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Wayne.B November 13th 10 12:40 AM

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:28:55 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

All the more reason to increase battery bank capacity.

!,500AH-1,600AH would be a good match to take advantage of that 200A
output.


We have no problem figuring out where to put the 200 amps when
underway.

The inverter pulls down about 80 to 100 amps powering the fridge,
freezers and nav computers.

Recharging the inverter batts from the previous night can use 20 to
100 amps.

House loads from nav gear, auto pilot, lights, radios, radar, engine
room blowers, etc., can take another 30 amps.




Wayne.B November 13th 10 01:02 AM

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:26:03 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:25:30 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



Do you have a USCG Master's license? Do you possess an intimate
understanding of the Rules of the Road? I do.


I do, too..... and I wouldn't dare own or operate a boat without
sufficient insurance coverage. ESPECIALLY, commercially....

I can only assume a few things:

One, you don't own a boat large enough to be kept in dry or wet
storage. If you did, you'd be required by the marina to carry
insurance...or

Second, you have no assets and no real concern of liability.... can't
squeeze blood from a turnip....or

Third, you are so fabulously wealthy that not even an accident and
subsequent fuel spill wouldn't faze you....or

Fourth, most likely, you are infallible and inviolably lucky.....


Number 2 is spot on.


Lew Hodgett[_6_] November 13th 10 01:54 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote:

We have no problem figuring out where to put the 200 amps when
underway.

-------------------
Get back to me in a couple of years.

Your boat's electrical system is not the same as a transit bus;
however, you are applying bus design requirements to your boat.

Bottom line:

You simply can't have too big a house bank on a boat.

A fact of battery life often forgotten is that for every 100AH taken
out of a battery, you must replace it with 125AH.

The maintained recharge rate of a house bank is 15%.

IOW, the max sustained recharge rate for 1,000 AH bank is about 150A.

You can take all the games regulator people try to promote and put
them where the moon doesn't shine.

When it comes to wet cell batteries, there is no free lunch.

Have fun.

Lew



L G[_2_] November 13th 10 02:57 AM

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YukonBound wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:25:30 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



Do you have a USCG Master's license? Do you possess an intimate
understanding of the Rules of the Road? I do.


I do, too..... and I wouldn't dare own or operate a boat without
sufficient insurance coverage. ESPECIALLY, commercially....

I can only assume a few things:

One, you don't own a boat large enough to be kept in dry or wet
storage. If you did, you'd be required by the marina to carry
insurance...or

Second, you have no assets and no real concern of liability.... can't
squeeze blood from a turnip....or

Third, you are so fabulously wealthy that not even an accident and
subsequent fuel spill wouldn't faze you....or

Fourth, most likely, you are infallible and inviolably lucky.....



If I have the right guy... he owns a 27' mustard yellow Coronado
sailboat c/w mauve interior that he keeps moored back in a swampy
backwater in Florida.
He has no fears because no one would bother to sue him for that boat
or his postman's pension.


Nice job improving the group, dummy!

Bob November 13th 10 08:05 AM

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Hello:

*To that end
we've installed a 2,000 watt inverter and a bank of 8 golf cart
batteries with a total capacity of about 1,000 amp-hours.


* Peak alternator loads can easily approach 250 amps and average
well over half of that.


There are some downside issues however: *


and fortunately
the front pulley on a Detroit 6-71 can accomodate up to three belts.
In testing it has put out well over 200
amps while maintaining reasonable temperatures. *


Stay tuned for the long term durability reports... * * :-)


Most older homes had a 100 amp load center. For the last 30 years a
200 load center (braker panel) is the residential standard. I rewired
my home 10 years ago and the union journyman electrition installed a
200 amp panel. The home was 2600 sq ft..

With the greatest respect. Why would you need MORE amps than the
common 2600 sq ft home ?

Id think at that point it would make more since to install a dedicated
hard wired diesel powered generator.

When you start taking parts of a 71 series Detroit Id think you would
have realized your trying to get an elephant to ballance on a
football.
Yours truely,
Bob






cavelamb November 13th 10 08:52 AM

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...


You're going in the wrong direction. Using a huge battery bank kept charged
by a heavy-duty alternator is still going to be inadequate for spoiled motor
cruisers who really want a house with all the comforts of home that floats
and goes from place to place.

So, forget the huge battery bank and get one of these instead. (Save your
auxiliary engines for moving the floating home from place to place.)

https://secure.cascadesierrasolution...hp?prodId=0020


These tripacs are the cat's meow. They provide heat, air conditioning,
battery charging all in one compact package. You see more and more of them
on over-the-road tractor/trailers.

"The TriPac APU provides
? cab heating and air conditioning
? truck engine block heating
? truck battery charging
? 12Von-board power
? optional 120V household electrical power

"The system is powered by a diesel engine, running an automotive style 12V
alternator and belt driven air conditioning compressor. The APU HVAC system
is independent of the truck system. Cab heat is provided by a fuel-fired
heater, and engine block heat is provided by exchanging coolant between the
APU engine and the truck engine."


I hope this helps.


Wilbur Hubbard




Other than the 420 pounds (and $9800) - sweet!


--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site:
www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb


cavelamb November 13th 10 08:54 AM

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"HarryK" wrote in message
...
On 11/12/10 1:47 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
. ..
In . octanews.com,
llid says...
Are they approved for marine use? Can you operate them in an enclosed
engine room or do you have to hang it off the gunwale?


You'd have to duct it and exhaust it to the outside via cowlings and
forced
air but it would provide the electricity to do that, no problem. As for
some
government, marine use approval, who cares? It's high time the
government
took a hike out of our everyday personal lives with their red tape. A
commercial boat is one thing, a private yacht is another thing
entirely.
Your insurance company cares.



I don't do insurance. Never have, never will. Insurance is a giant
rip-off.
Just go downtown in most any big city and some of the biggest, most
expensive buildings will be banks and insurance companies. That should
give
you a clue as the giant swindle that is called insurance. If you wish to
swell their coffers so be it but I will not.


Wilbur Hubbard
(self-insured)


Are you "self-insured" for liability, too?




Yes. That's one of the good things about being self-insured. Ridiculous,
million-dollar lawsuits for stubbed toes and the like are not worth filing
so they are not forthcoming. Other, more serious things can be and should be
anticipated and eliminated. Safe boating is no accident. Insurance very
often CAUSES accidents. How many times have you heard some insured idiot say
something like, "I don't really care about that; that's why I have
insurance," and off he goes engaging in the same, old, dangerous routine.
Insurance is socialism and socialism doesn't work.


Wilbur Hubbard.





Ok, what have you done with the real Wilbur?


--

Richard Lamb
email me:

web site:
www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb


cavelamb November 13th 10 08:55 AM

The Ultimate Alternator Project
 
Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote:

We have no problem figuring out where to put the 200 amps when
underway.

-------------------
Get back to me in a couple of years.

Your boat's electrical system is not the same as a transit bus;
however, you are applying bus design requirements to your boat.

Bottom line:

You simply can't have too big a house bank on a boat.

A fact of battery life often forgotten is that for every 100AH taken
out of a battery, you must replace it with 125AH.

The maintained recharge rate of a house bank is 15%.

IOW, the max sustained recharge rate for 1,000 AH bank is about 150A.

You can take all the games regulator people try to promote and put
them where the moon doesn't shine.

When it comes to wet cell batteries, there is no free lunch.

Have fun.

Lew




Point, match, set...

--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site:
www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb


YukonBound November 13th 10 12:00 PM

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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

YukonBound wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:25:30 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



Do you have a USCG Master's license? Do you possess an intimate
understanding of the Rules of the Road? I do.


I do, too..... and I wouldn't dare own or operate a boat without
sufficient insurance coverage. ESPECIALLY, commercially....

I can only assume a few things:

One, you don't own a boat large enough to be kept in dry or wet
storage. If you did, you'd be required by the marina to carry
insurance...or

Second, you have no assets and no real concern of liability.... can't
squeeze blood from a turnip....or

Third, you are so fabulously wealthy that not even an accident and
subsequent fuel spill wouldn't faze you....or

Fourth, most likely, you are infallible and inviolably lucky.....



If I have the right guy... he owns a 27' mustard yellow Coronado
sailboat c/w mauve interior that he keeps moored back in a swampy
backwater in Florida.
He has no fears because no one would bother to sue him for that boat
or his postman's pension.


Nice job improving the group, dummy!


Donnie seems to keep getting a pass...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!


A pass at what?
I've was called names half a dozen times yesterday by the group
dysfunctional..... and no one says boo about it.
Maybe he's one of your aliens................. ~~ snerk ~~


JustWaitAFrekinMinute! November 13th 10 12:56 PM

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On Nov 13, 7:00*am, "YukonBound" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org...





In article ,
says...


YukonBound wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:25:30 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


Do you have a USCG Master's license? Do you possess an intimate
understanding of the Rules of the Road? *I do.


I do, too..... and I wouldn't dare own or operate a boat without
sufficient insurance coverage. ESPECIALLY, commercially....


I can only assume a few *things:


One, you don't own a boat large enough to be kept in dry or wet
storage. If you did, you'd be required by the marina to carry
insurance...or


Second, you have no assets and no real concern of liability.... can't
squeeze blood from a turnip....or


Third, you are so fabulously wealthy that not even an accident and
subsequent fuel spill wouldn't faze you....or


Fourth, most likely, you are infallible and inviolably lucky.....


If I have the right guy... he owns a 27' mustard yellow Coronado
sailboat c/w mauve interior that he keeps moored back in a swampy
backwater in Florida.
He has no fears because no one would bother to sue him *for that boat
or his postman's pension.


Nice job improving the group, dummy!


Donnie seems to keep getting a pass...


--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!


A pass at what?
I've was called names half a dozen times yesterday by the group
dysfunctional..... *and no one says boo about it.
Maybe he's one of your aliens................. *~~ snerk ~~- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Quit your crying and join the group... no excuses...


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