On 2/2/11 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:30:35 -0500,
wrote:

On 2/2/11 12:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500,
wrote:

On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500,
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Read up on cellulosic ethanol,

Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn.


That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid.

Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive.


Right, let's do...nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has
not proved it's value.


There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up
with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big,
multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber
alles."

Who do you think controls most of the farming? You are just trading
Exxon for ADM but you can bet your ass Exxon would still be right in
the middle of it.

It doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to be under the thumb of
huge corporations. I've stated several times that we need a major
restructuring in this country, one that "rebalances" our economy so that
it works for middle and lower income workers and families. I don't know
whether that rebalancing will come about peacefully.

In a future political climate it may be possibly to restrict the
development and sale of alternative energy sources to small corporations
or not-for-profit entities.

In our lives here, we're not particularly restricted by governmental
rules and regulations. The impact of large corporations is a negative in
almost everything, and large corporations have their thumbs on almost
everything.

We've got to get rid of "corporate uber alles," or this won't be a
country worth living in.

On 2/2/11 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:31:32 -0500,
wrote:

There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up
with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big,
multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber
alles."

Who do you think controls most of the farming? You are just trading
Exxon for ADM but you can bet your ass Exxon would still be right in
the middle of it.

It doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to be under the thumb of
huge corporations. I've stated several times that we need a major
restructuring in this country, one that "rebalances" our economy so that
it works for middle and lower income workers and families. I don't know
whether that rebalancing will come about peacefully.

In a future political climate it may be possibly to restrict the
development and sale of alternative energy sources to small corporations
or not-for-profit entities.

In our lives here, we're not particularly restricted by governmental
rules and regulations. The impact of large corporations is a negative in
almost everything, and large corporations have their thumbs on almost
everything.

We've got to get rid of "corporate uber alles," or this won't be a
country worth living in.


As long as people still go to WalMart and let their local stores die,
you will not change the model. It is not WalMart per se but just the
mentality that a lower price trumps all else. You can say all you want
about the evils of corporate America but it is pretty much undisputed
that they bring us "Market driven quality" at a lower price than mom
and pop could ever do. Both are cheaper than if the government does it
although most of the government price is hidden in taxes so they can
make things look like they are free.

BTW I watched two interesting movies on the NetFlix streamer last
night
WalMart, the high cost of a low price and Maxed Out.





Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.

On 2/2/11 7:49 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleW_SdnQEoj8MQAtTQnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.



You're a birther, Bertie. Nothing you say politically is meaningful.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/2/11 7:49 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleW_SdnQEoj8MQAtTQnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.



You're a birther, Bertie. Nothing you say politically is meaningful.

I see that you haven't denied participating in a Market Driven Quality
commercial transaction recently.

On 2/2/11 8:18 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In articleW_SdnQEoj8MQAtTQnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.

Progressives believe that each and every person should have a choice, as
long as it is the choice they (progressives) have made... Anything else
is met with ignorance and intolerance.



I wouldn't object to you and your family getting or not getting abortions.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/2/11 8:18 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In articleW_SdnQEoj8MQAtTQnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.

Progressives believe that each and every person should have a choice, as
long as it is the choice they (progressives) have made... Anything else
is met with ignorance and intolerance.



I wouldn't object to you and your family getting or not getting abortions.

But, you object to each and every other choice that they make. Either
you are pro choice or you are pro abortion. It appears that you are only
pro abortion.

On 2/3/11 8:49 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZs2dnZOE5ZfImtfQnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/2/11 8:18 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In articleW_SdnQEoj8MQAtTQnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Since the 1980s, it seems, the so-called "free market" has not been
serving us with its credo of no real taxes on the wealthy, no real
regulation, no real government.

"Market driven quality" is no quality at all.

You have recently participated in Market Driven Quality. You get the
quality you are willing to pay for. You problem is that you do not want
others to have choices that are different from yours.

Progressives believe that each and every person should have a choice, as
long as it is the choice they (progressives) have made... Anything else
is met with ignorance and intolerance.



I wouldn't object to you and your family getting or not getting abortions.

But, you object to each and every other choice that they make. Either
you are pro choice or you are pro abortion. It appears that you are only
pro abortion.



Pro-choice and pro-abortion are not competing concepts.
I think the choice of whether to get an abortion is up to the pregnant
female. So, I obviously am pro-choice. I think safe abortions should be
available to pregnant females everywhere. So, obviously, I am pro-abortion.

But that doesn't mean I am in favor of "forced" abortion, as your
statement seems to imply.

Once again, you exhibit your inability to engage in logical discussion
and debate.