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Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand.
Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. Jim - Shysters and Loogys everywhere. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. Jim - Shysters and Loogys everywhere. I think she's worth reading... at least one of the the books. As long as you remember it's fiction and not an economic prescription, they're fine. |
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On 7-Sep-2010, Jim wrote: Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. |
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Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. Jim - Shysters and Loogys everywhere. Go call someone's wife and say nasty things to her, again. |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:32:40 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 7-Sep-2010, Jim wrote: Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. Bedwetters? You must be referring to the beneficiaries of our public largess, the guys at Goldman Sachs and BP. I heard they're hurting because they'll have trouble getting new sails this year and fueling up has become quite spendy. You one of them? |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 7-Sep-2010, Jim wrote: Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:07:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in the Clinton administration. What else? |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:32:40 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 7-Sep-2010, Jim wrote: Somebody posted here saying to read Ayn Rand. Don't be a fool. 'Nuff said. 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. ayn rand wrote pablum for the intellectually challenged who believe the easter bunny is real |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:07:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in the Clinton administration. What else? Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general, and gut social programs to promote their ill-advised, Ayn Rand-like philosophy of the free market uber alles. Do your own research or get your head out of the sand? Where have you been for the last decade? Have you picked up a newspaper? The Iraq war cost us over $1T and counting. Ill advised? How about criminally negligent. If you want to blame a former president, start with Reagan. And, you're probably going to tell me next that the last crowd of Republicans are going to make things better by doing the same thing they did last time they were in power. What else. |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general I've never heard anyone say that, right, left, or middle of the road. You are regurgitating the talking points of the left without adding any substance. |
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On 8-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. When the concepts implied in the writings were in place, the U.S. was growing exponentially, uneducated millions were making good wages and all were successful. Now (since the 70's) handouts from the productive minority (who are now gone) have taken priority, and the masses have to move back to concrete housing complexes. Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:04:29 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke. productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer. |
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On 8-Sep-2010, Wayne.B wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in the Clinton administration. What else? One way trade agreements that bled all productivity from the U.S., initiated by Clinton with the most favorite nation status, and NAFTA, originally promoted by Bush 1. The maniacs however all blame W because they want higher welfare checks and didn't think it might happen until the current jackass took office. It WON'T happen (lowest income rate goes up 50% on January 1, 2011) now either, but the mindless worship will continue. The key word is mindless. |
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On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. ayn rand wrote pablum for the intellectually challenged who believe the easter bunny is real Which book do you disagree with? Oh.....well....guess there wasnt time, but "I heard on MSNBC.........." Hahahahahahahha Reading cures stupidity. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:07:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in the Clinton administration. What else? Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general, and gut social programs to promote their ill-advised, Ayn Rand-like philosophy of the free market uber alles. Do your own research or get your head out of the sand? Where have you been for the last decade? Have you picked up a newspaper? The Iraq war cost us over $1T and counting. Ill advised? How about criminally negligent. If you want to blame a former president, start with Reagan. And, you're probably going to tell me next that the last crowd of Republicans are going to make things better by doing the same thing they did last time they were in power. What else. Where is that objective "stated"? |
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On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke. productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer. Productivity has nothing to do (usually) with labor hours. Automation and imported materials (such as in the autos you buy) decrease costs; cost has nothing to do with price, productivity increases as prices remain the same or increase with the lower cost or labor consumption. Less resources are used during output, revenue is maintained and profits increase. Increased productivity has nothing to do with factory rats working harder. In fact, technology and imports made labor irrelevant. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:24:30 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke. productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer. Productivity has nothing to do (usually) with labor hours. you're missing the point, as usual. you keep pretending the middle class should reap NO benefits at all from the economy, save slave labor wages. AND you keep pretending the rich, by virtue of being rich, DO contribute something to the economy. go ahead....prove it. Automation and imported materials (such as in the autos you buy) decrease costs; cost has nothing to do with price, productivity increases as prices remain the same or increase with the lower cost or labor consumption. Less resources are used during output, revenue is maintained and profits increase. Increased productivity has nothing to do with factory rats working harder. In fact, technology and imports made labor irrelevant. gee. tell it to the mexicans |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:12:28 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. ayn rand wrote pablum for the intellectually challenged who believe the easter bunny is real Which book do you disagree with? Oh.....well....guess there wasnt time, but "I heard on MSNBC.........." Hahahahahahahha Reading cures stupidity. obviously you've never read a book in general, or ayn rand in particular |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general I've never heard anyone say that, right, left, or middle of the road. You are regurgitating the talking points of the left without adding any substance. It is classic disaster capitalism, and was openly stated by several in the previous administration, e.g., Paul Wolfowitz. Read Naomi Wolf's The Shock Doctrine and get back to us. You don't read enough, apparently. |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 8-Sep-2010, Wayne.B wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in the Clinton administration. What else? One way trade agreements that bled all productivity from the U.S., initiated by Clinton with the most favorite nation status, and NAFTA, originally promoted by Bush 1. The maniacs however all blame W because they want higher welfare checks and didn't think it might happen until the current jackass took office. It WON'T happen (lowest income rate goes up 50% on January 1, 2011) now either, but the mindless worship will continue. The key word is mindless. Well, wait a sec. You're a maniac and you don't blame W. |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 8-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: 99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it would interrupt Dancing for Dollars. There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. When the concepts implied in the writings were in place, the U.S. was growing exponentially, uneducated millions were making good wages and all were successful. Now (since the 70's) handouts from the productive minority (who are now gone) have taken priority, and the masses have to move back to concrete housing complexes. Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke. You're the slime in this conversation. |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:25:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:07:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't given up. I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. American imperialism in the mid-east to the tune of 3 trillion, giveaways to the rich to the tune of 1 trillion. Rabid support of the push for least cost labor that's undermined the US economy and the entire middle class. Need more? |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:56:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general I've never heard anyone say that, right, left, or middle of the road. You are regurgitating the talking points of the left without adding any substance. It is classic disaster capitalism, and was openly stated by several in the previous administration, e.g., Paul Wolfowitz. Read Naomi Wolf's The Shock Doctrine and get back to us. You don't read enough, apparently. I have always tried to keep the wolves from the door, fairly successfully I might add. It seems strange to me that anyone advocating the destruction of the economy and the middle class wouldn't have gotten more publicity. Perhaps you are misinterpreting? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:56:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general I've never heard anyone say that, right, left, or middle of the road. You are regurgitating the talking points of the left without adding any substance. It is classic disaster capitalism, and was openly stated by several in the previous administration, e.g., Paul Wolfowitz. Read Naomi Wolf's The Shock Doctrine and get back to us. You don't read enough, apparently. I have always tried to keep the wolves from the door, fairly successfully I might add. It seems strange to me that anyone advocating the destruction of the economy and the middle class wouldn't have gotten more publicity. Perhaps you are misinterpreting? I guess you never heard of the neocons who were running this country for the last couple of decades? Their stated plan is to bankrupt the federal government and make over the country based on their twisted notion of free market uber alles. http://www.slate.com/id/2231268/ |
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"I am Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:56:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Oh come on Wayne... the neocons stated objective is to destroy the middle class and the economy in general I've never heard anyone say that, right, left, or middle of the road. You are regurgitating the talking points of the left without adding any substance. It is classic disaster capitalism, and was openly stated by several in the previous administration, e.g., Paul Wolfowitz. Read Naomi Wolf's The Shock Doctrine and get back to us. You don't read enough, apparently. I have always tried to keep the wolves from the door, fairly successfully I might add. It seems strange to me that anyone advocating the destruction of the economy and the middle class wouldn't have gotten more publicity. Perhaps you are misinterpreting? She probably got it from Olbermann or Matthews.. They often start questions or interviews with lies like that, it's just what political activists do. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! You probably get your news from Beck/Palin. When is the former and the republican leadership going to stand up and say no to book burning? |
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On 9-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: It seems strange to me that anyone advocating the destruction of the economy and the middle class wouldn't have gotten more publicity. Perhaps you are misinterpreting? I guess you never heard of the neocons who were running this country for the last couple of decades? Their stated plan is to bankrupt the federal government and make over the country based on their twisted notion of free market uber alles. You were correct - he gets this kind of rant from the idiot box. This is what happens when you have no useful skills or education. |
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On 8-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: One way trade agreements that bled all productivity from the U.S., initiated by Clinton with the most favorite nation status, and NAFTA, originally promoted by Bush 1. The maniacs however all blame W because they want higher welfare checks and didn't think it might happen until the current jackass took office. It WON'T happen (lowest income rate goes up 50% on January 1, 2011) now either, but the mindless worship will continue. The key word is mindless. Well, wait a sec. You're a maniac and you don't blame W. By himself, no - there's been no one in the executive branch (except Cheney) worth the office since Truman said "bomb the *******s." Congress has long been an embarassment - it truly reflects the population. |
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On 8-Sep-2010, jps wrote: I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. American imperialism in the mid-east to the tune of 3 trillion, giveaways to the rich to the tune of 1 trillion. Rabid support of the push for least cost labor that's undermined the US economy and the entire middle class. Need more? Take an English class (EASL??) - those were simply vague accusations. - Unless, by actions, are you referring to rightard Clinton's most favored nation status for red China or NAFTA? |
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On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Productivity has nothing to do (usually) with labor hours. you're missing the point, as usual. you keep pretending the middle class should reap NO benefits at all from the economy, save slave labor wages. OK, I agree with you - your elected government should control your wages - how much should you be paid? How much should you pay for an automobile, a toaster, cheap wine and lottery tickets? |
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On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Which book do you disagree with? Oh.....well....guess there wasnt time, but "I heard on MSNBC.........." Hahahahahahahha Reading cures stupidity. obviously you've never read a book in general, or ayn rand in particular Perhaps I should read Buckwheat's books? |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:50:14 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Productivity has nothing to do (usually) with labor hours. you're missing the point, as usual. you keep pretending the middle class should reap NO benefits at all from the economy, save slave labor wages. OK, I agree with you - your elected government should control your wages - how much should you be paid? How much should you pay for an automobile, a toaster, cheap wine and lottery tickets? uh no. the govt has been gutted WRT worker rights. few countries in the western world are as anti-labor as the US. companies and their stockholders control wages. stockholders aren't middle class. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:51:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Which book do you disagree with? Oh.....well....guess there wasnt time, but "I heard on MSNBC.........." Hahahahahahahha Reading cures stupidity. obviously you've never read a book in general, or ayn rand in particular Perhaps I should read Buckwheat's books? is that what your klan buddies call him |
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On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: OK, I agree with you - your elected government should control your wages - how much should you be paid? How much should you pay for an automobile, a toaster, cheap wine and lottery tickets? uh no. the govt has been gutted WRT worker rights. few countries in the western world are as anti-labor as the US. companies and their stockholders control wages. stockholders aren't middle class. You've been touting "the government" to control wages and "get" you a raise. Employers control wages, based on supply and demand. If it's not the company, and not the government, then who? C'mon, it's your premise. |
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On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I should read Buckwheat's books? is that what your klan buddies call him ??? I'm not a democratic "member" of congress. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:16:19 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: OK, I agree with you - your elected government should control your wages - how much should you be paid? How much should you pay for an automobile, a toaster, cheap wine and lottery tickets? uh no. the govt has been gutted WRT worker rights. few countries in the western world are as anti-labor as the US. companies and their stockholders control wages. stockholders aren't middle class. You've been touting "the government" to control wages and "get" you a raise. uh no. i've been touting regulating the market so that CDO's and other economy destroying instruments aren't possible. i've been touting tax increases for the rich who've seen their incomes skyrocket. i have been touting better regulation of union busting policies that companies use to destroy middle class bargaining IF the middle class had SOME power we'd be better off you simply don't understand how the economy works Employers control wages, based on supply and demand. no, they dont. they control wages based on how much they want to pay their CEO and rich stockholders. the proof of this is that's where all the money went in the last 40 years your right wing bull**** and mythology doesn't stand up to the evidence |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:17:16 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I should read Buckwheat's books? is that what your klan buddies call him ??? I'm not a democratic "member" of congress. there are few democrats in the south. you're not too bright, are you? |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 9-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: It seems strange to me that anyone advocating the destruction of the economy and the middle class wouldn't have gotten more publicity. Perhaps you are misinterpreting? I guess you never heard of the neocons who were running this country for the last couple of decades? Their stated plan is to bankrupt the federal government and make over the country based on their twisted notion of free market uber alles. You were correct - he gets this kind of rant from the idiot box. This is what happens when you have no useful skills or education. Seems to me that Wayne is a lot smarter than you, and he has a lot more skill in his pinky finger than you do in your entire body. |
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