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48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121904261.html
Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Dec 19, 10:08*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek *saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08*pm, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek *saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Dec 19, 11:17*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201.... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:40:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Dec 19, 11:17*pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? You're right. You're not worth much if that's how you feel about people's lives. Don't like what my opinion? There's a solution. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Dec 20, 5:19*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article a56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720 @l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God... snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Scott, I never could see why some pepole would want to take a statement extremely out of context, and go running and screaming with it. Maybe jsut to poke a fight for little else to do? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Dec 20, 5:19*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article a56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720 @l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God... snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Yeah, Scott. i guess i could say that I just got penalized for starting a boating post in a boating news group... LOL! |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 7:34 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:19 am, I am wrote: In articlea56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720 @l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God...snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Yeah, Scott. i guess i could say that I just got penalized for starting a boating post in a boating news group... LOL! Mu guess is the comment had more to do with your qualification of compassion. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On Dec 20, 6:40*am, Harryk wrote:
On 12/20/10 7:34 AM, Tim wrote: On Dec 20, 5:19 am, I am *wrote: In articlea56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720 @l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, *wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God...snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! * Yeah, Scott. i guess i could say that I *just got penalized for starting a boating post in a boating news group... LOL! Mu guess is the comment had more to do with your qualification of compassion. Could be. but less doesn't mean 'none.' Still it would almost be amusing if it wasnt' so sad to see somebody fly off a handle like that... |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 20, 6:40 am, wrote: On 12/20/10 7:34 AM, Tim wrote: On Dec 20, 5:19 am, I am wrote: In articlea56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720 @l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God...snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Yeah, Scott. i guess i could say that I just got penalized for starting a boating post in a boating news group... LOL! Mu guess is the comment had more to do with your qualification of compassion. Could be. but less doesn't mean 'none.' Still it would almost be amusing if it wasnt' so sad to see somebody fly off a handle like that... Compassion on a scale...interesting concept. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. I'll admit to not knowing much about Pakistan, other than what led to its formation. Pakistan, at least, is a nation, of sorts. Afghanistan is not. It's a collection of villages and empty spaces, and for the most part, people in one village don't know the people in the next village. There is no sense of nationalism in Afghanistan and when you suggest they "organize," well, I doubt they have the literacy skills and I know they don't have the experience to do that. They are not former English colonists, after all. Mexicans certainly have the ability to turn their nation around and get rid of their horribly corrupt governments. Maybe another revolution is necessary. In the 1970s, I visited Cancun when it was just being built up as a resort town. There were three or four hotels there. We took a side trip to Chichen Itza, in a tour bus along a fairly crappy road. The tour guide said a good portion of what we were paying for the trip was being set aside for a new road. Twenty years later, I was on the same trip. The tour bus operator made the same excuses for the crappy road. Corruption. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... This isn't discussed nearly enough. It is corporation/financial services company *greed* more than anything that is causing the downfall of the United States and the concomitant loss of millions of of decent jobs. The corporate world wants serfs, and serfdom is where we are heading. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote:
They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. -- Ziggy® |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
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"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. Hey, dumfoch, my Dr. Dr. Dr. wife has set up a fantastic foundation to help with this cause. This foundation is as perfect as I am. |
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48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
"Gene" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 It's taken them thousands of years for them to get to the point where they can be all that they can be. We have sacrificed thousands of American lives to help them be better. But they seem to be happy the way they are. The few that aren't happy seem to want a piece of the American Pie for free. -- Ziggy® |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote: While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... This isn't discussed nearly enough. It is corporation/financial services company *greed* more than anything that is causing the downfall of the United States and the concomitant loss of millions of of decent jobs. The corporate world wants serfs, and serfdom is where we are heading. The other side of the coin is, the unions demand too much and give back too little. Seems to be a little greed going on there too. -- Ziggy® |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. What was I thinking? I was way out of line suggesting that if you feel compassionate, you should do more than "feel badly". -- Ziggy® |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/2010 9:51 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. A day or two of reading "Ziggy's" posts was enough for me. There's nothing there but snarky remarks. I filtered him out. Why are you responding to him now? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote:
In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners who came here and built America. Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose members came here with nothing. |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:04:32 -0500, "Paul@BYC"
wrote: A day or two of reading "Ziggy's" posts was enough for me. There's nothing there but snarky remarks. I filtered him out. Why are you responding to him now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessi...lsive_disorder |
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says... On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? Krause won't like you calling his game a "brand of stupidity". Now here's your Snotty. |
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On 12/20/10 1:04 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/20/2010 9:51 AM, Harryk wrote: On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. A day or two of reading "Ziggy's" posts was enough for me. There's nothing there but snarky remarks. I filtered him out. Why are you responding to him now? I had my filters off for part of the weekend, and just began "reinstating" them. In a moment of insanity, now passed, I thought Ziggy could behave like a decent person. The moment has passed; he's back in filterville. |
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On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok? Good God Tim... Good God... snerk. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Scott, I never could see why some pepole would want to take a statement extremely out of context, and go running and screaming with it. Maybe jsut to poke a fight for little else to do? ------- Nature of the beast on this group Tim. Seems to be too many people that have worn out their normal avenues of venting anger and aggression (neighbors and family) so they do it here. Doing any boat projects or too friggin cold? |
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"Harryk" wrote in message m...
On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? Paul's caught the fever. He's hooked for good. -- Ziggy® |
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On 12/20/2010 1:21 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? I've been too lazy to filter him out, but I'll address that later today or tomorrow. He, his alter ego "Crotchrot," and "Ziggy" are the troika of trash. |
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On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners who came here and built America. Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose members came here with nothing. You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate. Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of (illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US laws.... I certainly don't get it.... As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was increased. We are headed in the wrong direction. Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens. That no longer holds true..... I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols, extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries. |
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In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says... On 12/20/10 1:04 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 9:51 AM, Harryk wrote: On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. A day or two of reading "Ziggy's" posts was enough for me. There's nothing there but snarky remarks. I filtered him out. Why are you responding to him now? I had my filters off for part of the weekend, and just began "reinstating" them. In a moment of insanity, now passed, I thought Ziggy could behave like a decent person. The moment has passed; he's back in filterville. Here's a Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. |
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@mypacks.net says... On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
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says... On 12/20/2010 1:21 PM, Harryk wrote: On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? I've been too lazy to filter him out, but I'll address that later today or tomorrow. He, his alter ego "Crotchrot," and "Ziggy" are the troika of trash. You get a Snotty for name calling and insulting. Aren't you glad this game got started? |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
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48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
On 12/20/10 1:55 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/20/2010 1:21 PM, Harryk wrote: On 12/20/10 1:06 PM, Paul@BYC wrote: On 12/20/2010 10:00 AM, HarryK wrote: In , says... On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote: They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job. You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it. If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you. Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting though! Isn't there a usenet group you can haunt where your brand of stupidity is in demand, Mr. ID Spoofer? They rejected the HarryID spoofer on account of his stupidity. Even "they" have standards. You asked me about responding to Ziggy...why are you responding to the ID spoofer? I've been too lazy to filter him out, but I'll address that later today or tomorrow. He, his alter ego "Crotchrot," and "Ziggy" are the troika of trash. You arrogant alliterative! :) All sorts of posters here on both sides of the political spectrum have asked the "troika" to stop, but, of course, they haven't. They apparently think their shenanigans are appreciated, but, by who? The few other non-contributing non-boaters with no other place to post? Do you filter out Scotty? The other day, he was actually calling for posters to do more ID spoofing. |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
"Paul@BYC" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners who came here and built America. Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose members came here with nothing. You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate. Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of (illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US laws.... I certainly don't get it.... As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was increased. We are headed in the wrong direction. Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens. That no longer holds true..... I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols, extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries. Poor plump Paul. If you wish to stay on as a sock puppet, I suggest you lose the Harryisms. Snerk! -- Ziggy® |
48 may have died in boat crash off Australia
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"Paul@BYC" wrote in message ... On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, wrote: On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201... Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have it end tragically. Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this country.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186 i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching? Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be the latter. Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying. God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of humanity astounding. There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are, statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed. People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate. This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert the system. If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears? Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their own country, and make changes for themselves and their families? Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of other folks forbears. Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their homelands. This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the 20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families," they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here. What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq? They get shot. Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic cleansing." As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent there as criminals from the English penal system. The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for their loss and the losses of their families who survived. I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples trying to find a place where there might be a better life. While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and self-serving existence of corporations causes problems.... ...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via inaction, to do so. Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump ship to stay home and organize for change. Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a bid to hurt England. Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners who came here and built America. Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose members came here with nothing. You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate. Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of (illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US laws.... I certainly don't get it.... As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was increased. We are headed in the wrong direction. Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens. That no longer holds true..... I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols, extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries. Poor plump Paul. If you wish to stay on as a sock puppet, I suggest you lose the Harryisms. Snerk! Damn it, you get a super double Snotty for that. |
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