without damaging their economy. Yet we keep kicking that can down the road too. Yes. So? You're so skeptical that we can't reform our tax code, but you have no problem believing we can get out of all our commitments (treaty and otherwise) in 180 days. I am skeptical that we would do either but I know we could and should. Yet you're promoting one vs. the other. I don't see any justification for that. Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. Nukes are probably the most cost effective weapons system we have if you are looking about a deterrent from another super power. Which super power would that be? China? I don't think they're interested. Why is China building a stealth fighter? Why do they still have a bunch of nukes themselves and the missiles to get them here? Do you think that's going to help them collect on the debt we owe them? Seems kinda dumb to me. I agree we have more than we need. The problem is disposing of them is more expensive than storing them. Most are technically "disarmed" though from what we are told. The triggers are not with the booster. Disarmed? Huh? If it's so expensive, and we've already disarmed them, why are we spending billions on them? "Billions is not a lot in the DoD budget." Yeah, I guess $50+ billion isn't that much... That is still not where most of the money goes. It goes into "jobs" building hardware we don't need that are scattered across 435 congressional districts. And, your solution is.... I told you before, transfer the money and the jobs to infrastructure improvements. I know! I know! Don't vote for the treaty! I am in favor of drawing down the nukes. A few hundred is a credible deterrent. I just don't expect it to save much money. Look it up. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:17:15 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:33:53 -0800, wrote: "Auto insurance is mandatory and driving without the proper documentation can lead to significant fines or even suspension of your license." Since we talked last, my wife had another incident at work (a server's car is stranded in the community until he gets insurance) and she asked her deputy. He says the policy is based on the idea that driving without insurance is illegal and letting a person driving away from you when you know they are uninsured could make the county liable if there was an accident, in addition to ignoring an ongoing illegal activity. Stranded? How's that? What if the payment was sent, but there's a screw up with the insurance company (that never happens, right?). You really believe the car is going to get towed? Doesn't sound like her worker's car got towed either. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:29:12 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:45 -0800, wrote: They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. Sure... ok, we'll just hang around until they get that working... The camera system works great, they are just testing the public perception. It will probably come down to cost. On the plus side, the majority of felony arrests come from traffic stops in one way or another. The cop has a huge advantage as soon as you get in your car particularly if they can find an excuse to tow the car. Driving is not a right it is a privilege (or so they say) and you sign away most of your rights as soon as you get in a car. (certainly amendment 4, 5, 6 &7) Not for checking insurance it doesn't. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:00:01 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:33:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars. BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks who owe parking tickets and such. To make Plume happy I am sure they will also use it to catch child support deadbeats. If you pop on that in a traffic stop you are going away too in Florida. (for the legal eagles, it is an open contempt of court warrant) Which has nothing to do with being stopped BECAUSE your insurance may or may not be out of date. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:02:36 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:18:29 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! So, I guess, being as stupid as you are, you think a stolen car has something to do with lack of insurance. Maybe you should search the article for the word "insurance" and get back to us with the result. They search the database and respond to any hit. That was a puff piece, trying to minimize everything that this system will do. Look... cops are not driving around aiming cameras at cars to figure out if the owners have insurance. That's just nonsense. It might come up during a stop, probably would, but that's a long way from what you're proposing. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases I'm betting that most righties would be fine with it until they figure out it applies to them, as well as Hispanics. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:28:27 -0500, John H
wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases I've been pushing to have chips implanted in the necks of babies as they're born, similar to those implanted in dogs and cats. Then we wouldn't need all these damn cameras. Chips are cheap. They could even be programmed so that medical procedures could be tracked. Once a set amount is spent on healthcare, they explode. Wouldn't need Obama's death panels then either. :) Maybe we could weed out people like you quicker. I'm all for it. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:00:42 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That same technology is being used by repo men in densely populated areas. They run through parking lots at malls and sports arenas and get a hit on a vehicle up for repo and then the automatically get a work order from the finance company to repo the vehicle. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/au...pagewanted=all Which has nothing to do with an out of date insurance issue. |
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