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Replaced starter (now clicking)
I have a 5.7 V8 Mercruiser in my 94 Chapparl. I recently replaced the
starter with a brand new one (tested and works). Replaced all the wires going to and from the starter and battery (checked the negative, and works). Checked all connections. Now when i attempt to start I hear a click noise coming somewhere near the circuit breaker or the slave starter selenoid (ontop the engine near the carberator). I checked the leads and the power to make sure the starter is getting power when the key is turned. I can't figure it out for the life of me. I can work all my other accesories, tilt trim, etc... but all i hear when i turn the key is a single clicking noise, and no noise or clicking from the starter... Any suggestions... I"m getting fed up and am about to pay $$$ for the marine to find out. I'm not an electrician, i am 100% sure the wires from the starter are going to the right place and i have the following for the battery switch. Battery positive to (1) on battery switch. then one red wire "Common" on the battery switch going to the starter and another red wire (about 8 gauge) coming from the "Common" i beleive goes to the wire harness. |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
Probably one of a few things...
FIRST.. make sure there are NO FUMES IN THE ENGINE ROOM... Sniff... run blowers, sniff again... air out engine room. -Battery could be to low to turn over engine. (Charge it or put switch to BOTH) -Electical contacts could be dirty. (Enough power to operate solenoid but not starter). Try removing heavy red wires (Disconnect battery first or turn off batt switch), remove any paint or corosion on red cable and tighten back down... MAKE SURE YOU USE 2 WRENCHES TO HOLD BOTTOM NUT or you cound hurt the new starter. Remember... 12V when the starter is OFF does not guarantee clean wiring.... Try connecting the meter to the starter solenoid (then the starter it self) and hit the starter button... if the battery is BAD or the connections dirty, the 12V will drop to near 0. It will drop to about 9-11 if everything is OK, it will not drop at all if the starter has an internal "open" (as opposed to short) or the solenoid is bad (Open) - -Ground wire dirty- I assume it is engine grounded and you said you replaced that wire... again.. remove black wire and file off all paint etc from the wire and the engine bolt. Many times it will allow enough current to pass to run accessories but not the starter. -Solenoid clicking but dirty. Test by shorting the two big terminals with an old screwdriver. BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH GROUND.... Wear goggles and only do it for a second. Check for fumes again FIRST. If it turns over now, you may have to replace the solenoid. -Started is binding. (probably not if there is no sound coming from it) Remove starter and see if it turns over when it is NOT in the engine (yes... you have to ground it some how for it to work when it is not attached to the engine) If it does work then, you may have to reinstall starter again making sure all the washers, etc are in their proper place. good luck and DON'T FORGET THE FUME REMOVAL AND TEST!!!! Matt wrote: I have a 5.7 V8 Mercruiser in my 94 Chapparl. I recently replaced the starter with a brand new one (tested and works). Replaced all the wires going to and from the starter and battery (checked the negative, and works). Checked all connections. Now when i attempt to start I hear a click noise coming somewhere near the circuit breaker or the slave starter selenoid (ontop the engine near the carberator). I checked the leads and the power to make sure the starter is getting power when the key is turned. I can't figure it out for the life of me. I can work all my other accesories, tilt trim, etc... but all i hear when i turn the key is a single clicking noise, and no noise or clicking from the starter... Any suggestions... I"m getting fed up and am about to pay $$$ for the marine to find out. I'm not an electrician, i am 100% sure the wires from the starter are going to the right place and i have the following for the battery switch. Battery positive to (1) on battery switch. then one red wire "Common" on the battery switch going to the starter and another red wire (about 8 gauge) coming from the "Common" i beleive goes to the wire harness. |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
Thanks for your help... I got the starter to work (well turn / engaged at least). Now I'm back to my original problem before i changed the starter. As I turned the key the engine maybe cranked once or twice then nothing, waited some more and same problem. (It was something like when the battery dies and the engine won't turn over completely) But the battery was charged fully (I also tried to jump it). I noticed that as i continued to attempt to start the boat the cables to from the battery got extremely hot and then one seemed to smoke a little as i was attempting to crank. I checked the battery afterwards (being towed out of the water) and all was fine. My mechanic told me it was the starter so i replaced it but now i'm back to square one. any further suggestions.. ?? thanx... "Ed" wrote in message ... Probably one of a few things... FIRST.. make sure there are NO FUMES IN THE ENGINE ROOM... Sniff... run blowers, sniff again... air out engine room. -Battery could be to low to turn over engine. (Charge it or put switch to BOTH) -Electical contacts could be dirty. (Enough power to operate solenoid but not starter). Try removing heavy red wires (Disconnect battery first or turn off batt switch), remove any paint or corosion on red cable and tighten back down... MAKE SURE YOU USE 2 WRENCHES TO HOLD BOTTOM NUT or you cound hurt the new starter. Remember... 12V when the starter is OFF does not guarantee clean wiring.... Try connecting the meter to the starter solenoid (then the starter it self) and hit the starter button... if the battery is BAD or the connections dirty, the 12V will drop to near 0. It will drop to about 9-11 if everything is OK, it will not drop at all if the starter has an internal "open" (as opposed to short) or the solenoid is bad (Open) - -Ground wire dirty- I assume it is engine grounded and you said you replaced that wire... again.. remove black wire and file off all paint etc from the wire and the engine bolt. Many times it will allow enough current to pass to run accessories but not the starter. -Solenoid clicking but dirty. Test by shorting the two big terminals with an old screwdriver. BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH GROUND.... Wear goggles and only do it for a second. Check for fumes again FIRST. If it turns over now, you may have to replace the solenoid. -Started is binding. (probably not if there is no sound coming from it) Remove starter and see if it turns over when it is NOT in the engine (yes... you have to ground it some how for it to work when it is not attached to the engine) If it does work then, you may have to reinstall starter again making sure all the washers, etc are in their proper place. good luck and DON'T FORGET THE FUME REMOVAL AND TEST!!!! Matt wrote: I have a 5.7 V8 Mercruiser in my 94 Chapparl. I recently replaced the starter with a brand new one (tested and works). Replaced all the wires going to and from the starter and battery (checked the negative, and works). Checked all connections. Now when i attempt to start I hear a click noise coming somewhere near the circuit breaker or the slave starter selenoid (ontop the engine near the carberator). I checked the leads and the power to make sure the starter is getting power when the key is turned. I can't figure it out for the life of me. I can work all my other accesories, tilt trim, etc... but all i hear when i turn the key is a single clicking noise, and no noise or clicking from the starter... Any suggestions... I"m getting fed up and am about to pay $$$ for the marine to find out. I'm not an electrician, i am 100% sure the wires from the starter are going to the right place and i have the following for the battery switch. Battery positive to (1) on battery switch. then one red wire "Common" on the battery switch going to the starter and another red wire (about 8 gauge) coming from the "Common" i beleive goes to the wire harness. |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
Did you try 1,2 and 3 below? I assume the solenoid is not new? Make
sure #1 and #2 are done, then get some goggles and an old screwdriver and try #3. Since the cables are HOT, the battery terminals are probably OK. Hot cables are a sign of over current. Over current comes from a starter that is not turning over and that could come from dirty contacts, OR....a seized engine.... BTW... if you don't want to buy a second new starter... only hit the start button for a second or two and then let it all cool while you try something different... . Also... how did this all start? are you sure the engine is not seized up? (Stuck piston, in gear, fluid in cylinder, etc). You said it turns over once or twice? (That is a good sign) Also, how are you checking the battery to make sure it is good? Hydrometer? Did you try jumping it or using the "BOTH" switch? If you jump it with cables.... attach one cable to the engine itself and the other to the hot side of the solenoid. This will by pass all the wiring. Good luck FIRST.. make sure there are NO FUMES IN THE ENGINE ROOM... Sniff... run blowers, sniff again... air out engine room. 1) -Electical contacts could be dirty. (Enough power to operate solenoid but not starter). Try removing heavy red wires (Disconnect battery first or turn off batt switch), remove any paint or corosion on red cable and tighten back down... MAKE SURE YOU USE 2 WRENCHES TO HOLD BOTTOM NUT or you cound hurt the new starter. Remember... 12V when the starter is OFF does not guarantee clean wiring.... Try connecting the meter to the starter solenoid (then the starter it self) and hit the starter button... if the battery is BAD or the connections dirty, the 12V will drop to near 0. It will drop to about 9-11 if everything is OK, it will not drop at all if the starter has an internal "open" (as opposed to short) or the solenoid is bad (Open) 2) -Ground wire dirty- I assume it is engine grounded and you said you replaced that wire... again.. remove black wire and file off all paint etc from the wire and the engine bolt. Many times it will allow enough current to pass to run accessories but not the starter. 3) -Solenoid clicking but dirty. Test by shorting the two big terminals with an old screwdriver. BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH GROUND.... Wear goggles and only do it for a second. Check for fumes again FIRST. If it turns over now, you may have to replace the solenoid. Matt wrote: I have a 5.7 V8 Mercruiser in my 94 Chapparl. I recently replaced the starter with a brand new one (tested and works). Replaced all the wires going to and from the starter and battery (checked the negative, and works). Checked all connections. Now when i attempt to start I hear a click noise coming somewhere near the circuit breaker or the slave starter selenoid (ontop the engine near the carberator). I checked the leads and the power to make sure the starter is getting power when the key is turned. I can't figure it out for the life of me. I can work all my other accesories, tilt trim, etc... but all i hear when i turn the key is a single clicking noise, and no noise or clicking from the starter... Any suggestions... I"m getting fed up and am about to pay $$$ for the marine to find out. I'm not an electrician, i am 100% sure the wires from the starter are going to the right place and i have the following for the battery switch. Battery positive to (1) on battery switch. then one red wire "Common" on the battery switch going to the starter and another red wire (about 8 gauge) coming from the "Common" i beleive goes to the wire harness. |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
As I
turned the key the engine maybe cranked once or twice then nothing, waited some more and same problem. (It was something like when the battery dies and the engine won't turn over completely) But the battery was charged fully (I also tried to jump it). I noticed that as i continued to attempt to start the boat the cables to from the battery got extremely hot and then one seemed to smoke a little as i was attempting to crank. I checked the battery afterwards (being towed out of the water) and all was fine. My mechanic told me it was the starter so i replaced it but now i'm back to square one. any further suggestions.. ?? thanx... Sure sounds like a bad ground connection. It could be bad cable also.The inside of the terminal connectors can corrode in time. And you can never rule out another bad rebuilt starter. It happens quite often, unfortunately. I'd try a known good cable directly from the battery negative side to a goood tight ground on the engine block. If that works you can easily diagnose the problem from the switch and other cables. That's an easy place to start. Barry |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
The starter and soleniod are both brand new. My mechanic said the engine is
not seized (he made a house call) becuase he could turn it and because the turns slightly when I attempt to start it. How it all started: The last thing i remember is i hit a small rock that dented the prop a small amount then about 2 hours later my audio alarm went off for overheating then ever since then is the same problem i've been having. when ignition is turned it cranks slowly, seems like there's some type of resistance. My battery swithc is only ON or OFF i don't have a "both" switch. The battery is about a year old although it isn't a deep cycle battery i haven't had problems iwth it in the past. My mechanic recommend i get a new battery eventually because i think he said that the voltage was dropping too low. I hooked up a portable battery jumper and tried that. When i pulled the starter out with my previous problem i tested it like you said. i hooked up the negative to the starter metal and the positive to the hot selonoid it it engaged and spun, so that is how i'm assuming teh starter is good. (is that what you meant by attach one cable to the engive and the other to the hot side of the selenoid? When the engine seizes does it seize completely? caues if that's the case then i feel confident that mine isn't seized. Thanks again for your help.... "Ed" wrote in message ... Did you try 1,2 and 3 below? I assume the solenoid is not new? Make sure #1 and #2 are done, then get some goggles and an old screwdriver and try #3. Since the cables are HOT, the battery terminals are probably OK. Hot cables are a sign of over current. Over current comes from a starter that is not turning over and that could come from dirty contacts, OR....a seized engine.... BTW... if you don't want to buy a second new starter... only hit the start button for a second or two and then let it all cool while you try something different... . Also... how did this all start? are you sure the engine is not seized up? (Stuck piston, in gear, fluid in cylinder, etc). You said it turns over once or twice? (That is a good sign) Also, how are you checking the battery to make sure it is good? Hydrometer? Did you try jumping it or using the "BOTH" switch? If you jump it with cables.... attach one cable to the engine itself and the other to the hot side of the solenoid. This will by pass all the wiring. Good luck FIRST.. make sure there are NO FUMES IN THE ENGINE ROOM... Sniff... run blowers, sniff again... air out engine room. 1) -Electical contacts could be dirty. (Enough power to operate solenoid but not starter). Try removing heavy red wires (Disconnect battery first or turn off batt switch), remove any paint or corosion on red cable and tighten back down... MAKE SURE YOU USE 2 WRENCHES TO HOLD BOTTOM NUT or you cound hurt the new starter. Remember... 12V when the starter is OFF does not guarantee clean wiring.... Try connecting the meter to the starter solenoid (then the starter it self) and hit the starter button... if the battery is BAD or the connections dirty, the 12V will drop to near 0. It will drop to about 9-11 if everything is OK, it will not drop at all if the starter has an internal "open" (as opposed to short) or the solenoid is bad (Open) 2) -Ground wire dirty- I assume it is engine grounded and you said you replaced that wire... again.. remove black wire and file off all paint etc from the wire and the engine bolt. Many times it will allow enough current to pass to run accessories but not the starter. 3) -Solenoid clicking but dirty. Test by shorting the two big terminals with an old screwdriver. BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH GROUND.... Wear goggles and only do it for a second. Check for fumes again FIRST. If it turns over now, you may have to replace the solenoid. Matt wrote: I have a 5.7 V8 Mercruiser in my 94 Chapparl. I recently replaced the starter with a brand new one (tested and works). Replaced all the wires going to and from the starter and battery (checked the negative, and works). Checked all connections. Now when i attempt to start I hear a click noise coming somewhere near the circuit breaker or the slave starter selenoid (ontop the engine near the carberator). I checked the leads and the power to make sure the starter is getting power when the key is turned. I can't figure it out for the life of me. I can work all my other accesories, tilt trim, etc... but all i hear when i turn the key is a single clicking noise, and no noise or clicking from the starter... Any suggestions... I"m getting fed up and am about to pay $$$ for the marine to find out. I'm not an electrician, i am 100% sure the wires from the starter are going to the right place and i have the following for the battery switch. Battery positive to (1) on battery switch. then one red wire "Common" on the battery switch going to the starter and another red wire (about 8 gauge) coming from the "Common" i beleive goes to the wire harness. |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
I also had the thought about the engine being seized when I read about the
hot starter cables after only a couple cranks of the starter. Have you tried taking out the spark plugs and rolling the engine with the starter? It should have no trouble spinning the engine with no compression. Good luck! "Ed" wrote in message ... Also... how did this all start? are you sure the engine is not seized up? (Stuck piston, in gear, fluid in cylinder, etc). You said it turns over once or twice? (That is a good sign) |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
I haven't tried that. Just take out each spark plug and the engine should
turn w/o resistance once i attempt to start? no familar with technique... "Snafu" wrote in message nk.net... I also had the thought about the engine being seized when I read about the hot starter cables after only a couple cranks of the starter. Have you tried taking out the spark plugs and rolling the engine with the starter? It should have no trouble spinning the engine with no compression. Good luck! "Ed" wrote in message ... Also... how did this all start? are you sure the engine is not seized up? (Stuck piston, in gear, fluid in cylinder, etc). You said it turns over once or twice? (That is a good sign) |
Replaced starter (now clicking)
Be real careful doing that.... put some papertowels to absord the gas as
it comes out and keep the blower going. I still think it is electrical if it turns over once or twice. Matt wrote: I haven't tried that. Just take out each spark plug and the engine should turn w/o resistance once i attempt to start? no familar with technique... "Snafu" wrote in message nk.net... I also had the thought about the engine being seized when I read about the hot starter cables after only a couple cranks of the starter. Have you tried taking out the spark plugs and rolling the engine with the starter? It should have no trouble spinning the engine with no compression. Good luck! "Ed" wrote in message ... Also... how did this all start? are you sure the engine is not seized up? (Stuck piston, in gear, fluid in cylinder, etc). You said it turns over once or twice? (That is a good sign) |
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