On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

On Jan 12, 11:26*pm, "Wayne.B" wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. *Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, *In
addition they can be *either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. *We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Very interesting. I've been thinking about buying some type of fridge
for my shop, but everything I've considered has been various types of
the standard thing. One of these can pull double duty in the shop and
on the boat for our extended trips once or twice a year, among other
things. Only downside is the weight when moving it around, as far as
I see. Thanks!

On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy..
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the
best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to
go with them.

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...

On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the
best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to
go with them.

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...


I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator and
an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice maker, I
still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of times, but
hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this coming
season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at the end of
last season was as a place to store bottled water.

On Jan 13, 7:00*am, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote:



On Jan 13, 5:56 am, *wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, * *wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the
best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to
go with them.

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...

I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator and
an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice maker, I
still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of times, but
hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this coming
season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at the end of
last season was as a place to store bottled water.

Yes, and that's the syndrome, What is justifiable and what isn't.

My old 1964 Chris Craft had a 120v shore power factory refrigerator,
an that's great IF I had shore power, but not so was the case... In
the high humid 90's on Lake Carlyle, it would be futile to cool it
down for just one day, and if a person threw a couple bags of ice in
it, the box itself would eat that trying to cool itself down.

Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to
one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and
flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the
best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to
go with them.

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...


I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator
and an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice
maker, I still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of
times, but hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this
coming season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at
the end of last season was as a place to store bottled water.
Classic WAFA bull****.

In article ,
says...

Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to
one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and
flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

Check out these:

http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/

I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat
"refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the
steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area.

Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the
best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to
go with them.

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...


I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator
and an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice
maker, I still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of
times, but hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this
coming season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at
the end of last season was as a place to store bottled water.
Classic WAFA bull****.

Hell, he even used to whine and moan here that people that had cruising
style boats used too much natural resources, said the only reason he
boats was to get somewhere, and didn't want to go slow cruising
anywhere.

On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote:





On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out


Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...

For how long are you planning to go out? Any decent normal cooler
will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. Doing
anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not
having to buy ice as often. If you're on a lake with marinas, it's
not that big a deal.

I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. To
get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend
about $1400. That will buy a *lot* of ice. So instead, we buy a 20lb
bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the
utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin
under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. It
doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could
ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. Problem solved!

On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a-
,
says...







On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote:

On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though..

I'll get it figured out

Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.
but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for
throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda
unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit.

It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a
time, but not so is the case.

besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older
wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and
bulky. so.....

And these things?

http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html

Eh...

For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler
will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing
anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not
having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's
not that big a deal.

I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To
get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend
about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb
bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the
utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin
under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It
doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could
ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved!

My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping.

http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100
_Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html

Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the
competition. These reflective coolers work, period...

It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't
open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can
fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will
still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from
the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day,
and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the
crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on
a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were
careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice
in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's
gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler
just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock.
Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in,
unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my
opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok... I mean,
if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might
get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and
heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten...

See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat
sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and
everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient.
Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.