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If you cant' find anything else whatsoever to do at all, you might
enter this: http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...test+under+way |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 04:56:10 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: If you cant' find anything else whatsoever to do at all, you might enter this: http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...test+under+way Heh. Those depictions of manatees as being cute, furry and cuddly are hilarious. Unfortunately it will lead to another generation of manatee huggers by the uninformed. |
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On 11/22/10 9:58 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 04:56:10 -0800 (PST), wrote: If you cant' find anything else whatsoever to do at all, you might enter this: http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...test+under+way Heh. Those depictions of manatees as being cute, furry and cuddly are hilarious. Unfortunately it will lead to another generation of manatee huggers by the uninformed. I can just see it now...the first annual manatee roundup and slaughter, a reality TV show hosted by none other than Ms. Shoot the Wolves from an Airplane! :) |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:58:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 04:56:10 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: If you cant' find anything else whatsoever to do at all, you might enter this: http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...test+under+way Heh. Those depictions of manatees as being cute, furry and cuddly are hilarious. Unfortunately it will lead to another generation of manatee huggers by the uninformed. Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Perhaps we should follow the lead of the Japanese. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ng-japan-taiji |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:05:01 -0500, wrote:
Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 Or Estero Bay http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/dolphins.wmv Dayummm, I'm surprised they don't run agound like everyone else in Estero Bay! :-) |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:47:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:30:40 -0800, wrote: Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 It doesn't matter. They don't contribute to corporate America in any significant way. They should be killed on sight. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:03:08 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:30:40 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:58:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 04:56:10 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: If you cant' find anything else whatsoever to do at all, you might enter this: http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...test+under+way Heh. Those depictions of manatees as being cute, furry and cuddly are hilarious. Unfortunately it will lead to another generation of manatee huggers by the uninformed. Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Perhaps we should follow the lead of the Japanese. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ng-japan-taiji The issue is not he animal itself it is the fact that we have lured them into places where they can get killed by boats and then want to stop the boats from being there. We just want FPL to stop luring them into the river. Just follow the Endangered Species Act, that is all we want. They are a migratory species and we are interfering with that migratory pattern. It is similar to the Canada Geese that people entice into staying over the winter and causing problems. I guess we have no impact on how they travel then? Give me a break. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:20:01 -0500, wrote:
I have a gas pool heater, I know how much gas it takes to heat water. I don't use the heater.. Have you analyzed the cost of a gas pool heater vs high efficiency reverse cycle electric? It's kind of a moot question for me since we don't have gas here (only propane) but just curious. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:09:14 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:02 -0800, wrote: Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 It doesn't matter. They don't contribute to corporate America in any significant way. They should be killed on sight. Ah but that is not true at all. The navy uses dolphins in covert operations and places like Sea World make millions off of them. Dolphins can be trained to do things people will pay to watch. . And, manatees are a tourist attraction as well. Indeed they contribute to our future and our children's enjoyment. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:20:01 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:48 -0800, wrote: The issue is not he animal itself it is the fact that we have lured them into places where they can get killed by boats and then want to stop the boats from being there. We just want FPL to stop luring them into the river. Just follow the Endangered Species Act, that is all we want. They are a migratory species and we are interfering with that migratory pattern. It is similar to the Canada Geese that people entice into staying over the winter and causing problems. I guess we have no impact on how they travel then? Give me a break. The impact we have is negative. We use artificially heated water to lure them into places where they do not have enough to eat, they foul the water because too many are in too small a spot (causing any number of illnesses) and that also happens to be in the only east west waterway in Florida. If we were following the ESA law we would prevent FPL from dumping hot water in the river, we would not be requiring them to do it. Then the manatee would migrate south in the winter like they had been doing for the last 100,000 years ... until we created warm water pools. The reality is the high efficiency power plant we have here does not really put much hot water in the river so we are paying them to heat water. Why don't the global warming people get mad about that. It increases the power plant's carbon footprint with no benefit to the customer or the economy. I have a gas pool heater, I know how much gas it takes to heat water. I don't use the heater.. So all those boats are doing the right thing and running them over is just fine. |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:23:13 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:07:45 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:09:14 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:02 -0800, wrote: Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 It doesn't matter. They don't contribute to corporate America in any significant way. They should be killed on sight. Ah but that is not true at all. The navy uses dolphins in covert operations and places like Sea World make millions off of them. Dolphins can be trained to do things people will pay to watch. . And, manatees are a tourist attraction as well. Indeed they contribute to our future and our children's enjoyment. Not so much So, it's a matter of profit that is the determining factor... Corporate America wins again! |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:24:22 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:16 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:20:01 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:48 -0800, wrote: The issue is not he animal itself it is the fact that we have lured them into places where they can get killed by boats and then want to stop the boats from being there. We just want FPL to stop luring them into the river. Just follow the Endangered Species Act, that is all we want. They are a migratory species and we are interfering with that migratory pattern. It is similar to the Canada Geese that people entice into staying over the winter and causing problems. I guess we have no impact on how they travel then? Give me a break. The impact we have is negative. We use artificially heated water to lure them into places where they do not have enough to eat, they foul the water because too many are in too small a spot (causing any number of illnesses) and that also happens to be in the only east west waterway in Florida. If we were following the ESA law we would prevent FPL from dumping hot water in the river, we would not be requiring them to do it. Then the manatee would migrate south in the winter like they had been doing for the last 100,000 years ... until we created warm water pools. The reality is the high efficiency power plant we have here does not really put much hot water in the river so we are paying them to heat water. Why don't the global warming people get mad about that. It increases the power plant's carbon footprint with no benefit to the customer or the economy. I have a gas pool heater, I know how much gas it takes to heat water. I don't use the heater.. So all those boats are doing the right thing and running them over is just fine. I didn't say that at all but when you attract them to the place where the boats HAVE TO GO, some will get hit. This is the ONLY east west route across Florida. And, someone gunning their engine is more important than the manatee getting to it's destination... |
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On 11/23/2010 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:23:13 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:07:45 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:09:14 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:02 -0800, wrote: Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 It doesn't matter. They don't contribute to corporate America in any significant way. They should be killed on sight. Ah but that is not true at all. The navy uses dolphins in covert operations and places like Sea World make millions off of them. Dolphins can be trained to do things people will pay to watch. . And, manatees are a tourist attraction as well. Indeed they contribute to our future and our children's enjoyment. Not so much So, it's a matter of profit that is the determining factor... Corporate America wins again! Did you ever work at Crane, Poole & Schmidt? |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:42:49 -0500, HarryK wrote:
On 11/23/2010 4:47 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:23:13 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:07:45 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:09:14 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:44:02 -0800, wrote: Same with dolphins. Why don't we just round them up and slaughter them. They don't serve any useful purpose. Not true. Dolphins are fast, smart, very photogenic and seem to like both people and boats! :-) http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAH8NJ7CP0 It doesn't matter. They don't contribute to corporate America in any significant way. They should be killed on sight. Ah but that is not true at all. The navy uses dolphins in covert operations and places like Sea World make millions off of them. Dolphins can be trained to do things people will pay to watch. . And, manatees are a tourist attraction as well. Indeed they contribute to our future and our children's enjoyment. Not so much So, it's a matter of profit that is the determining factor... Corporate America wins again! Did you ever work at Crane, Poole & Schmidt? They made me an offer, but I couldn't see working with Shatner. lol |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:34:44 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:20:01 -0500, wrote: I have a gas pool heater, I know how much gas it takes to heat water. I don't use the heater.. Have you analyzed the cost of a gas pool heater vs high efficiency reverse cycle electric? It's kind of a moot question for me since we don't have gas here (only propane) but just curious. This is actually propane too. 330,000 BTU Starite. I never really looked into it. I got the heater for free. My wife has 7 heated pools at the country club and they are using heat pumps. They have huge bills. Reply: I run a solar heater on my pool and have a floating blanket to keep it warm. Blanket not really needed in the mid summer most of the time. Used to have a gas heater. Natural gas and the little needle on the meter looked like the front end of Cessna when I heated my pool via the gas heater. Only did it twice for parties. Neighbor heated his pool one may to get an extra couple weeks on the start of the season. $450 gas bill and that was 25 years ago. |
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Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:34:44 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:20:01 -0500, wrote: I have a gas pool heater, I know how much gas it takes to heat water. I don't use the heater.. Have you analyzed the cost of a gas pool heater vs high efficiency reverse cycle electric? It's kind of a moot question for me since we don't have gas here (only propane) but just curious. This is actually propane too. 330,000 BTU Starite. I never really looked into it. I got the heater for free. My wife has 7 heated pools at the country club and they are using heat pumps. They have huge bills. Reply: I run a solar heater on my pool and have a floating blanket to keep it warm. Blanket not really needed in the mid summer most of the time. Used to have a gas heater. Natural gas and the little needle on the meter looked like the front end of Cessna when I heated my pool via the gas heater. Only did it twice for parties. Neighbor heated his pool one may to get an extra couple weeks on the start of the season. $450 gas bill and that was 25 years ago. I used my electric heater one cold November to heat the pool for some out of town friends for a week. The electric bill was almost $400 higher than normal. This was only 5-6 years ago and I was only "adding" 15º! |
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http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold-
Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. his week’s cold weather has dropped local water temperatures into the mid-60s, prompting the cold-sensitive endangered species to swim in large numbers up the Caloosahatchee River to the Florida Power & Light warm-water discharge in the Orange River, the site of Lee County’s Manatee Park, east of Fort Myers. “I was at Manatee Park yesterday, and there were no manatees, and today, wow, they’re stacked up,” Capt. Denis Grealish of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission said Friday. “Herds of manatees are heading up river at a fast clip.” With that many manatees on the move, and with good boating weather forecast for the weekend, chances of collisions with boats increase dramatically. So far this year, boats have killed 11 manatees in Lee County waters." "...In a typical year, 25 percent of all manatee deaths are caused by boat strikes, but 2010 has not been typical. Through October, 65 of the state’s 668 manatee deaths were caused by boats (9.7 percent); 244 manatees (36.5 percent) died from cold stress, most as a result of January’s record cold water temperatures. As dozens of manatees took advantage of the warm Florida Power & Light discharge Friday, dozens of visitors took advantage of the marine mammal spectacle at Manatee Park. |
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On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. |
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Tim wrote:
http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. his week’s cold weather has dropped local water temperatures into the mid-60s, prompting the cold-sensitive endangered species to swim in large numbers up the Caloosahatchee River to the Florida Power& Light warm-water discharge in the Orange River, the site of Lee County’s Manatee Park, east of Fort Myers. “I was at Manatee Park yesterday, and there were no manatees, and today, wow, they’re stacked up,” Capt. Denis Grealish of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission said Friday. “Herds of manatees are heading up river at a fast clip.” With that many manatees on the move, and with good boating weather forecast for the weekend, chances of collisions with boats increase dramatically. So far this year, boats have killed 11 manatees in Lee County waters." "...In a typical year, 25 percent of all manatee deaths are caused by boat strikes, but 2010 has not been typical. Through October, 65 of the state’s 668 manatee deaths were caused by boats (9.7 percent); 244 manatees (36.5 percent) died from cold stress, most as a result of January’s record cold water temperatures. As dozens of manatees took advantage of the warm Florida Power& Light discharge Friday, dozens of visitors took advantage of the marine mammal spectacle at Manatee Park. Damn Global Warming! |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, HarryK wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. He feeds the wild animals around his house human food. That tells you what kind of person he is. He feels good about doing something that is actually harming the wildlife. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, HarryK wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. He feeds the wild animals around his house human food. That tells you what kind of person he is. He feels good about doing something that is actually harming the wildlife. He doesn't understand that he is turning his property into killing ground. We stopped feeding the birds due to the fact that our female Beagle kept catching and killing the birds. Also, our yard is now a no squirrel zone, when the other squirrels saw one of their own being caught and eaten by the same female Beagle they got the idea that our yard was not the place to be. Our chipmunk family living under our front steps was resolved by the foxes. One chipmunk is a snack but a whole family of chipmunks is a meal. And, our neighborhood has no stray cats either. The foxes have taken care of that problem. If you are truly concerned about the animals you would not put out food where it does not naturally occur nor water where it is not naturally found. All yo are doing is creating a buffet for the local predators. |
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On 12/4/10 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. Both my wife and I enjoy watching the little creatures, and I don't believe any of the crap they say about not feeding the wildlife. The animals don't care, why should you? |
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On 12/5/10 10:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , says... On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. He feeds the wild animals around his house human food. That tells you what kind of person he is. He feels good about doing something that is actually harming the wildlife. He doesn't understand that he is turning his property into killing ground. We stopped feeding the birds due to the fact that our female Beagle kept catching and killing the birds. Also, our yard is now a no squirrel zone, when the other squirrels saw one of their own being caught and eaten by the same female Beagle they got the idea that our yard was not the place to be. Our chipmunk family living under our front steps was resolved by the foxes. One chipmunk is a snack but a whole family of chipmunks is a meal. And, our neighborhood has no stray cats either. The foxes have taken care of that problem. If you are truly concerned about the animals you would not put out food where it does not naturally occur nor water where it is not naturally found. All yo are doing is creating a buffet for the local predators. The hawks and owls in our neighborhood do their jobs taking care of the smaller rodents. We provide food and water for passing birds, the neighborhood squirrels, foxes, raccoons, and possums. These show up on occasion and there's no evidence they are attacking each other. The squirrels are pests, but there is no way you can put out birdseed in feeders without having squirrels around, too. The foxes are our favorites; they are beautiful animals. The raccoons are cute and clever. We live on the edge of a large wooded area. The critters are abundant here. A few of them come by, and the ones that do are recognizable. We have limited interaction with them, and in all the years we have lived here, they have not been "pests." The only pests in our immediate neighborhood are the various religious proselytizers who come knocking uninvited at the front door from time to time. We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. |
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In article , says...
On 12/5/10 10:50 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. He feeds the wild animals around his house human food. That tells you what kind of person he is. He feels good about doing something that is actually harming the wildlife. He doesn't understand that he is turning his property into killing ground. We stopped feeding the birds due to the fact that our female Beagle kept catching and killing the birds. Also, our yard is now a no squirrel zone, when the other squirrels saw one of their own being caught and eaten by the same female Beagle they got the idea that our yard was not the place to be. Our chipmunk family living under our front steps was resolved by the I thought that you just said that posts involving religion shouldn't be posted here. |
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On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Our pet Maine coon cat, for example, a kitty we rescued from the outdoors, decided in one day he never wanted to go outdoors again. If he is near a door that leads to the outside and it is opened, he runs in the other direction. This is a tough cat, by the way, who is very strong with great teeth and claws. Though he is just a cat, he knows he's got it made with us, and has no need for a short, dangerous life outside. One of our neighbors down the street had a pretty Springer spaniel they allowed out in their fenced yard. The dog dug his way out, to "experience nature," as you termed it, and was found dead by the side of a nearby road two days later. What he experienced was getting hit by a car or truck. No thanks. |
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:50:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, HarryK wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. He feeds the wild animals around his house human food. That tells you what kind of person he is. He feels good about doing something that is actually harming the wildlife. He doesn't understand that he is turning his property into killing ground. We stopped feeding the birds due to the fact that our female Beagle kept catching and killing the birds. Also, our yard is now a no squirrel zone, when the other squirrels saw one of their own being caught and eaten by the same female Beagle they got the idea that our yard was not the place to be. Our chipmunk family living under our front steps was resolved by the foxes. One chipmunk is a snack but a whole family of chipmunks is a meal. And, our neighborhood has no stray cats either. The foxes have taken care of that problem. If you are truly concerned about the animals you would not put out food where it does not naturally occur nor water where it is not naturally found. All yo are doing is creating a buffet for the local predators. Can we trade dogs for a few days? Mine can't seem to catch a squirrel. |
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On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Do you count yourself as one of the morons with guns? If no, why not? I was driving to the movie theater last night and there was an 8 point buck dead in the middle of a divided 4 lane road. It is a common site. And, it is due to the lack of management of the deer herds. Our pet Maine coon cat, for example, a kitty we rescued from the outdoors, decided in one day he never wanted to go outdoors again. If he is near a door that leads to the outside and it is opened, he runs in the other direction. This is a tough cat, by the way, who is very strong with great teeth and claws. Though he is just a cat, he knows he's got it made with us, and has no need for a short, dangerous life outside. Our cat, the offspring of a barn cat enjoyed the hunt. He spent most of his days out chasing down rabbit, moles and birds. But, in the end he turned into an indoor cat. It seems that his abusive ways caught up with him when he could no longer beat up the younger cats in the neighborhood. The younger cats took to sitting on our front steps looking in our side lights for our cat. One of our neighbors down the street had a pretty Springer spaniel they allowed out in their fenced yard. The dog dug his way out, to "experience nature," as you termed it, and was found dead by the side of a nearby road two days later. What he experienced was getting hit by a car or truck. Our male Beagle is an escape artist. When he escapes he can be a mile down the road in minutes. If he gets hit, he gets hit. He is after all an animal. The female Beagle knows she has a good thing and she will bark and whine when the male escapes but, she won't step off of our property unless she is on a leash. No thanks. |
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Yo Greg!
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On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Our pet Maine coon cat, for example, a kitty we rescued from the outdoors, decided in one day he never wanted to go outdoors again. If he is near a door that leads to the outside and it is opened, he runs in the other direction. This is a tough cat, by the way, who is very strong with great teeth and claws. Though he is just a cat, he knows he's got it made with us, and has no need for a short, dangerous life outside. One of our neighbors down the street had a pretty Springer spaniel they allowed out in their fenced yard. The dog dug his way out, to "experience nature," as you termed it, and was found dead by the side of a nearby road two days later. What he experienced was getting hit by a car or truck. No thanks. Sounds like you raise your cats like your parents raised you, sitting in the house all day far away from the dangerous world. |
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On 12/5/10 1:23 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Do you count yourself as one of the morons with guns? If no, why not? I don't shoot animals. |
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On 12/5/10 1:16 PM, wrote: On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:13:58 -0500, wrote: I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. Both my wife and I enjoy watching the little creatures, and I don't believe any of the crap they say about not feeding the wildlife. The animals don't care, why should you? As long as you are honest that you are just doing this for your own enjoyment there is no problem. Just do not think you are helping the animals. My mother had birds that she fed all the time too. I think the saddest scene I have seen was her pet white egret, standing outside her door after she died. If he can't find someone else to feed him, he may be joining her soon. He had totally forgotten how to fish and there may not really even be a suitable place for him to fish around there. Most people who feed sea birds are feeding them an unnatural diet that will hasten their death anyway. You are responding to the id spoofer, greg. As long as you and the little woman get your jollys altering the lifestyles of the forest creatures for your own twisted pleasure, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, right? It doesn't matter who Greg responded to, his message was to you. You should pay attention. -- Ziggy® |
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On 12/5/2010 11:13 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 12/4/10 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. Both my wife and I enjoy watching the little creatures, and I don't believe any of the crap they say about not feeding the wildlife. The animals don't care, why should you? If you are going to ID spoof someone who can write, you probably shouldn't write like a moron, moron. :) |
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In article , says...
On 12/5/10 1:23 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Do you count yourself as one of the morons with guns? If no, why not? I don't shoot animals. That's what you say but, we have no way to verify it. |
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On 12/6/10 6:31 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 12/5/10 1:23 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 12/5/10 12:32 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... We don't allow our housepets outside. The only time they go outdoors is on an annual or other trip to the veterinarian. Why are you denying your animals the ability to experience nature. Or, have they told you they like sitting at the window watching the world go by just like prisoners do? Our pets live long, happy, healthy lives, without concern over their next meal, or where to stay warm and dry, and safe from being hit by cars on nearby roads or shot by morons with guns. The roads down here are littered with the carcasses of deer, raccoons, dogs, foxes, cats, et cetera. Do you count yourself as one of the morons with guns? If no, why not? I don't shoot animals. That's what you say but, we have no way to verify it. If you broke into our house some night and brought your dog with you, the dog would still be alive. |
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On 12/6/2010 6:14 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/5/2010 11:13 AM, HarryK wrote: On 12/4/10 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:14:15 -0500, wrote: On 12/4/10 5:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:17 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.news-press.com/article/20...ion-from-cold- Theyr'e on the move Greg. Yep -to the power plant. I was at the DEP office Friday for my water quality QA and I talked to one of the biologists. She says when they do necropsy in the winter they are finding manatee with undigested grass still in their throats. The literally freeze while they are eating if they venture away from the power plant. If they stay there they starve. Yeah we are really "saving them". The crime is heating the water. Gee, on that note, I suppose I should ask my wife to shut off the "birdbath" water heater she runs outdoors all winter, so that passing birds have unfrozen water to drink. I suppose it all depends on if you support the endangered species act. That says you should not intentionally be interrupting or altering natural migration patterns with human activity. Both my wife and I enjoy watching the little creatures, and I don't believe any of the crap they say about not feeding the wildlife. The animals don't care, why should you? If you are going to ID spoof someone who can write, you probably shouldn't write like a moron, moron. :) You are replying to the ID spoofer. |
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