Hi all my first post

I don't know if this should go in Boat Building........... But hay Hoo


I am a reluctant kayak fisherman. Why reluctant, well I wonted a boat but had no where to keep it. I can keep two kayaks without any problems. I have a P13 and a Big Game. But paddling, dam thats hard work. Even when the weather wont let you go out for a few weeks, it's down the Jym to keep up your paddle fitness. Well, it should be but every time I get the erg, I tend to sit down until the feeling passes.

How all this began, I was on a kayaking fishing forum and was told that the Big game was a slow old tug of a kayak. I answered this with, wait till I put my twin Volvo's on meant to be a light hearted jest. This was answered by one of the forums leading lights, making threats and telling me that I will not even think of adding an out board to my kayak. It was as though I had threatened his man hood, with that a few more came in and it got nasty. That is when I thought WHY not and so I got started.

So I fitted a 2.5 Yam 4 stroke out board to my Big Game. I also fitted outrigger for stability and to help carry the weight (15 Kg) of the out board. This also helps me get back to the out board for starting/refueling and so on. The steering is by cable to foot peddles and after a few changes, works well.

I am alway looking of ways to improve, the design and I am looking at the floats of the outriggers. They were never design for anything but stability, to sit on the water more like a kids arm bands.
I wont them to give me lift from about 3 knots on, to pick up my rear end and stop the out board digging in.
So I have been looking at the model boats world for floats, well hulls anyway. My thinking at the moment is a scale model 33 1/2" to long and 11" wide. I am now waiting for them to come from ebay. I will add some more layer to beef them up and make top deck so as to fit the outrigger arms. I want some movement but only a little, this may be controlled by springs or restricted movement a little up a little down to give independent movement. My grate friends Trial and Error will have to be my guide.


This is the first time I tried the yam 2.5 on the water. The video has been taken at an angle that makes the back look more down than it real is. It also shows how after a few knots the floats swing around and act more like sea anchors.
The other two are me testing the out riggers.

Looking through some of the designs on boat design gives me some hope.

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...KING_VIDEO.mp4


http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1435.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1436.mp4



.I am also looking at may be redesigning the whole kayak. Making up a mold from the kayak I have and making some changes to the hull in the mold.

Now that Ilan Voyager. Scaled down to 13' to 15'! Oops I am off again.

Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so.

But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

On Feb 9, 9:15*am, aikidojohn
wrote:
Hi all my first post

I don't know if this should go in Boat Building........... But hay Hoo

I am a reluctant kayak fisherman. Why reluctant, well I wonted a boat
but had no where to keep it. I can keep two kayaks without any problems.
I have a P13 and a Big Game. But paddling, dam thats hard work. Even
when the weather wont let you go out for a few weeks, it's down the Jym
to keep up your paddle fitness. Well, it should be but every time I get
the erg, I tend to sit down until the feeling passes.

How all this began, I was on a kayaking fishing forum and was told that
the Big game was a slow old tug of a kayak. I answered this with, wait
till I put my twin Volvo's on meant to be a light *hearted jest. This
was answered by one of the forums leading lights, making threats and
telling me that I will not even think of adding an out board to my
kayak. It was as though I had threatened his man hood, with that a few
more came in and it got nasty. That is when I thought WHY not and so I
got started.

So I fitted a 2.5 Yam 4 stroke out board to my Big Game. I also fitted
outrigger for stability and to help carry the weight (15 Kg) of the out
board. This also helps me get back to the out board for
starting/refueling and so on. The steering is by cable to foot peddles
and after a few changes, works well.

I am alway looking of ways to improve, the design and I am looking at
the floats of the outriggers. They were never design for anything but
stability, to sit on the water more like a kids arm bands.
I wont them to give me lift from about 3 knots on, to pick up my rear
end and stop the out board digging in.
So I have been looking at the model boats world for floats, well hulls
anyway. My thinking at the moment is a scale model 33 1/2" to long and
11" wide. I am now waiting for them to come from ebay. I will add some
more layer to beef them up and make top deck so as to fit the outrigger
arms. I want some movement but only a little, this may be controlled by
springs or restricted movement a little up a little down to give
independent movement. My grate friends Trial and Error will have to be
my guide.

This is the first time I tried the yam 2.5 on the water. The video has
been taken at an angle that makes the back look more down than it real
is. It also shows how after a few knots the floats swing around and act
more like sea anchors.
The other two are me testing the out riggers.

Looking through some of the designs on boat design gives me some hope.

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...KING_VIDEO.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1435.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1436.mp4

.I am also looking at may be redesigning the whole kayak. Making up a
mold from the kayak I have and making some changes to the hull in the
mold.

Now that Ilan Voyager. Scaled down to 13' to 15'! Oops I am off again.

Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so.

But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the
smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

--
aikidojohn

Hey !
Just look me up. I like to paddle up some brackish backwater with a
six-pack, and drink myself stupid. I now inherited my Dad, Inkys
house, and build boats all over the property. I don't finish them,
however, and my painting skills are sub par. Ever heard of Krylon? Its
great for sloppy paint jobs, but I usually end up huffing the tail end
of the can.

Scott Ingersoll
79 Brian Road
South Windsor, Connecticut

On Feb 9, 8:15*am, aikidojohn
wrote:
Hi all my first post

I don't know if this should go in Boat Building........... But hay Hoo

I am a reluctant kayak fisherman. Why reluctant, well I wonted a boat
but had no where to keep it. I can keep two kayaks without any problems.
I have a P13 and a Big Game. But paddling, dam thats hard work. Even
when the weather wont let you go out for a few weeks, it's down the Jym
to keep up your paddle fitness. Well, it should be but every time I get
the erg, I tend to sit down until the feeling passes.

How all this began, I was on a kayaking fishing forum and was told that
the Big game was a slow old tug of a kayak. I answered this with, wait
till I put my twin Volvo's on meant to be a light *hearted jest. This
was answered by one of the forums leading lights, making threats and
telling me that I will not even think of adding an out board to my
kayak. It was as though I had threatened his man hood, with that a few
more came in and it got nasty. That is when I thought WHY not and so I
got started.

So I fitted a 2.5 Yam 4 stroke out board to my Big Game. I also fitted
outrigger for stability and to help carry the weight (15 Kg) of the out
board. This also helps me get back to the out board for
starting/refueling and so on. The steering is by cable to foot peddles
and after a few changes, works well.

I am alway looking of ways to improve, the design and I am looking at
the floats of the outriggers. They were never design for anything but
stability, to sit on the water more like a kids arm bands.
I wont them to give me lift from about 3 knots on, to pick up my rear
end and stop the out board digging in.
So I have been looking at the model boats world for floats, well hulls
anyway. My thinking at the moment is a scale model 33 1/2" to long and
11" wide. I am now waiting for them to come from ebay. I will add some
more layer to beef them up and make top deck so as to fit the outrigger
arms. I want some movement but only a little, this may be controlled by
springs or restricted movement a little up a little down to give
independent movement. My grate friends Trial and Error will have to be
my guide.

This is the first time I tried the yam 2.5 on the water. The video has
been taken at an angle that makes the back look more down than it real
is. It also shows how after a few knots the floats swing around and act
more like sea anchors.
The other two are me testing the out riggers.

Looking through some of the designs on boat design gives me some hope.

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...KING_VIDEO.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1435.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1436.mp4

.I am also looking at may be redesigning the whole kayak. Making up a
mold from the kayak I have and making some changes to the hull in the
mold.

Now that Ilan Voyager. Scaled down to 13' to 15'! Oops I am off again.

Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so.

But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the
smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

--
aikidojohn

When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?

On Feb 9, 7:54*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:41:36 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so..

But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the
smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

--
aikidojohn

When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. *I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate *of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also *costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?

I see lots of guys fishing from kayaks in the river and they usually
do OK on the little jacks and grunts but it is fun watching them try
to pull a bull red out of the mangroves.
It can be like those whale boats in Moby Dick until they break off.
You surly don't want a higher pound test than you can hold abeam
without going over.
Get out in a little deeper water, hook up a black tip and you might be
the bait.

i don't think I'd like that very well.

eh...

On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:15:57 +0000, aikidojohn
wrote:


Hi all my first post

I don't know if this should go in Boat Building........... But hay Hoo


I am a reluctant kayak fisherman. Why reluctant, well I wonted a boat
but had no where to keep it. I can keep two kayaks without any problems.
I have a P13 and a Big Game. But paddling, dam thats hard work. Even
when the weather wont let you go out for a few weeks, it's down the Jym
to keep up your paddle fitness. Well, it should be but every time I get
the erg, I tend to sit down until the feeling passes.

How all this began, I was on a kayaking fishing forum and was told that
the Big game was a slow old tug of a kayak. I answered this with, wait
till I put my twin Volvo's on meant to be a light hearted jest. This
was answered by one of the forums leading lights, making threats and
telling me that I will not even think of adding an out board to my
kayak. It was as though I had threatened his man hood, with that a few
more came in and it got nasty. That is when I thought WHY not and so I
got started.

So I fitted a 2.5 Yam 4 stroke out board to my Big Game. I also fitted
outrigger for stability and to help carry the weight (15 Kg) of the out
board. This also helps me get back to the out board for
starting/refueling and so on. The steering is by cable to foot peddles
and after a few changes, works well.

I am alway looking of ways to improve, the design and I am looking at
the floats of the outriggers. They were never design for anything but
stability, to sit on the water more like a kids arm bands.
I wont them to give me lift from about 3 knots on, to pick up my rear
end and stop the out board digging in.
So I have been looking at the model boats world for floats, well hulls
anyway. My thinking at the moment is a scale model 33 1/2" to long and
11" wide. I am now waiting for them to come from ebay. I will add some
more layer to beef them up and make top deck so as to fit the outrigger
arms. I want some movement but only a little, this may be controlled by
springs or restricted movement a little up a little down to give
independent movement. My grate friends Trial and Error will have to be
my guide.


This is the first time I tried the yam 2.5 on the water. The video has
been taken at an angle that makes the back look more down than it real
is. It also shows how after a few knots the floats swing around and act
more like sea anchors.
The other two are me testing the out riggers.

Looking through some of the designs on boat design gives me some hope.

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...KING_VIDEO.mp4


http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1435.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1436.mp4



I am also looking at may be redesigning the whole kayak. Making up a
mold from the kayak I have and making some changes to the hull in the
mold.

Now that Ilan Voyager. Scaled down to 13' to 15'! Oops I am off again.

Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so.


But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the
smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

Can't get the pictures to work.

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:41:36 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Think I am mad, You are dam right I am. I know as every one tell me so.

But I can also see a cheap fishing boat, that could be kept in the
smallest of places. This could be a Pocket money fishing boat.

If you are a boat builder, I think there is a market.

AJ

--
aikidojohn

When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?

I see lots of guys fishing from kayaks in the river and they usually
do OK on the little jacks and grunts but it is fun watching them try
to pull a bull red out of the mangroves.
It can be like those whale boats in Moby Dick until they break off.
You surly don't want a higher pound test than you can hold abeam
without going over.
Get out in a little deeper water, hook up a black tip and you might be
the bait.


Reply:
I kayak fish. Biggest I have landed is about 10# lingcod. But lots of the
SoCal guys land thresher sharks and big White Sea Bass from them. As well
as around get they land a sturgeon at times. Just make sure the pull is to
the front area of the boat. I do fish out of Hobie Outback, so I can steer
and pedal while fighting the fish. Have fished out of a Scupper Pro, and
with wind that is a problem as hard to paddle and fish at the same time.
Trying to fish a hole in the kelp and you blow in to the kelp.

--


When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?[/quote]



Sorry try this


http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...KING_VIDEO.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1435.mp4

http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=DSCF1436.mp4

AJ

When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?[/i][/color]

I see lots of guys fishing from kayaks in the river and they usually
do OK on the little jacks and grunts but it is fun watching them try
to pull a bull red out of the mangroves.
It can be like those whale boats in Moby Dick until they break off.
You surly don't want a higher pound test than you can hold abeam
without going over.
Get out in a little deeper water, hook up a black tip and you might be
the bait.


Reply:
I kayak fish. Biggest I have landed is about 10# lingcod. But lots of the
SoCal guys land thresher sharks and big White Sea Bass from them. As well
as around get they land a sturgeon at times. Just make sure the pull is to
the front area of the boat. I do fish out of Hobie Outback, so I can steer
and pedal while fighting the fish. Have fished out of a Scupper Pro, and
with wind that is a problem as hard to paddle and fish at the same time.
Trying to fish a hole in the kelp and you blow in to the kelp.[/quote]

Well, in defence of the kayak fishing. They go out up to about 3 miles and catch Ray over 150lb, Shark, Conger, even Marlin. It up there on Utube if you look, or take a look at. www.anglersafloat.com a UK kayak fishing forum.

AJ

On Feb 12, 3:13*am, aikidojohn
wrote:
When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. *I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate *of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also *costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?

I see lots of guys fishing from kayaks in the river and they usually
do OK on the little jacks and grunts but it is fun watching them try
to pull a bull red out of the mangroves.
It can be like those whale boats in Moby Dick until they break off.
You surly don't want a higher pound test than you can hold abeam
without going over.
Get out in a little deeper water, hook up a black tip and you might be
the bait.

Reply:
I kayak fish. *Biggest I have landed is about 10# lingcod. *But lots of
the
SoCal guys land thresher sharks and big White Sea Bass from them. *As
well
as around get they land a sturgeon at times. *Just make sure the pull is
to
the front area of the boat. *I do fish out of Hobie Outback, so I can
steer
and pedal while fighting the fish. *Have fished out of a Scupper Pro,
and
with wind that is a problem as hard to paddle and fish at the same time.

Trying to fish a hole in the kelp and you blow in to the kelp.

Well, in defence of the kayak fishing. They go out up to about 3 miles and
catch Ray over 150lb, Shark, Conger, even Marlin. It up there on Utube if
you look, or take a look at. *www.anglersafloat.com*a UK kayak fishing
forum.

AJ

--
aikidojohn[/i][/color]

Well, i didnt' say it can't be done, i just don't see the concept of
ease, convenience, or practicality there. But then again, I confess
I'm not a kayaker either.

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 12, 3:13 am, aikidojohn
wrote:
When I click your links, photobucket says they're nonexistent. I've
never really been around Kayak's before, so i really dont' know much
about them. a school mate of mine lives in Oregon and has a Molokai
And really enjoys it a lot. From what I've seen on the youtube vids,
they seem a bit noisy to me, but look like they'd be entertaining.
But to me, they're also costly for what they are.

i dont' see how a kayak would make a good fishing craft, but that's
jsut me.

How about a motorized canoe?

I see lots of guys fishing from kayaks in the river and they usually
do OK on the little jacks and grunts but it is fun watching them try
to pull a bull red out of the mangroves.
It can be like those whale boats in Moby Dick until they break off.
You surly don't want a higher pound test than you can hold abeam
without going over.
Get out in a little deeper water, hook up a black tip and you might be
the bait.

Reply:
I kayak fish. Biggest I have landed is about 10# lingcod. But lots of
the
SoCal guys land thresher sharks and big White Sea Bass from them. As
well
as around get they land a sturgeon at times. Just make sure the pull is
to
the front area of the boat. I do fish out of Hobie Outback, so I can
steer
and pedal while fighting the fish. Have fished out of a Scupper Pro,
and
with wind that is a problem as hard to paddle and fish at the same time.

Trying to fish a hole in the kelp and you blow in to the kelp.

Well, in defence of the kayak fishing. They go out up to about 3 miles and
catch Ray over 150lb, Shark, Conger, even Marlin. It up there on Utube if
you look, or take a look at. www.anglersafloat.com a UK kayak fishing
forum.

AJ

--
aikidojohn[/i][/color]

Well, i didnt' say it can't be done, i just don't see the concept of
ease, convenience, or practicality there. But then again, I confess
I'm not a kayaker either.


Reply:
Convenience is tossing the yak in the bed of the truck or on the rack and
going fishing without a lot of extra preparations. No low mileage towing,
etc. Cheap to launch, no ramp needed. Does give you more exercise.