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"Paul@BYC" wrote in message ...
On 12/16/2010 11:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:12:38 -0500,
wrote:

How do you teach clever?



I'm sure Paul can speak for himself on this, but...


I wish he would.


A good, solid liberal arts education, a wide, catholic reading list, and
rigorous Socratic methodology in the classroom will improve the
"cleverness" of students who want to learn and learn to think.

I understand your point but I've never thought of cleverness as
something that could be taught. Some people have it, some think they
have it and don't, and others could care less.

I remember to this day a number of my graduate level college classes
where the professors drove hard to sharpen the wits of his students.

How did that work out?



Would it not depend on how "clever" is being defined?

Clever, for example, can include terms like "quick-witted." You can help
students become more quick-witted. In fact, I think it reasonable to say
that teaching via the Socratic method helps students think on their
feet, as it were, and become more quick-witted and therefore, clever.

Wouldn't you agree?


That all depends on the definition of "is" and "can", as it were.
Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?

He is afraid of Harry. Paul is a pussy.

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On 12/17/2010 1:10 PM, Ziggy® wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 12/16/2010 11:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:12:38 -0500,
wrote:

How do you teach clever?



I'm sure Paul can speak for himself on this, but...


I wish he would.


A good, solid liberal arts education, a wide, catholic reading list, and
rigorous Socratic methodology in the classroom will improve the
"cleverness" of students who want to learn and learn to think.

I understand your point but I've never thought of cleverness as
something that could be taught. Some people have it, some think they
have it and don't, and others could care less.

I remember to this day a number of my graduate level college classes
where the professors drove hard to sharpen the wits of his students.

How did that work out?



Would it not depend on how "clever" is being defined?

Clever, for example, can include terms like "quick-witted." You can help
students become more quick-witted. In fact, I think it reasonable to say
that teaching via the Socratic method helps students think on their
feet, as it were, and become more quick-witted and therefore, clever.

Wouldn't you agree?


That all depends on the definition of "is" and "can", as it were.
Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?



You're still here, Ziggy? I thought you had been subsumed by your other
personas, Crotch and Harry Spoofer. Well, back into the filter you go.

Engage Krause in debate?

As we are both moderate to liberal in political beliefs, so far as I can
tell, on what subjects do you think we would be in contention serious
enough to initiate a debate?

Perhaps you ought to email your response, as it isn't likely I'll see it
here.

Gee, too bad you are absolutely wrong in saying they are all the same
person.

In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/17/10 1:15 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/17/2010 1:10 PM, Ziggy® wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 12/16/2010 11:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:12:38 -0500,
wrote:

How do you teach clever?



I'm sure Paul can speak for himself on this, but...


I wish he would.


A good, solid liberal arts education, a wide, catholic reading
list, and
rigorous Socratic methodology in the classroom will improve the
"cleverness" of students who want to learn and learn to think.

I understand your point but I've never thought of cleverness as
something that could be taught. Some people have it, some think they
have it and don't, and others could care less.

I remember to this day a number of my graduate level college classes
where the professors drove hard to sharpen the wits of his students.

How did that work out?



Would it not depend on how "clever" is being defined?

Clever, for example, can include terms like "quick-witted." You can help
students become more quick-witted. In fact, I think it reasonable to say
that teaching via the Socratic method helps students think on their
feet, as it were, and become more quick-witted and therefore, clever.

Wouldn't you agree?


That all depends on the definition of "is" and "can", as it were.
Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?



You're still here, Ziggy? I thought you had been subsumed by your other
personas, Crotch and Harry Spoofer. Well, back into the filter you go.

Engage Krause in debate?

As we are both moderate to liberal in political beliefs, so far as I can
tell, on what subjects do you think we would be in contention serious
enough to initiate a debate?

Perhaps you ought to email your response, as it isn't likely I'll see it
here.




Well, I wasn't old enough to vote back then, but...would you have
supported the nomination of Adlai Stevenson?

:)

Apparently "Ziggy" doesn't know the definition of...debate.

This from the person that when confronted and debated, instantly turns
to childish name calling and insulting.

"Harry Don" wrote in message ...
In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/17/10 1:15 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/17/2010 1:10 PM, Ziggy® wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 12/16/2010 11:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:12:38 -0500,
wrote:

How do you teach clever?



I'm sure Paul can speak for himself on this, but...


I wish he would.


A good, solid liberal arts education, a wide, catholic reading
list, and
rigorous Socratic methodology in the classroom will improve the
"cleverness" of students who want to learn and learn to think.

I understand your point but I've never thought of cleverness as
something that could be taught. Some people have it, some think they
have it and don't, and others could care less.

I remember to this day a number of my graduate level college classes
where the professors drove hard to sharpen the wits of his students.

How did that work out?



Would it not depend on how "clever" is being defined?

Clever, for example, can include terms like "quick-witted." You can help
students become more quick-witted. In fact, I think it reasonable to say
that teaching via the Socratic method helps students think on their
feet, as it were, and become more quick-witted and therefore, clever.

Wouldn't you agree?


That all depends on the definition of "is" and "can", as it were.
Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?



You're still here, Ziggy? I thought you had been subsumed by your other
personas, Crotch and Harry Spoofer. Well, back into the filter you go.

Engage Krause in debate?

As we are both moderate to liberal in political beliefs, so far as I can
tell, on what subjects do you think we would be in contention serious
enough to initiate a debate?

Perhaps you ought to email your response, as it isn't likely I'll see it
here.




Well, I wasn't old enough to vote back then, but...would you have
supported the nomination of Adlai Stevenson?

:)

Apparently "Ziggy" doesn't know the definition of...debate.

This from the person that when confronted and debated, instantly turns
to childish name calling and insulting.


Like a 5th grade farter, eh.

--
Ziggy®

Paul@BYC wrote:
The good news is that exams in my classes are over tomorrow.
The bad news is that i'll have too many essay exam papers to read.
The good news is that i'm an easy grader, so long as I can see that
thought and effort went into the essays. Clever counts.

More good news: a month off to recuperate, polish up next semester's
lectures and assignments and a week off with the family someplace
where the daytime temps are in the 80's!
This is OT and pathetically narcissistic.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:07:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?

He is afraid of Harry. Paul is a pussy.

That would be a reasonable concern if he's done any research into news
group history and Harry's alter ego.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:23:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:07:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?

He is afraid of Harry. Paul is a pussy.

That would be a reasonable concern if he's done any research into news
group history and Harry's alter ego.

Bertie is calling Paul a pussy? WTF?

Time to back off the sauce Bertie Poop.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:52:25 -0500, L G wrote:

Paul@BYC wrote:
The good news is that exams in my classes are over tomorrow.
The bad news is that i'll have too many essay exam papers to read.
The good news is that i'm an easy grader, so long as I can see that
thought and effort went into the essays. Clever counts.

More good news: a month off to recuperate, polish up next semester's
lectures and assignments and a week off with the family someplace
where the daytime temps are in the 80's!

This is OT and pathetically narcissistic.

**** off and die, Dan! Oooo, doesn't that just rip ya up? Makes you
wanna go down to Wendy's and slam a couple of half pound burgers and
chase is with a fake shake, eh?

What's the waistline look like these days Dan? You down to 60 inches?

On 12/17/10 10:52 PM, L G wrote:
Paul@BYC wrote:
The good news is that exams in my classes are over tomorrow.
The bad news is that i'll have too many essay exam papers to read.
The good news is that i'm an easy grader, so long as I can see that
thought and effort went into the essays. Clever counts.

More good news: a month off to recuperate, polish up next semester's
lectures and assignments and a week off with the family someplace
where the daytime temps are in the 80's!
This is OT and pathetically narcissistic.


Another Snotty for LG

On 12/17/10 11:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:07:47 -0500, wrote:

Why do you refuse to engage Krause in debate?

He is afraid of Harry. Paul is a pussy.

That would be a reasonable concern if he's done any research into news
group history and Harry's alter ego.



A Snotty for Wayne.