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Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Might be $150 a year more if I remember what I'm paying now right. Obvious differences a My HMO was dropped and replaced with a PPO. No visit co-pay or cost for preventative care, saving me $50. Yearly $500 deductible per person added. Looks like the drug plan doesn't pay as much, but I'm not sure. Didn't see my last GP on the provider list. I don't care about him, since I only saw him once after my long-term GP left that clinic. Followed that doc when the clinic moved a few miles further but now I'll find a closer one, since this PPO has many more providers than the HMO. What's the same is wife's OBY/GYN is on the provider list, and so is the hospital I like, and which I'll make sure my new GP will be associated with. What's better is no referral needed to see a specialist. No lifetime or yearly coverage limit. But a specialist will probably hit my deductible now. We normally only see the docs for yearly checkups and don't use drugs so if that continues there's no real cost increase. If one of us maxes a deductible it's a 10% increase in my cost. If both do it that's a 20% increase. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. The PPO was a bit cheaper - maybe 10% my cost - than the HMO in 2010, and looks to cost about the same now. But the law specifies no dollar coverage limits now, and includes children to age 26, no pre-existing for children, etc. This is all from a once over and I can't see all details until I enroll on-line on the 18th. I expect the cost trend to stabilize, then begin to decline, since the insurance and med industries are catching heat. Looks like Obama/Reid/Pelosi is doing to them what Reagan did to PATCO. As the sainted Ronald Reagan put it, PATCO was a ""peril to national safety." The same warning has been laid down for the med/insurance industries. Obama has filled Reagan's shoes and then some. Lot harder to bust the insurance/med industries than a union. Good. They'll find out you can't squeeze blood from turnips. Otherwise they'll be replaced by foreign scabs willing to work for less. Jim - hehe. |
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On Oct 7, 7:34*pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing Count yourself as stupid. |
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:08:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing Count yourself as stupid. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like an inappropriate response. Yes, it's off topic. Yes, it contradicts your personal political views. But, if you *really* want to engage in an off topic dialog with someone of different views, why not keep it civil? Reasonable people can agree to disagree (unless you really are Harry, of course). |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:08:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing Count yourself as stupid. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like an inappropriate response. Yes, it's off topic. Yes, it contradicts your personal political views. But, if you *really* want to engage in an off topic dialog with someone of different views, why not keep it civil? Reasonable people can agree to disagree (unless you really are Harry, of course). He's welcome to his opinion, but not to his own facts. Feel free to disagree. I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. |
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On 10/8/10 8:52 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:08:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing Count yourself as stupid. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like an inappropriate response. Yes, it's off topic. Yes, it contradicts your personal political views. But, if you *really* want to engage in an off topic dialog with someone of different views, why not keep it civil? Reasonable people can agree to disagree (unless you really are Harry, of course). He's welcome to his opinion, but not to his own facts. Feel free to disagree. I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. Bingo. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message m...
On 10/8/10 8:52 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:08:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing Count yourself as stupid. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like an inappropriate response. Yes, it's off topic. Yes, it contradicts your personal political views. But, if you *really* want to engage in an off topic dialog with someone of different views, why not keep it civil? Reasonable people can agree to disagree (unless you really are Harry, of course). He's welcome to his opinion, but not to his own facts. Feel free to disagree. I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. Bingo. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals Why don't you two get a room. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID. The magnificent Boatless Harry |
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Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Might be $150 a year more if I remember what I'm paying now right. Obvious differences a My HMO was dropped and replaced with a PPO. No visit co-pay or cost for preventative care, saving me $50. Yearly $500 deductible per person added. Looks like the drug plan doesn't pay as much, but I'm not sure. Didn't see my last GP on the provider list. I don't care about him, since I only saw him once after my long-term GP left that clinic. Followed that doc when the clinic moved a few miles further but now I'll find a closer one, since this PPO has many more providers than the HMO. What's the same is wife's OBY/GYN is on the provider list, and so is the hospital I like, and which I'll make sure my new GP will be associated with. What's better is no referral needed to see a specialist. No lifetime or yearly coverage limit. But a specialist will probably hit my deductible now. We normally only see the docs for yearly checkups and don't use drugs so if that continues there's no real cost increase. If one of us maxes a deductible it's a 10% increase in my cost. If both do it that's a 20% increase. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. The PPO was a bit cheaper - maybe 10% my cost - than the HMO in 2010, and looks to cost about the same now. But the law specifies no dollar coverage limits now, and includes children to age 26, no pre-existing for children, etc. This is all from a once over and I can't see all details until I enroll on-line on the 18th. I expect the cost trend to stabilize, then begin to decline, since the insurance and med industries are catching heat. Looks like Obama/Reid/Pelosi is doing to them what Reagan did to PATCO. As the sainted Ronald Reagan put it, PATCO was a ""peril to national safety." The same warning has been laid down for the med/insurance industries. Obama has filled Reagan's shoes and then some. Lot harder to bust the insurance/med industries than a union. Good. They'll find out you can't squeeze blood from turnips. Otherwise they'll be replaced by foreign scabs willing to work for less. Jim - hehe. Your employer negotiated a good deal. Obama's abortion of a health care plan has nothing to do with it. |
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:52:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. Frankly I don't think you know me well enough to call me a hypocrite. The world is not black and white, left and right, just a lot of shades of gray in between. Reasonable people can agree to disagree. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:52:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. Frankly I don't think you know me well enough to call me a hypocrite. The world is not black and white, left and right, just a lot of shades of gray in between. Reasonable people can agree to disagree. Krause has become distraught over the fact that this just isn't going away until he learns to behave. Folks have let him run amok here for 15 years. Enough is enough. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID. The magnificent Boatless Harry |
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On Oct 8, 10:30*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:52:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the right with such pronouncements. Frankly I don't think you know me well enough to call me a hypocrite. The world is not black and white, left and right, just a lot of shades of gray in between. *Reasonable people can agree to disagree. And there's nothing to disagree on. I stated the facts based on a real-world situation, and we've heard that this is being repeated across the coutry with small companies everywhere. The facts just make certain people uncomfortable. Too bad. |
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On Oct 9, 10:15*am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34*pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. |
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On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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On Oct 9, 11:05*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, *wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, *wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? |
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On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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On Oct 9, 11:18*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular *wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, * *wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, * *wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless. So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads, and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating. Bye, boatless harry. |
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On 10/9/10 11:33 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless. So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads, and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating. Bye, boatless harry. I won't be "boating" until later this month, jackoff. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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"Jack" wrote in message ...
On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless. So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads, and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating. Bye, boatless harry. Krause was forced to sell the little boat. He couldn't stand the ridicule it brought him. His sugar mommy bought him a new, presumably larger, boat. I wonder if she keeps it in her name? -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID. The magnificent Boatless Harry |
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Jack wrote:
On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing We'll see. For me the premium increase is minor, considering there is now no dollar limit to coverage. Googling seems to indicate the *average* premium increase is estimated at 8-12%. Seems in line with my "potential" increase. I say "potential" because the info I received only shows "employee" and "family" whereas I've previously had "employee + 1." If that category still exists my premiums might actually be less. For now we only have anecdotes like yours and mine. The real *average* won't be known for a few months. When health care is a crap shoot some roll snake eyes. Your only options are to go to work where health insurance premiums are cheaper, or work politically to overturn "Obamacare." Health care is less "free market" than even auto insurance or cable TV. They have you by the balls. "Obamacare" or not, premiums will rise to cover ER visits by the uninsured. The real answers to the problem are obvious, and have been for years. Redesign the health care system to a model used by one of the other developed countries which cover all and do it better and cheaper. But America is backward, riddled with special interests buying pols, and a limited class of voters. What's needed is to break the physician, hospital, medical supply, drug supply and insurance company unions, like Reagan did with PATCO. But those unions have bought off the Dem and Rep pols, so it will be tough. Ultimately that's the only way to make health care affordable for all. The bleeding heart lefties have convinced way too many people that nobody should die of cancer at 35 because they can't pay for care, or lose their house and end up on the streets when they need a stint to survive. Go figure. But there might still be a chance to overturn "Obamacare" and go back to what we had before though. We'll see. Jim - Playing the health care hand I was dealt. |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:57:25 -0500, Jim wrote:
Health care is less "free market" than even auto insurance or cable TV. We fired our cable company and went to satellite. Auto insurance seems to have lots of competetion these days, and even boat insurance is getting better/cheaper. |
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BAR wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Her company may be self insured and set their own rates. |
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Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? Your Husqvarna tractor is certainly more on-topic, eh? |
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Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? Radar is important when you are a whole mile offshore, WAFA. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
Harry® wrote:
wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless. So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads, and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating. Bye, boatless harry. Krause was forced to sell the little boat. He couldn't stand the ridicule it brought him. His sugar mommy bought him a new, presumably larger, boat. I wonder if she keeps it in her name? The LT is gone? |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
On Oct 9, 12:05*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:33 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular *wrote: On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular * *wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, * * *wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, * * *wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Then go boating today. *Oh, you can't. *You are boatless. So again, why are you here? *You don't contribute to boating threads, and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating. Bye, boatless harry. I won't be "boating" until later this month, jackoff. Just in time to shrink-wrap it for 6 months. Nice. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message ... On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
"Aggravated" wrote in message ...
"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message ... On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out. If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID. The magnificent Boatless Harry |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
On 10/10/2010 4:00 PM, Harry® wrote:
wrote in message ... "Secular wrote in message ... On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out. If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though. Announcing when a boat is to be "delivered" is not the same as "leaking out" details, is it? If he takes delivery on October 21st, you still won't know anything about the boat. Your buddy Harry said no details would be posted here. I'd bet on it. |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:11:27 -0400, Jim wrote:
Your buddy Harry said no details would be posted here. I'd bet on it. And frankly, not too many people care. |
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Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
On 10/10/10 6:54 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... Radar is important when you are a whole mile offshore, WAFA. Harry doesn't boat at night or in the fog. He wouldn't know how to read a radar to save his life. You are so, so wrong, Bertiepoop. BTW, how many years has it been since you owned a boat? Or should the question be, have you ever owned a boat? -- I'm not a warlock…I'm…you! |
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"Jim" wrote in message ...
On 10/10/2010 4:00 PM, Harry® wrote: wrote in message ... "Secular wrote in message ... On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out. If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though. Announcing when a boat is to be "delivered" is not the same as "leaking out" details, is it? If he takes delivery on October 21st, you still won't know anything about the boat. Your buddy Harry said no details would be posted here. I'd bet on it. Depends on how you define details. He's already mentioned some outfitting details. Watch for much more to come. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID. The magnificent Boatless Harry |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote: In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered. In the current bill, the following are the most immediate benefits. Please identify which ones you don't like. No denial for pre-existing conditions for kids. Small business tax credits (actual small business - fewer than 50 people). Close the senior's donut hole. Young people can stay on parent's policy until 26. No life-time caps on insurance. Adults with pre-existing conditions are covered. Insurance plans must cover preventative care without co-pays. No recissions (insurance companies can't cut you if you get sick). Insurance companies must reveal the percentage they spend on overhead. New plans must have an appeals process for claim denials. New tax on indoor tanning service (note to John Boehner). New procedures for identifying fraud and waste. Medicare will be expanded to rural hospitals with small numbers of patients. Non-profit Blue Cross orgs will be required to maintain an 85% medical loss ratio to take advantage of IRS tax benefits. Chain restaurants are required to reveal caloric content of their fast-food meals (esp.) Better coverage for early retirees to help reduce costs for those between 55 and 64. Better consumer info on the web (e.g., figuring out insurance options). Up to $1B investment in new therapy research. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
Harry® wrote:
wrote in message ... On 10/10/2010 4:00 PM, Harry® wrote: wrote in message ... "Secular wrote in message ... On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote: On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote: In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats? You're boatless, so why are you here? Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals. Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long time...why is he here? -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out. If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though. Announcing when a boat is to be "delivered" is not the same as "leaking out" details, is it? If he takes delivery on October 21st, you still won't know anything about the boat. Your buddy Harry said no details would be posted here. I'd bet on it. Depends on how you define details. He's already mentioned some outfitting details. Watch for much more to come. Sure. Images lifted from google - again. |
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On Oct 11, 1:46*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote: In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered. But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out and someone else will have to clean up that mess. |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote: In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered. But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out and someone else will have to clean up that mess. Jack, Jack.... the Dems certainly didn't do all they could, but the antagonists were certainly the Republicans, who have blocked and continue to block every single bit of meaningful legislation related to health care and jobs. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote: In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered. But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out and someone else will have to clean up that mess. I notice you didn't answer my question... here it is again: In the current bill, the following are the most immediate benefits. Please identify which ones you don't like. No denial for pre-existing conditions for kids. Small business tax credits (actual small business - fewer than 50 people). Close the senior's donut hole. Young people can stay on parent's policy until 26. No life-time caps on insurance. Adults with pre-existing conditions are covered. Insurance plans must cover preventative care without co-pays. No recissions (insurance companies can't cut you if you get sick). Insurance companies must reveal the percentage they spend on overhead. New plans must have an appeals process for claim denials. New tax on indoor tanning service (note to John Boehner). New procedures for identifying fraud and waste. Medicare will be expanded to rural hospitals with small numbers of patients. Non-profit Blue Cross orgs will be required to maintain an 85% medical loss ratio to take advantage of IRS tax benefits. Chain restaurants are required to reveal caloric content of their fast-food meals (esp.) Better coverage for early retirees to help reduce costs for those between 55 and 64. Better consumer info on the web (e.g., figuring out insurance options). Up to $1B investment in new therapy research. |
Health Care Enrollment - Looks good
On Oct 11, 8:23*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message .... On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote: In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d- , says... On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote: Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the mail, and a provider lookup. Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010. Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check. Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout. Jim - hehe. Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of- pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark. Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans. Jack - not laughing I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers. I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200 per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year. Obviously we go with my insurance. Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer even offering policies to companies under 100 employees. So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered. But, we don't. *The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that currently has health insurance. *The Dems, idiots they are, addressed the issue and screwed the pooch. *They'll now get properly thrown out and someone else will have to clean up that mess. Jack, Jack.... the Dems certainly didn't do all they could, but the antagonists were certainly the Republicans, who have blocked and continue to block every single bit of meaningful legislation related to health care and jobs. The ones who were locked out of the process, who at the time didn't have the votes to change or stop it? Those Republicans? Em, you are too easy. This one rests squarely on the dims. Buh-bye. |
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