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On 12/12/10 1:55 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:57 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ Well, I'll bet if you two put your heads together he could come up with a satisfactory design and build a damn decent boat for you. I'd rather have a nice Amesbury dory, 12' long, and weighing 300 pounds: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/dory.html I used to fish in one of these when they were built of wood. They are really solid, seaworthy little boats, easy to power, even rowable. Damned fine looking boats, too. |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:02:59 -0500, HarryK wrote:
On 12/12/10 1:55 PM, John H wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:57 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ Well, I'll bet if you two put your heads together he could come up with a satisfactory design and build a damn decent boat for you. I'd rather have a nice Amesbury dory, 12' long, and weighing 300 pounds: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/dory.html I used to fish in one of these when they were built of wood. They are really solid, seaworthy little boats, easy to power, even rowable. Damned fine looking boats, too. I'm sure Scotty could build one of those quite nicely also. |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:17:55 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: Well, I'll bet if you two put your heads together he could come up with a satisfactory design and build a damn decent boat for you. Well, right now I am a bit confused about what Wayne wants his boat to do. Wayne, do you want a rowboat/sailboat for fun, or are you looking for more of a mooring tender/launch? I mean, most folks I would give the speech about tradeoffs, but I am sure you know the drill;) Either way though, I would be happy to help with the design and construction details... From what I read before I am wondering if a one peice 12 foot skiff (Brockway style) might do what he needs a boat to do.. I've already got a fairly decent 12 ft RIB dinghy and I have another 12 ft roll-up Avon that we carry as a spare. They are just fine most of the time but when it's windy/choppy extra length is always better for a smoother/drier ride. The largest I can comfortably fit on top of the aft cabin is about 12 to 13 ft so anything bigger would need to be two pieces or towed behind. Towing behind is highly problematic offshore unless it is a good sized self bailing boat, unlikely to capsize. The limit on hoisting weight is about 400 lbs all inclusive. The motor with 2 fuel tanks, battery and anchor weigh in at about 200 lbs leaving about 200 lbs for the boat (or aft half). Chances are this is not going anywhere but I saw the video of that pretty little two piece pram and started thinking... |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:00 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: That's a nice boat but it would be difficult to make it come in under 200 pounds, especially in two pieces. If I were to go for it, I might look at Kevlar but who the hell wants to work with that stuff? That's one of the attractions of a two part boat - only the stern section has to come in at 200 lbs (allowing another 200 for motor, fuel and gear). Each section would be hoisted individually and assembled in the water. Fuel tanks and anchor, maybe even the battery, could be kept in the forward section to allow more weight aft. I agree about Kevlar, nasty stuff to work with. I used it to repair a rudder once and ended up with nothing but yellow fuzz when I sanded it. Carbon fiber is not bad though, just a bit pricey. Doug King, who used to hang out here, made a beautiful carbon fiber and foam dinghy a few years back. It weighed well under 100 pounds as I recall. |
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On Dec 12, 6:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: That's a nice boat but it would be difficult to make it come in under 200 pounds, especially in two pieces. If I were to go for it, I might look at Kevlar but who the hell wants to work with that stuff? That's one of the attractions of a two part boat - only the stern section has to come in at 200 lbs (allowing another 200 for motor, fuel and gear). *Each section would be hoisted individually and assembled in the water. *Fuel tanks and anchor, maybe even the battery, could be kept in the forward section to allow more weight aft. I agree about Kevlar, nasty stuff to work with. *I used it to repair a rudder once and ended up with nothing but yellow fuzz when I sanded it. *Carbon fiber is not bad though, just a bit pricey. *Doug King, who used to hang out here, made a beautiful carbon fiber and foam dinghy a few years back. *It weighed well under 100 pounds as I recall. As to a dinghy, I have made an 8 foot dinghy of Occume that came in at a whopping 60 pounds.. I suppose if you used spruce framing and 6mm occoume, with 4 oz. tight weave in the seams and skin, it could be done without Kevlar or Carbon fiber... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! My 9' nesting 2-Paw-9 is about 90 lbs. She coulda been lighter. Only having to lift one half at a time makes her easy to deal with. |
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"HarryK" wrote in message ... On 12/12/10 1:55 PM, John H wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:57 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ Well, I'll bet if you two put your heads together he could come up with a satisfactory design and build a damn decent boat for you. I'd rather have a nice Amesbury dory, 12' long, and weighing 300 pounds: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/dory.html I used to fish in one of these when they were built of wood. They are really solid, seaworthy little boats, easy to power, even rowable. Damned fine looking boats, too. Or ..if you want a real dory.... http://www.doryshop.com/the_dory.html |
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says... "I am Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John H wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ You know.. A one piece 12 foot version of that boat can be built under 200 pounds or at least close. A 12 footer can carry 4 folks comfortably with probably 6-800 pounds of gear and supplies. An 8 horse engine will make the thing fly too... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Must be a magic boat. My 14.5 foot aluminum boat is rated for just under 900 lbs...... that is three adults and gear here in Canada. 27 mph is "flying" in your neck of the woods? |
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On 12/13/10 10:08 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"HarryK" wrote in message ... On 12/12/10 1:55 PM, John H wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:57 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ Well, I'll bet if you two put your heads together he could come up with a satisfactory design and build a damn decent boat for you. I'd rather have a nice Amesbury dory, 12' long, and weighing 300 pounds: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/dory.html I used to fish in one of these when they were built of wood. They are really solid, seaworthy little boats, easy to power, even rowable. Damned fine looking boats, too. Or ..if you want a real dory.... http://www.doryshop.com/the_dory.html That's a looker, for sure, but I like the Stur-Dees for several reasons, one of which is that the hulls are made of fiberglass these days. I don't mind a modest amount of wood trim on a boat, but an all wood boat? Too much maintenance. |
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"Don Won" wrote in message ... In article , says... "I am Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:02:22 -0500, John H wrote: It wouldn't be that different from launching the present dinghy except for the reassembly. The small section would go in first with the bow painter on it, then tie it off on the stern of the big boat. Next you'd launch the big section with a stern line on it. Next step would be to get into the big section, line it up with the small one and bolt them together. It would be difficult in windy weather but we try to avoid that even now. The important thing is to take lots of pictures and share them with us! You know I'd do that. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the feasability of the "stretch" modification however. Some good points have been raised about the stresses at the attachment point joining the two halves. Growing the boat larger would only make that worse, especially with an outboard big enough to reach planing speeds. The design was intended as a small rowing and sailing dinghy and that is probably where it should stay. I'm thinking that one of Scott's Brockway Skiffs could probably be built as a two piece boat that would be more suitable for a big outboard if the right attachment method could be found. It would be heavy though unless built with high tech materials. http://www.yaimkool.com/ http://photobucket.com/images/brockway%20skiff/ You know.. A one piece 12 foot version of that boat can be built under 200 pounds or at least close. A 12 footer can carry 4 folks comfortably with probably 6-800 pounds of gear and supplies. An 8 horse engine will make the thing fly too... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Must be a magic boat. My 14.5 foot aluminum boat is rated for just under 900 lbs...... that is three adults and gear here in Canada. 27 mph is "flying" in your neck of the woods? On the open North Atlantic...... you betcha! |
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