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OK...who has been playing with the buttons?
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:29:35 -0500, W1TEF
wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:18:10 -0800 (PST), Jack wrote: On Nov 11, 2:31*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:41:16 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: Read the article... Saw dozens of reports, experts "on both sides" and I believe myself it was "message" from some axis power saying "see, we can sit in your back yard and you didn't even know we were there". That's why it went due west. Interesting conspiracy theory but if fails the Occam's Razor test which basically says that the simplest explanation is more likely to be correct. * The two most plausible (and simple) explanations are that it was indeed a jet contrail observed from an unusual angle; or two, that it was a classified US govt misile launch which take place fairly often in coastal California. *One of my old high school friends is alleged to participate in that sort of thing (if they actually exist). * :-) I had a friend from my high power rocket days that is actually a "rocket scientist". A few years ago he showed me some pictures of a mobile Scud Launcher, with Scud, that is sitting complete right here in the US. Was brought over intact and completely functional. At the time it's existence and location was classified, so he couldn't tell me where it was. A couple of pictures later was a shot of an interstate entrance sign with a city in the background. He just smiled... wasn't too far from where I live. Point is that the gov does stuff like this all the time. Classified launches, denial of existence, etc. If the general public knew what was actually going on, most would probably freak out. Wayne, Mike, Scott, Jack, harry. et.al., With all due respect, this conspiracy stuff is bull feathers as my maternal Grandfather used to say in polite company and drives me nuts. Yes, there are "secret" launches of different types of spy sats and one time and one time only launches for scientific or other specific purposes. However, these aren't normal launches in the sense that they stick a satellite on a repurpossed Trident or Posiden ICBM and launch it 35 miles off the coast of Los Angeles from a submarine or carrier or frigate or barge. They are usually midnight launches far away from cities or announced launches with cooperation from Eurosat in French Guiana, Vanderburg or somewhere in the desert. The payloads are never discussed or hidden behind the phrase "a Navy, Air Force - whatever" mission. Secondly, a quick launch spy sats are usually done from aircraft believe it or not. That's because they are small and don't require a lot of launch capacity for two reasons: one time use and VLO (Very Low Orbit) trajectories. They are only intended to stay up for two, maybe three passes in the very tipitty top upper reaches of the atmosphere and then they burn up on reentry. And they have the extra added advantage of being chucked up in space relatively close to their targets so they don't waste a pass. When I was involved with AMSAT back in the ARRL days, we had OSCAR sats bumped several times from Ariane rockets for "undisclosed" reasons. So there's that. :) With respect to "seeing Scott pick his nose from space" - no, that capability does not exist unless they are using a high altitude plane and ever then there is incredible distortion - you have to have absoutely clear air to get a decent resolution. A picture taken at 100,000 feet will only resolve to 1 mile altitude at best. The best picture from any spy satellite is only resolved to an altitude of 5 miles on a clear day with high pressure atmosphere above the target. While Scott does have a rather huge honker, its highly unlikely that one can see him pick it from a mile away. :) So, as Wayne said - it's Occum's Razor. Time and place and circumstances dictate it's a contrail. Sorry - I'm feeling particularly fiesty today. :) Vandenberg. |
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