US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the
Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne
until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former
members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind
obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian
fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of
copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.

The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around
the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go
ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate
provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But
they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one
thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small
church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own
books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions
anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World
Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation
of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical
movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive
mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the
Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several
occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is
that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian
Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last
year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out,
because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan
Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been
suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the
congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to
be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he
says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones'
behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as
having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the
Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for
money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of
the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring
sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts.
"Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the
activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are
obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually
considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of
"spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged
church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a
distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates
Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently
considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother,"
while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian
revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By
the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people.
They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable
institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very
poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former
associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to
"pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his
sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to
attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry
Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them
for his own cause," says Schäfer.

By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him
and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused
to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow
preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US.
"The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active
members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of
copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who
is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the
"immense loss of power and significance."


from der spiegel

On Sep 10, 8:23*pm, Secular Humorist
wrote:
US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the
Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne
until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former
members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind
obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian
fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of
copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.

The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around
the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go
ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate
provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But
they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one
thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small
church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own
books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions
anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World
Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation
of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical
movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive
mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the
Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several
occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is
that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian
Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last
year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out,
because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan
Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been
suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the
congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to
be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he
says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones'
behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as
having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the
Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for
money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of
the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring
sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts.
"Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the
activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are
obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually
considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of
"spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged
church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a
distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates
Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently
considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother,"
while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian
revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By
the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people.
They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable
institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very
poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former
associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to
"pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his
sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to
attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry
Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them
for his own cause," says Schäfer.

By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him
and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused
to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow
preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US.
"The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active
members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of
copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who
is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the
"immense loss of power and significance."

from der spiegel

Well, Muslim Extremists DO burn US, and Canadian flags, among others.
Maybe I'll burn a Koran, and put it on You Tube. I could wear a Snotty
Skunk Head Mask, while riding a Yellow Back Larry Mannequin.

On 9/10/2010 6:54 PM, *e#c wrote:
On Sep 10, 8:23 pm, Secular
wrote:
US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the
Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne
until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former
members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind
obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian
fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of
copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.

The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around
the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go
ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate
provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But
they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one
thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small
church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own
books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions
anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World
Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation
of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical
movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive
mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the
Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several
occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is
that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian
Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last
year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out,
because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan
Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been
suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the
congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to
be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he
says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones'
behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as
having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the
Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for
money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of
the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring
sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts.
"Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the
activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are
obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually
considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of
"spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged
church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a
distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates
Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently
considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother,"
while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian
revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By
the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people.
They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable
institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very
poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former
associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to
"pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his
sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to
attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry
Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them
for his own cause," says Schäfer.

By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him
and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused
to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow
preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US.
"The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active
members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of
copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who
is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the
"immense loss of power and significance."

from der spiegel

Well, Muslim Extremists DO burn US, and Canadian flags, among others.
Maybe I'll burn a Koran, and put it on You Tube. I could wear a Snotty
Skunk Head Mask, while riding a Yellow Back Larry Mannequin.

Bet someone will. Them Obama will have Google and YouTube censored.
Although I think of it as childish, I was kind of hoping Jones would go
through with it to show is constitutional right of freedom.

He has apparently received some pretty good death threats according to
some news sites. Doesn't look like Obama is too concerned about his own
citizens safety these days.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...eir_lives.html

Sorry, Muslims don't just burn bibles which is a close anolog, I would
post the people they burn in the name of Islam but it is disturbing.

BTW, the protests they did burn effugies, flags -- hopefully the spooks
were watching as it would have been a good list of Hamas, Taliban and
other nut bars.
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Is government working for you, or are you working for the government?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 9/10/2010 6:54 PM, *e#c wrote:
On Sep 10, 8:23 pm, Secular
wrote:
US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the
Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne
until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former
members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind
obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian
fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of
copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.

The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around
the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go
ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate
provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But
they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one
thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small
church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own
books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions
anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World
Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation
of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical
movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive
mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the
Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several
occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is
that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian
Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last
year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out,
because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan
Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been
suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the
congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to
be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he
says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones'
behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as
having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the
Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for
money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of
the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring
sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts.
"Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the
activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are
obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually
considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of
"spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged
church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a
distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates
Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently
considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother,"
while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian
revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By
the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people.
They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable
institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very
poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former
associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to
"pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his
sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to
attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry
Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them
for his own cause," says Schäfer.

By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him
and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused
to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow
preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US.
"The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active
members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of
copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who
is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the
"immense loss of power and significance."

from der spiegel

Well, Muslim Extremists DO burn US, and Canadian flags, among others.
Maybe I'll burn a Koran, and put it on You Tube. I could wear a Snotty
Skunk Head Mask, while riding a Yellow Back Larry Mannequin.

Bet someone will. Them Obama will have Google and YouTube censored.
Although I think of it as childish, I was kind of hoping Jones would go
through with it to show is constitutional right of freedom.

He has apparently received some pretty good death threats according to
some news sites. Doesn't look like Obama is too concerned about his own
citizens safety these days.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...eir_lives.html

Sorry, Muslims don't just burn bibles which is a close anolog, I would
post the people they burn in the name of Islam but it is disturbing.

BTW, the protests they did burn effugies, flags -- hopefully the spooks
were watching as it would have been a good list of Hamas, Taliban and
other nut bars.
--
Is government working for you, or are you working for the government?

Obama is after YOU! Don't be fooled.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:20:36 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Bet someone will. Them Obama will have Google and YouTube censored.

no doubt you think that because he's black and, you think, a muslim.


He has apparently received some pretty good death threats according to
some news sites. Doesn't look like Obama is too concerned about his own
citizens safety these days.

anybody know what this means? the white president bush incarcerated
american citizens for years without trial and without counsel. but he
was white.

obama has done none of this, but the racist right thinks he'll destroy
the constitituion


BTW, the protests they did burn effugies, flags -- hopefully the spooks
were watching as it would have been a good list of Hamas, Taliban and
other nut bars.

we hav the taliban in this country too. they're called the 'eagle
forum', the 'world news daily', conservative christians, etc.